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Nano Thermite found by multiple scientists in WTC dust, peer reviewed reports surface

-The Bush Administration extremely resistant to an investigation of it
-The allegations of the FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who says that the government has been infiltrated by a criminal gang
-That the 7th building collapsed even though it wasn't hit by a plane
-The fact that the 9/11 commission censored itself and failed to answer many questions
-The links between our intelligence agencies and the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in the 80s
-The fact that many people from the Middle East say Bin Laden doesn't exist, supposedly he is like the boogeyman, or Goldstein from 1984.
-Why didn't NORAD catch those planes?
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Heuristic, do you care to respond?
 
He won't respond to any of the damning evidence [like Norm Mineta's testimony] because he's too busy being condescending.
mallow: Once we know who is responsible, collectively we can take our rights back from these criminals. Until we understand who the enemy of the constitution is we can fight them.
 
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YOESH! said:
Why would independent candidates and those who go against the mainstream be so mercilessly shut out of the debates?
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Perhaps because their popular support was so slim as to not justify giving them a space on the stage? I'm just guessing.

YOESH! said:
Did you know that 100 miles inland from the border of the Unites States is a "Constitution free zone?" I didn't come up with that term. Our loving government did. Our loving government, which infected black men with sphillis without telling them and studied them as they died. The same government that brought the sick and twisted Nazi scientists over to work in our own country so that we might benefit from the research they were able to conduct... Much of it on death camp slaves.
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First, no such thing as a "Constitution free zone."

Our government also apologized for the Tuskegee incident (the patients were not treated--not infected--with syphillis, which I agree is horrific and deplorable). The scandal led to numerous investigations by the US government, and numerous laws, organizations, and regulations designed to prevent it from happening again. So far as I can tell, it has not. So the Tuskegee Experiment, while horrible, actually illustrates that the US Government is quite responsive--in more contemporary years--to human rights abuses.

Our government also brought over some German scientists who had previously worked for the Nazis to work on various defense-related projects, specifically those related to rocketry. You can disapprove of that if you wish, but it hardly means that the US Government has done anything close to perpetrating 9/11 on its own people.

YOESH! said:
You think a government that would do that to one nationality of humans wouldn't do the same thing to another?! [referring to Iraqi casualties caused by American forces - Heuristic]
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Yes. Governments don't treat all persons of the world as equals. This is surprising to you? The American government is the agent of the American people.

YOESH! said:
IS NORM MINETA SAYING FROM HIS OWN MOUTH THAT CHENEY GAVE THE STAND DOWN ORDER, NOT ONCE BUT TWICE. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
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Actually Mineta testified that he heard Cheney give the order to SHOOT THE PLANES DOWN. So that there is no misunderstanding, here is the relevant part of Mineta's testimony. Can you at least acknowledge this?

Here is the testimony, taken from http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm

MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --

MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

MR. HAMILTON: The Pentagon, yeah.

MR. MINETA: And so I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in listening to the conversation between the young man and the vice president, then at the time I didn't really recognize the significance of that.

And then later I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes away. And so then, at the time we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then I thought, "Oh, my God, did we shoot it down?" And then we had to, with the vice president, go through the Pentagon to check that out.

MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that plane down.

MR. MINETA: Well, I don't know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.

MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft down.

MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.
 
marsmellow said:
There are lots of other things that make me think it was either an inside job or that they let it happen on purpose:

-The Bush Administration extremely resistant to an investigation of it
-The allegations of the FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who says that the government has been infiltrated by a criminal gang
-That the 7th building collapsed even though it wasn't hit by a plane
-The fact that the 9/11 commission censored itself and failed to answer many questions
-The links between our intelligence agencies and the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in the 80s
-The fact that many people from the Middle East say Bin Laden doesn't exist, supposedly he is like the boogeyman, or Goldstein from 1984.
-Why didn't NORAD catch those planes?
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To take this point by point:

The Bush Administration was reluctant to allow an independent commission to control an investigation into a terrorist attack which occurred on its watch. That said, the Commission DID investigate, quite thoroughly, and the Bush Administration cooperated.

No idea what Sibel Edmonds has to do with this.

WTC7 collapsed after hours of intense fire--after it was already damaged by debris. The collapse itself has been extensively investigated. You can find a very good report on it on the American Society of Civil Engineer's website.

The US did not fund al Qaeda during the 1980s, and we were very obviously friends with neither the Taliban nor al Qaeda during the 90s.

Many people from the Middle East also think that there were no Jews in WTC 1 or 2 on 9/11, and a host of other crazy things. So what?

The manner in which air defense was conducted over continental US airspace that day is extensively detailed in the 9/11 Report.
 
Heuristic said:
To take this point by point:

The Bush Administration was reluctant to allow an independent commission to control an investigation into a terrorist attack which occurred on its watch. That said, the Commission DID investigate, quite thoroughly, and the Bush Administration cooperated.

No idea what Sibel Edmonds has to do with this.

WTC7 collapsed after hours of intense fire--after it was already damaged by debris. The collapse itself has been extensively investigated. You can find a very good report on it on the American Society of Civil Engineer's website.

The US did not fund al Qaeda during the 1980s, and we were very obviously friends with neither the Taliban nor al Qaeda during the 90s.

Many people from the Middle East also think that there were no Jews in WTC 1 or 2 on 9/11, and a host of other crazy things. So what?

The manner in which air defense was conducted over continental US airspace that day is extensively detailed in the 9/11 Report.
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I've had an ex CIA spook admit that we funded Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to fight the soviets in the 80s. It's a well documented fact, dude.

Barry Jennings' testimony conflicts with the official government story about building 7 in multiple ways. Did you watch it?
 
YOESH! said:
I've had an ex CIA spook admit that we funded Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to fight the soviets in the 80s. It's a well documented fact, dude.

Barry Jennings' testimony conflicts with the official government story about building 7 in multiple ways. Did you watch it?
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Okay. My ex CIA spook was station chief Pakistan from 1986-1989. He says we didn't. His name is Milt Bearden. Who is your ex CIA spook?

The author of the pretty extensively researched Ghost Wars also says we didn't.

al Qaeda wasn't formally established until 1988; Bin Laden had received his funding through the Saudis.
 
mad people have been saying this for so long, building 7 was loaded with that stuff. Mainstream news reported it(wtc7) "fell" 20mins b4 it clasped & during this report building 7 was seen un injured in the background.
 
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Thank you for responding Heuristic.

It seems reasonable to me that a planes were the sole reason for the collapse. I got into the whole conspiracy and came out thinking that explosives are unlikely. However,
-the powers that be had every reason to start a war in both Afghanistan (VERY important oil pipeline) and Iraq.
-The government knew of an impending attack. (Fahrenheit 911)
-Funding for anti-terrorist activity was reduced and warnings about Bin Laden were ignored. (Fahrenheit 911)
-PNAC (Public Record)
-The US government worked with and trained Bin Laden. (Public Record)
-The US government funded the Taliban. (Public Record)
 
DrGonzo899 said:
For some reason, these certain conspiracy theorists dont believe that planes loaded with jet fuel can take down buildings...
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Maybe because it's NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN HISTORY. And what about building 7? Was that taken down by a plane filled with jet fuel?


As for Heuristic;
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/10/aclu-assails-10/

You just continue to lie out of your ass, so I am going to start ignoring you. Take it easy, homeboy.
 
mallow: Once we know who is responsible, collectively we can take our rights back from these criminals. Until we understand who the enemy of the constitution is we can fight them.
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I don't know. I think it's a pointless distraction. Basically, I think Alex Jones and the other 9/11 activists are wasting their time and energy. All this effort put into trying to get people to believe in controlled demolition or 9/11 truth or whatever, it could have been better spent working to end torture, illegal spying and detention without trials. I think that would be a lot less futile than pushing a theory like 80% of the population disagrees with.
 
YOESH! said:
http://www.911truth.org/page.php?page=zogby_2006

That zogby poll proves that were are a much larger percentage of the population than the constantly ridiculing mainstream media would have us believe. There are other polls which illustrate similar findings.
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There are several things wrong with what you're presenting here.
First, the source is biased, therefore the veracity is in question.

Second, the method of polling has not been described, and they could simply be calling people from an e-mail list which may have a certain demographic that is sympathetic to their cause.

More importantly, Bush is an incredibly unpopular person right now who is bearing the brunt of blame for many things, some which were beyond his influence. Therefore, the results are skewed, and are subject to the polled person's emotional response, not logical response.

Most importantly, support for a cause means naught when the foundations of the cause are based on paranoia, non-credible information and conjecture. I honestly think that it is a complete waste of time to focus on an unproven past, because nothing will ever come of it other than hatred, fear and isolation from society.
 
Mehm said:
-The US government worked with and trained Bin Laden. (Public Record)
-The US government funded the Taliban. (Public Record)
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The government also funded and worked with Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union during world war two. It doesn't mean they were fast friends in the ensuing decades.

The best part of debunking that point is that you know exactly why the governemnt funded bin laden and the mujaheddin. Neither of those is the taliban, btw.
 
^^the Taliban was given $50 million for successfully eradicating the opium crop circa 1998

Please pay most attention to this bullet point.

-the powers that be had every reason to start a war in both Afghanistan (VERY important oil pipeline) and Iraq.
 
YOESH! said:
As for Heuristic;
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/10/aclu-assails-10/

You just continue to lie out of your ass, so I am going to start ignoring you. Take it easy, homeboy.
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This was your claim:

"Did you know that 100 miles inland from the border of the Unites States is a "Constitution free zone?" I didn't come up with that term. Our loving government did."

1) The government didn't come up with that term. Someone at the ACLU did. Your claim is incorrect.

2) The existence of a border-search exception to the 4th Amendment doesn't render any place in the US a "Constitution free zone."

I note that you were unable to respond to the verbatim reproduction of Mineta's testimony as well.

I suspect that we have exceeded your tolerance for cognitive dissonance. I wish you the best of luck going forward.
 
Bin laden had been trained by the CIA & if the usa wanted to find someone they would have them inside 24hours. Bush & bin laden family have very tight ties from the oil trade but more importantly the heroin trade.
 
Mehm said:
^^the Taliban was given $50 million for successfully eradicating the opium crop circa 1998

Please pay most attention to this bullet point.

-the powers that be had every reason to start a war in both Afghanistan (VERY important oil pipeline) and Iraq.
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Such as the powers that be who worked in WTC 1 and 2, and in the Pentagon? You'd think they would be clever enough to have other targets selected, or have the planes destroyed prior to impact.

There are cheaper ways to obtain access to a pipeline. And the absence or existence of any such pipeline doesn't have either the strategic or economic significance that could motivate a government conspiracy such as the one alleged.
 
Frosty are you saying that the heroin trade is more important than the oil trade? Or only in reference to the Bin Laden/Bush relationship?
 
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