Karma, real or a way for the weak too "get even"

[Xevy]

I have no faith in Karma at all. The idea isnt based around any conclusive evidence at all. I think it can even be wrong to think that someone who dies young but have been evil in a past life.

I wonder static_mind, could you in your own words tell us what the word karma means to you? When you say you have no faith in karma, what is it that you have no faith in?

You say its based on no 'conclusive evidence', yet if you have read my posts in this thread you will see that what karma describes in Buddhism is certainly observable.

 

[Heuristic]

What you are unaware of, turns against the self, or harms others when expressed out-whether consciously or unconsciously.

However, the core of ourselves has a spiritual base, in that what organized religion tries to convey and fails loudly,
since the unconscious does not express itself in an ordinary language, and hence most people miss the point when they try to understand it, but
so disillusioned at religion and the meaning of it or its role.

The same way that we speak of humility and pride. The deeper core of the self, it is of a spiritual basis, and hence humility
is its essence and substance, which comes through that. As we reach the surface, when we have not integrated our outer self (the ego), where pride is a large portion
of it, is where karma forms.The inner part is placid, where as the outer, protective, aggressive, self interested and self survival oriented.

Hence karma, is of how the ego part of ourselves which executes the thoughts out into actions and of the decisions we chose to act out upon,
gathers momentum as karma, when the core is not involved in it when humility is lacking in our actions.

So according to this conception, there is an inner and outer self. When you speak of karma, you refer to the consequences of conflict between the inner and outer self?

What exactly do you mean by the inner self and the outer self?

 

[Xevy]

So according to this conception, there is an inner and outer self. When you speak of karma, you refer to the consequences of conflict between the inner and outer self?

What exactly do you mean by the inner self and the outer self?

I would also be curious to know this.

Livinginthemoment, is this a definition of karma that you have created yourself? If not, which tradition(s) use karma in this manner, I am not familiar with it. Certainly you are free to believe whatever you want, I am simply curious whether this is an established use of karma, as it certainly is not the standard Sanskrit meaning.

 

[Nutswir]

People who get treated wrong deserve it cause they allow themselves to be in a vurnable spot and choose to eat the same cake over and over again untill it gets old and the taste becomes natural

 

[tylerwashere]

i dont know if i necesarrily believe in karma because i dont think it's thats simple. If you do good things good things happen to you, if you do bad things bad things happen to you. I personally try to do the right thing, but im faaar faaar from even being close to perfect. I try and do good, be kind to others, not be selfish, etc. not because i think bad things will happen to me if i don't, but because of the feeling i get when i help someone, and to avoid the feeling i get when i fuck someone over, etc. idk, jmho

 

[LivingInTheMoment]

So according to this conception, there is an inner and outer self.

When you speak of karma, you refer to the consequences of conflict between the inner and outer self?

What exactly do you mean by the inner self and the outer self?

I am trying to translate it so that it can be understood, but I fail to make it flow at times. Let me give it another attempt.

The inner core of the self, is the authentic self; normally there is an easy flow towards the outer/surface part of self where there is the structure of the functional ego, where it deals with the outer world. It forms the structure of the character of the person, however the structure formation is based according to the actions, thoughts and inhibitions to which we live ourlives upon. It is within the structure of the character, where there is a lot of character flows. Karma having formed within this stracture-which acts either out or in upon the self.

We gather karma formation here. Inner self, meaning the core (selfhood/person) and outer self meaning the funtioning part of the ego in life and society (ego). On most people, there is a split or huge gap between the two, where as in normal functioning there is a flow toward the surface, yet the inner self and outer self are of different constitution and quality..
It is in regards to the dark-side/shadow aspect of human beings. That it is to be accepted and integrated. When the shadow elements are accepted, integrated and healed, they cease to be in the dark. Reactions like hate and greed would vanish because the ignorance holding them in place would be replaced with self-awareness. So in that sense the shadow or negative sideare those basic elements of our personality that were previously dysfunctional and repressed.The strength and energy of that part of us that was previously cut off from us that needs to be brought back into alignment with our higher purpose. So yes, in regards to the conflicts that you mentioned, of our character, what we have repressed/split and thrown into the so called shadow which act out and in the dark. When we work on working through and integrating the shadow, we work with what we turn into awareness and make better choices and judgments for a greater good. Did I expand a little here, or am I ruminating?

(Huristic, I'm sorry, since I am not feeling too good these last few days, I realized some of the posts I made within this time, don't translate well-and what I am trying to convey!
Today, I could not even understand myself one of the posts I made last night-I don't know how anyone could have if they read that one! I corrected it today)

Tell me if the above explanation makes it clearer will you please? ...But try to place some thinking of your own with what I have given, just so that you can help me out!

If this is any clearer, let me know if not, let me know too!
(just take mercy on me (heaven knows why you should do that), geez i have let you have it so many times(though at times it has been just for fun or playfully-and other times you deserved it :D...well..in my books ), you have been sweet really, considering! )) Tell me what it is I need to clarify further, and I will reattempt it when I feel better and up to it again, if I have not done so with this! I like your questions, they have validity!
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[LivingInTheMoment]

I would also be curious to know this.

Livinginthemoment, is this a definition of karma that you have created yourself?

If not, which tradition(s) use karma in this manner, I am not familiar with it.

Certainly you are free to believe whatever you want, I am simply curious whether this is an established use of karma, as it certainly is not the standard Sanskrit meaning.

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I have not claimed any sanskrit meanings, but translated into psychological perspective-and this is clear in my post on this! Frankly, I don't claim any belief in after life, in the sense of sanskrit, I believe karma we create in this life, and we suffer in this life out of our actions, which we need to clear, to live a happier life. No I don't make things up myself, but translating karma in a more practical sense-as I have learned the meaning of it ingrained in our psychology and gathering and playing it out in life/.

For karma to exist as in after life, one has to prove that there is one to begin with.
If memory does not exist in the rebirth of a soul into this life, how can there be proof of any existance of karma of this kind? Karma of this sort and rebirth from an after life, makes no sense. We can create philosophies, upon denial of death, or inquiries into the meaning of our existence and hence look into an afterlife and rebirth, but how do we know it exists? Sure it may make things more meaningful, but how can we be certain of this?

So my explanation of a psychological base of karma is related in this life, from the negative and dark side of human nature which exists in every human, and what they do with that in this life. Integration takes place when we work with karma. The saying that children born carry karma to heal-it is in the bodies of their parents as they pass it on in heredity.

 

[tylerwashere]

I do believe in karma to some extent, but i do not believe that children are born with karma of their parents. If a child is born with cerebral palsy is that because the parents have sinned? i dont think so. I do however, believe that evil begets evil, and good begets good.

 

[plot_in_us]

karma obviously exists because we all understand the concept. thats all it takes.
funny thing is, in buddhism, there can also be intervention by the celestial spirits..
in christianity, what we do to others will also be done to us.

 

[LivingInTheMoment]

i dont know if i necesarrily believe in karma because i dont think it's thats simple.

I have not claimed any sanskrit meanings, but translated into psychological perspective-and this is clear in my post on this! Frankly, I don't claim any belief in after life, in the sense of sanskrit, I believe karma we create in this life, and we suffer in this life out of our actions, which we need to clear, to live a happier life. No I don't make things up myself, but translating karma in a more practical sense-as I have learned the meaning of it ingrained in our psychology and gathering and playing it out in life/.

So my explanation of a psychological base of karma is related in this life, from the negative and dark side of human nature which exists in every human, and what they do with that in this life. Integration takes place when we work with karma. The saying that children born carry karma to heal-it is in the bodies of their parents as they pass it on in heredity.

I do believe in karma to some extent, but i do not believe that children are born with karma of their parents. If a child is born with cerebral palsy is that because the parents have sinned? i dont think so. I do however, believe that evil begets evil, and good begets good.

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OK, besides that you conflic through your two posts, I have to say this:
From what I see, you did not understand my concept of karma, as in the unintegrated part of how we psychologically have run our life, and the actions we have taken and out of lack of integrity, which builts as karma in our system.
If we pass our physical accumulations and psychological manifestations onto children, via heredity, then we pass on this unitegrated part on. I don't claim anywhere karma being im my belief system as anything as you claim as SIN!!
Hence you missed my point!