Carnival of psychedelic poultry- PD Silly Goose make out session

[NeuroDr]

also; i will be traveling starting next week. gonna go up the east coast to nyc then across america hitting chicago and montana and washington before going to socal then back across the 40. should be going with a few other freinds.

Hey Ignus, whenever you plan on passin through chi you should hit me up, it would be great to meet up with you in the midst of your cross country adventures!!

Xploit, glad you had a good time at that show friday night, its a small world isnt it

 

[Roger&Me]

My girlfriend and I just adopted another cat today, she'll be living at my girlfriends place. Her name is Catwoman. :D LOL, our other cat that lives at my place is named Beastman. Hopefully, someday, Beastman and Catwoman will be BFF.

 

[swilow]

Withdrawl. Sucks. Begone

 

[NeuroDr]

some for you swilow im sure it'll begone soon enough and you'll feel like a million bucks!

 

[jamaica0535]

The other day I told my dad that I did acid while I was on it and he said "whoa, that stuff is still around?"

my dad knows i have dropped acid before....

found out under not so great circumstances.... in fact my entire dads side of the family knows....

My sister and I wanted to trip one morning over thanksgiving break on this 100 acre property.... I told her not to do it, but she told our god damned cousin what we were doing, she thought we could trust her.... So we wake up early and drop at like 4:30 in the morning to catch the sunrise. So we are just chilling, she is with us and its not like we are tripping fucking balls, i ate like 2 hits and my sister did 1.

This was the day before thanksgiving, once we were done tripping my cousin runs off and tells half of our family what we had just done... No one lets us know until we leave the day after thanksgiving when my aunt and uncle give us both an intervention style talking to. Get my dad involved and all of this crap. We knew she had narc'd us out after we left because our other cousin that we told would not have said anything.

As far as i am concerned she is not my family any more.... You do not fuck up the relationship with half of a persons family by betraying their trust only to be forgiven.... and im not talking like a small family, my dad has like 8 siblings, each of them have many more kids themselves, most of them are religious right wing southern people..... i would say about 30-40 family members found out really quickly....

This November when i see her again, if she says one word to me i am going to tell her to never speak to me again and to stay out of my life....

I am pissed about it, i planned to tell my dad at some point when the time was right but im happy he wasn't pissed.... The only other opinion i really care about in that side of the family is my grandmothers, looking back on things my grandmother was more of a mom than my real mom, because my mom was too busy getting addicted to xanax and hydrocodone and driving my dad to alcoholism.....

 

[amor fati]

Yeah, my parents know that I trip as well. I had a bad phase with benzos and it was pretty apparent to all that were around me. Finally when I took it upon myself to stop taking xanax and other benzos I went to my dad and told him all the drugs that I have taken. He didn't seem to mind the tripping or smoking weed, but he was pretty dissapointed when I told him about the benzos, vicoden, and excessive alcohol. I think him saying that hurt me as much, if not more, than him when I told him about it. I'm glad to have those drugs(mostly) out of my life. I do still drink a bit too much, but I've been doing a good job cutting down recently.

But he didn't even know what ecstasy was, which really surprised me after all those news reports of the "ecstasy epidemic"

 

[NeuroDr]

my parents found out about my tripping/drug use when they decided to come up to school when i was in class and go through my bag. Found 40 hits of acid, .5g of K, and a few bowls...neither of my parents have been drunk, u can imagine how well that went over

 

[Roger&Me]

I almost ruined everything in my life with benzos and opiates; psychedelics showed me the light and gave me my life back. My parents actually asked me once what it was that made me wake up and get my shit together, and I said "LSD." Its the truth as well; I don't even like doing other drugs anymore, really -- especially not benzos, they actually make me feel really bad when I take them now, I can't stand feeling stupid. I like psychedelics because I like to think.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Psychedelics DO have a tendency to replace other drugs in your life. Ever since I've recently started tokin' my deemsters on a semi regular basis, I went from smoking pot all weekend every weekend (and craving it all week), to hitting my pipe on the rare whim. I've probably only been stoned twice this past month.

This November when i see her again, if she says one word to me i am going to tell her to never speak to me again

IMO there's no sense in ceasing communication with your family just because of a mistake in the past. Explain to her that what she did was wrong, forgive her, and move on. Show her what it is to be a truly loving family member...


LOVE to PD!

 

[swilow]

Tap zap bam clap trap map clams. Patter splatter clatter ratter peter patter pan.

 

[Xorkoth]

hello my friends

hope all is well in your world

Hey there sunyata. Welcome to Bluelight and PD!

^ Psychedelics DO have a tendency to replace other drugs in your life. Ever since I've recently started tokin' my deemsters on a semi regular basis, I went from smoking pot all weekend every weekend (and craving it all week), to hitting my pipe on the rare whim. I've probably only been stoned twice this past month.

Yeah they do. They're just so much better in most every way than other drugs. Fewer side effects (unless you're not prepared for them... then they can really do a number on your psyche). So much more satisfying. It's like the hangover comes first and as the drug progresses you feel better and better, and then they leave you feeling fantastic, if perhaps a little drained (but in a good way).

IMO there's no sense in ceasing communication with your family just because of a mistake in the past. Explain to her that what she did was wrong, forgive her, and move on. Show her what it is to be a truly loving family member...

Absolutely agreed. Let her know that was bullshit and a betrayal. But realize that in her misguided mind, she just thought she was helping you, and so did the rest of your family. As far as they knew you were ruining your lives and if they didn't intervene, they wouldn't be doing what was right. Your cousin was probably terrified and worried sick about you.

She's your family, man. Family has to stick together. If you cut her out, then your family will just think she was right all along, that the drugs are changing you for the worse. Turn around and show her love, and do good things with your life, and turn into the best person you can, and show them all that psychedelics can be a good thing. That's what I've done in a similar sort of family situation.

Yeah, my parents know that I trip as well. I had a bad phase with benzos and it was pretty apparent to all that were around me. Finally when I took it upon myself to stop taking xanax and other benzos I went to my dad and told him all the drugs that I have taken. He didn't seem to mind the tripping or smoking weed, but he was pretty dissapointed when I told him about the benzos, vicoden, and excessive alcohol. I think him saying that hurt me as much, if not more, than him when I told him about it. I'm glad to have those drugs(mostly) out of my life. I do still drink a bit too much, but I've been doing a good job cutting down recently.

But he didn't even know what ecstasy was, which really surprised me after all those news reports of the "ecstasy epidemic"

Yeah, my parents found out I did drugs (besides weed, they found that out earlier and weren't TOO concerned) in the first year of college... my best friend told his parents and his parents and mine have been banding together since we were both in second grade, so they told mine. I told them I had tried Ecstacy and they started crying because their impression was that my brain was turning to mush.

Another time after that, we did mushrooms in my parents' house and they found out we were on drugs. The story is here... it's pretty funny/scary. Basically my best friend was holding a bunch of weed and an ounce of mushrooms, and we went outside, and my mom went up and found the stuff. She confiscated the weed, which we got out of the garbage can, and obviously had no idea what the mushrooms were because the weed was under the fungus and she moved that bag aside (split into separate eighths 8)) to get to the weed, and didn't notice that it was something to be "concerned" about. :D

She was just worried about me though, and doing what she thought was best. And in retrospect even though the trip turned really dark and hard, I did learn some caution. So, like everything difficult in life, it turned out to be an important learning experience.

And the same is true about your family ordeal, jamaica0535.

 

[*Love*Lite*]

Hello PD lovelies

Hope everyone is doing well

sorry for all the parental issues Doc I have such an open relationship about my drug use with my Dad, but this weekend I finally told my mom about my passion for psychedelics and all she said was "Ive never tried it, I just dont like the idea of not having control" and I proceeded to tell her about how beautiful it is to let go of that need for control in your life and also reassured her that I prefer small doses to doses that completely space me out as I also need that small element of reality to stick around. She was happy about this. I also learned from my mom that I get the propensity for consumption of drugs from my father which is why I have a much more open relationship with him about them Dad has tried it all, minus the shulgin compound Good luck Doc and Amor fati... family is a tricky thing.

Sorry I haven't been around much. The weather has been dragging me outside very willingly for the past week or so, just cant sit in front of the computer like I can when its bleak and dreary out. Back when the sun goes down boys

 

[NeuroDr]

Thanks LoveLite The openness some of you have with your family is amazing, i wish i could have that. But now i do have this awesome new outlet for discussing psychedelic passions...in PD you guys

 

[PepperSocks]

Hey PD

hmmm, parents not understanding why we use psychedelics eh, I can relate. While my parents allow me to do what I want they would rather I didn't do drugs. They found out about me smoking pot when I was in grade 9 and tried to stop me by grounding and such, but I kept getting caught by them over and over and by grade 12 it was like "OK, you are who you are, drugs haven't screwed you up, we'd rather you didn't do them, but you can do what you want.". They're functional alcoholics who don't drink during the day really (my dad might have a beer or 2 while working outside) but when night time comes they dive into the sauce and pass out. Their general demeanor over the last couple years has been getting worse, more often than not they're grumpy, angry, and aggressive. I've talked to my mom about why I do psychedelics but I don't think she really understands. They're in the old school thought that I take psychedelics to get "messed up".

One of my cousins who is a long term addict of cocaine and crack recently landed back in jail for burglary and assault. He's out on bail right now. He's the nicest guy in the world, just head over heels truly addicted. Me and my parents were just talking about him at the dinner table and wondering what would help him get back on track and I just straight blurted out "What he needs is a mushroom experience." (It snapped me out of a percocet addiction and other problems while ago, was my first real trip). The angry, sarcastic, and typical response I got from my dad was "That's just what he needs, more drugs." Trying to explain what psychedelics are and what they do to my parents is futile. They wont consider them as medicine until it's mainstream, if that happens I'm gonna jump up and down and say "I told you so!"

Neuro, I totally agree, getting into PD and being able to talk about our psychedelic passion with like minded people is super duper awsome :D

 

[cosmic charlie]

My parents accept my drug use pretty much. I'll smoke pot with my dad and whatnot but he wouldn't ever take a psychedelic again. He used to trip alot when he was my age. But after he had me and my sister he stopped using all drugs accept weed and alcohol. They know I take psychedelic drugs sometimes but I don't rub it in there face or anything. My parents pretty much just hate Opiates and as long as Im not shooting dope their happy.

 

[Roger&Me]

sorry for the rant, guise LOL

I think the big problem is that the media has created this illusory idea of "drugs." They basically invented a category that didn't exist and grouped a bunch of dissimilar compounds into it. For instance, marijuana is about as similar to cocaine as a llama is to a donkey. LSD is so dissimilar to cocaine or heroin that I can't even think of a suitable analogy to describe it. Weirdly enough, alcohol is certainly not considered a "drug," people actually treat it like its just a beverage (when alcohol is obviously anything but just another beverage, I mean when was the last time you got wasted and vomited everywhere from drinking a Sunny D?? LOL).

The bottom line, though, is that the media are the real evil fuckers in this issue. Drug journalism is notoriously inaccurate, and its blatantly obvious that they are unqualified to be writing about the subject 99% of the time. When reading articles about exotic RCs, I basically expect them to get the name wrong (even when it can be easily found through a simple internet search).

It really boggles my mind how people still take the media's word for anything really. Obvious scam is obvious, ya know?

I mean, with the amount of information available about these compounds with the click of a button, its really inexcusable at this point to be misinformed. Erowid is so simple a 4th grader could use it, but apparently these journalists can't.

Another thing that I don't understand is why more people don't deem psychedelic drugs to be of more importance. After having tried them, I literally could not imagine a world without them. They scream out at you with significance, they literally will not allow me forget their deep spiritual value. But even before I ever tried a psychedelic drug, I was reading about them on the internet since about age 13 -- reading people's experiences on psychedelics was the most interesting thing in the world to me, I hadn't even had the experience myself yet but I could just feel the importance being conveyed in these people's experiences. I mean obviously not everyone will be interested in these compounds, I totally respect that, but it seems to me like people should at least recognize the fact that psychedelics have deep spiritual significance to some people, and that banning these substances is akin to banning someone from any other type of spiritual practice aka a morally repugnant thing to do.

Meh, it just boggles my mind man. These compounds can be the universe's ultimate adventure, and they can't even find a legitimate place in the most thrill-seeking culture that has ever existed. So many things are wrong with they way the majority of people think: there's just no logical consistency in the masses' thoughts -- there's a drug store on every corner, how can it NOT be obvious that we are a nation that LOVES to do drugs. Why don't we respect people's personal preference of what drugs they prefer to ingest? Is it because they are afraid of how people start to act once they've ingested these drugs? That maybe they will become a 'scary hippie' or something? Its just so lame and ridiculous at this point, it seems like I'm in a bad nightmare where the rules of logic don't apply!

 

[PepperSocks]

Very well put Rog, I enjoyed that.

even before I ever tried a psychedelic drug, I was reading about them on the internet since about age 13 -- reading people's experiences on psychedelics was the most interesting thing in the world to me

Exact same here except I was 14. Instead of watching TV I would often sit at my computer for hours on end reading reports and researching.

 

[B9]

It must be a powerful feeling to be able to print an article & turn a sizeable majority of the population hostile to a basically benign group of people.

Perhaps these "journalists" ought to properly research what they mistakenly believe they are qualified to comment upon.

I'd say proper research would involve exposure to the subject matter & a subsequent appraisal of the experience weighed against the historical evidence - bearing in mind that bias that could exist.

Do we have the ability or desire to be able to contact these people simply to enquire whether they would be prepared to actually experience what they wish to write about ?

If a journalist were to be willing to experiment then I'd be far more accepting of their opinion.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Well, really, we're not supposed to know any journalist's "opinion". Their job is to give us the facts. However, media bias is a definite reality, unfortunately.

I think the big problem is that the media has created this illusory idea of "drugs." They basically invented a category that didn't exist and grouped a bunch of dissimilar compounds into it.

Precisely! It's the media's way of enforcing the stigma associated with all psychoactive compounds - cherry-picking negative effects of certain drugs, and then generalizing them.

Another thing that I don't understand is why more people don't deem psychedelic drugs to be of more importance. After having tried them, I literally could not imagine a world without them. They scream out at you with significance, they literally will not allow me forget their deep spiritual value...obviously not everyone will be interested in these compounds, I totally respect that, but it seems to me like people should at least recognize the fact that psychedelics have deep spiritual significance to some people, and that banning these substances is akin to banning someone from any other type of spiritual practice aka a morally repugnant thing to do.
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Its just so lame and ridiculous at this point, it seems like I'm in a bad nightmare where the rules of logic don't apply!

Once again, you've gone and stolen my thoughts Roger! I was on this line of thought when I came out of a DMT flash, came online here and started rhetorically asking about psychedelics' place in culture & society, and it's ridiculous status as a taboo. To which you replied with some interesting information and articles about LSD's influence on technological advancement!

 

[Xorkoth]

They're functional alcoholics who don't drink during the day really (my dad might have a beer or 2 while working outside) but when night time comes they dive into the sauce and pass out. Their general demeanor over the last couple years has been getting worse, more often than not they're grumpy, angry, and aggressive.

As if alcohol isn't a drug... what a crock (I blame the media and whoever is behind the whole "drugs and alcohol" thing, which makes people think of alcohol as separate from drugs). The worst part about alcohol is it changes people if they get to be alcoholics... it reduces your capacity for higher thought while making you think you're fine. People use less and less reason.

I've talked to my mom about why I do psychedelics but I don't think she really understands. They're in the old school thought that I take psychedelics to get "messed up".

Yeah, a lot of people think that there's no possible reason you could take a drug except to "party"... Including a number of drug users I've known. My wife thought that psychedelics were stupid and childish and dangerous for years, but over the years I've gotten her to realize and accept that they can be used for other purposes too.

One of my cousins who is a long term addict of cocaine and crack recently landed back in jail for burglary and assault. He's out on bail right now. He's the nicest guy in the world, just head over heels truly addicted. Me and my parents were just talking about him at the dinner table and wondering what would help him get back on track and I just straight blurted out "What he needs is a mushroom experience." (It snapped me out of a percocet addiction and other problems while ago, was my first real trip). The angry, sarcastic, and typical response I got from my dad was "That's just what he needs, more drugs."

Yeah. I've had a variety of people say that to me. People have thought I was a "stupid druggie" for suggesting that psychedelics could help with drug addiction. (druggie - another terrible term that causes massive amounts of prejudice and scorn). I've told people that psychedelics have helped me with emotional problems and addiction, and they scoff at me and tell me I must be delusional. Right, I must still have depression and anxiety and dangerous drug addiction but I just don't notice. 8)

Trying to explain what psychedelics are and what they do to my parents is futile. They wont consider them as medicine until it's mainstream, if that happens I'm gonna jump up and down and say "I told you so!"

Yeah, I always like to point out to people (if appropriate :D) that I have been smoking weed since 17 and taking psychedelics since 18, and much more of them than ever before in the past few years, and I'm doing better than almost anyone else I know my age. Most of my friends (especially the drinkers) are living with their parents still at 25 to 26, no undergrad degrees, no money, etc. meanwhile I'm married with my first house that I own, have been living across the country with no help from my parents for the past 4 years, have my degree (with almost a 4.0 cumulative average), and have a great job in my field of study where I've been promoted multiple times and get to work entirely from my home office.

As they say, "feels good, man" :D