Bong smoke vs normal smoke?

[Rio Fantastic]

Hey, I have a question. I'm a cigarette smoker, and when I smoke cigarettes when I exhale the smoke I can see it all. I only smoke weed from a bong, but when I exhale I can't see most of the smoke. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong?

Thanks

 

[Taryth]

Any device which diffuses or filters the smoke (a bong for example) will cause the smoke to be less dense. This is because the more harmful elements of the smoke are being removed. With a vaporizer, you'll only get a thin, blueish haze. With a bong, you get substantial smoke, but nothing compared to a joint or a pipe.

Smoking from a water pipe, bong, vaporizer, etc. is much easier on your body.

 

[Dankycodone]

More the filtration less the smoke so yeah just like Taryth said it. Vaporizers are the healthiest then a bong then a joint then a blunt i would say. There were studies done that say bong and joint are equally bad for you but i think thats bullshit.

 

[respect authority]

I've also found (which is a little disturbing to really think about) that sometimes if you hold in a huge bong hit for a while, when you exhale much less smoke will come out than went in haha. Probably not doing great things for your lungs... but hey, it's a hobby!

 

[Temeraroius]

I've also found (which is a little disturbing to really think about) that sometimes if you hold in a huge bong hit for a while, when you exhale much less smoke will come out than went in haha. Probably not doing great things for your lungs... but hey, it's a hobby!

The only reason that happens is because the smoke mixes evenly with the excess air in your lungs. It is impossible to fill your lungs with smoke completely. It could also be due to the smoke cooling if you are smoking outside (aka the air u exhale is cooler and produces less steam).

 

[drug_mentor]

Depends on the size of your hit, I have noticed this when I could only take smaller hits and also the longer you hold it the less smoke there is. Once you can start smoking a bong properly you will exhale more smoke than you would ever see someone exhale from a cigarette.

 

[xclusiv]

The filters actually work on MW (molecular weight), and most other elements found in weed or on the leaves are DEFINITELY denser and have a higher MW than the THC molecule itself, which makes smoking weed through a filtration device kind of nifty, since you will end up with THC minus a lot of the other stuff. If one looks at Graham's Law of diffusion, one will see that molecular weight is taken into account. Here is a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_law

 

[dzarren]

But there's been a study done where they see that water filters out an amount of THC as well. It filters out alot of carcinogens but also some THC. In fact the carcinogen to THC ratio is even smaller compared to a joint or pipe or blunt. I mean if you smoke out of a pipe or joint, your actually getting more THC per volume of smoke than you would from a bong. So actually if you inhale the exact same amount of smoke from a joint as you would from a bong you'd actually get higher from the joint. You just get so much higher with bongs because they cool the smoke allowing you to toke a shitload more than you could with a joint.

So I think that actually you do slightly more damage to your body smoking out of a bong than a joint. Carcinogen wise.

I didn't explain that properly. For simplicity's sake let's say joint smoke has a 1:1 THC to carcinogen ratio. The water from a bong filters out some carcinogens but even more THC so youve got a smoke that has a smaller THC to carcinogen ratio.

Sorry I can't find where I first read this.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I've also found (which is a little disturbing to really think about) that sometimes if you hold in a huge bong hit for a while, when you exhale much less smoke will come out than went in haha. Probably not doing great things for your lungs... but hey, it's a hobby!

I would notice that too especially when I'd smoke icy bong hits.

 

[Rio Fantastic]

But there's been a study done where they see that water filters out an amount of THC as well. It filters out alot of carcinogens but also some THC. In fact the carcinogen to THC ratio is even smaller compared to a joint or pipe or blunt. I mean if you smoke out of a pipe or joint, your actually getting more THC per volume of smoke than you would from a bong. So actually if you inhale the exact same amount of smoke from a joint as you would from a bong you'd actually get higher from the joint. You just get so much higher with bongs because they cool the smoke allowing you to toke a shitload more than you could with a joint.

So I think that actually you do slightly more damage to your body smoking out of a bong than a joint. Carcinogen wise.

I didn't explain that properly. For simplicity's sake let's say joint smoke has a 1:1 THC to carcinogen ratio. The water from a bong filters out some carcinogens but even more THC so youve got a smoke that has a smaller THC to carcinogen ratio.

Sorry I can't find where I first read this.

Anyone with knowledge of general level chemistry can easily figure out that THC has extremely low solubility in water. Solubility has a lot to do with inter-molecular force (van der Wall's forces of attraction), and can be generally determined by the rule "like dissolves like." Water is a polar molecule held together largely by a molecular force known as hydrogen bonding, the most powerful inter-molecular force second to ion-dipole attraction. Hydrogen bonding describes the repeating bonding chain of Flourine, Nitrogen, or Oxygen atoms with Hydrogen atoms. The H2O molecule easily rotates to accomplish this when bonding, forming very long chains of O-H-O-H etc bonds. Things are soluble in water because they likewise form hydrogen bonds, and those bonds are strong enough to break H2O-H2O bonds and suspend the solute molecule in H2O solvent solution. However, the chemical composition of THC negates any kind of solubility it would have in water.

The composition of THC is C21H30O2, and its structure is formed by long hydrocarbon chains. These chains consist of hydrogen atoms bonded to carbon atoms, and due to hydrogen's 1s1 valence shell arrangement, it cannot accept any new bonds, nor can it form a hydrogen bond with a carbon atom in the chain. There are 2 oxygen molecules, but neither are in proper position for a hydrogen bond. This leads to the chemical conclusion of why THC is not soluble in water. While it is polar and has significant London dispersion (inter-molecular forces), no hydrogen bonding exists and thus the "like dissolves like" rule cannot be fulfilled.

And, in case you are curious and still reading, there is a chemical reasons for why bongs fuck you up so much harder than pipes and joints. The first is the polar force of H2O. When marijuana is burned, it decomposes into about 200 chemicals, and when passed through water, they decompose again into about 200 more chemicals, for a total of 400. This disassociation allows the molecules to bond much more easily with the inside of the lungs (due to their smaller size and willingness to bond) and thus more THC "sticks." Another reason has to due with gas laws and the effect of temperature on the smoke.

According to Charles' Law, volume/temperature= a constant, and when temperature decreases, so does volume. Therefore, when the smoke passes through water and over hopefully over ice, it condenses, thus fitting more chemicals into a smaller space (I can explain the reason for that too, but it's a different story). This means that more chemicals are inhaled.

And finally, the last gas law relating to a bong is the effect of temperature on gas solubility. Since molecular motion is slowed by the decrease in temperature, molecules have a much better chance at sticking to the walls of the lungs. I have asked myself the molecular reasons behind bongs more than once, and I hope this was of interest and answered once and for all the question of THC and its solubility in water.

http://www.adamish.com/weird/howtouseabong.php

 

[oxx]

Any device which diffuses or filters the smoke (a bong for example) will cause the smoke to be less dense. This is because the more harmful elements of the smoke are being removed.

The exhailed bong smoke is actually less dense due to the large volume of clean air you suck in before you start getting smoke to your mouth.

 

[Arobskittle]

The exhailed bong smoke is actually less dense due to the large volume of clean air you suck in before you start getting smoke to your mouth.

you don't inhale that, you draw like you would a straw and clear the bong with a fresh breath when the smoke gets to your lips. if you breathed in the whole hits volume before your hit then you would have to breath 2x the volume of air to take a hit.

 

[Newbierock]

^ Thats how you do it buddy, over here we do it all in one toke. You slowly pull it to the top and then rip it as hard as you can until it stops burning. (thats england btw)

 

[Arobskittle]

It is all one breath but you arent actually inhaling the shit before the smoke, its more of a suction dealio....

 

[oxx]

It is all one breath but you arent actually inhaling the shit before the smoke, its more of a suction dealio....

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but if you're trying to attribute the noticeably thinner smoke to being filtered through water, you're mistaken.

 

[Arobskittle]

No! Thats not what im trying to say

i am saying when you fill a bong up with smoke, the air you took out to allow the smoke to go in is not inhaled. You dont even need to breathe in when filling the bong, when its then full you take your hit, and breath into the lungs.

SO YOUR HITS ARE JUST AS DENSE AS THEY ARE MADE

 

[oxx]

You dont even need to breathe in when filling the bong, when its then full you take your hit, and breath into the lungs.

I guess I've never used a bong this way.

If you don't suck in, what causes the difference in pressures causing the flame/smoke to enter the bowl/chamber? Are you talking about a bucket bong?

 

[Arobskittle]

No, not a bucket. You create negative pressure with your tongue, like when you draw through a straw. After the smoke reaches your lips, a tiny breath of fresh air and an exhale to prep for the full bong-load of smoke coming in. Its not sucking but creating negative pressure with your mouth, like your tongue is the plunger in a syringe. It pulls the smoke into the bong with very little effort on your part, almost like a waterfall....

 

[xabalba]

i dont no bout anybody else but i only smoke weed not normal cigarettes i find that i cant draw back on normal smokes i find the smoke to harsh but i can draw back on weed its smoother

 

[phatass]

you're not taking big enough hits