Pet Peeves ver. Fjones vs Redleader

[Fjones]

the person from buffalo is in fact from new york. new york refers to the state, new york city refers to the city.

Another pet peeve I have is when people state their opinion as fact. You just demonstrated that quite well.

You are also wrong. Most references to NYC are "New York" NOT "New York CIty." Have you even been to New York ever? (the City, not the State).

 

[Fjones]

I almost forgot another HUGE pet peeve of mine. I am a bitch, but here (NOT hear) it is: apostrophe confusion about decades. See, apostrophes are used to denote possessives and contractions. NEVER plurality. You put the apostrophe where the missing part of a word goes: cannot = can't, chilling = chillin', and LISTEN UP, GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, 1950s = '50s. It is NOT 50's unless it belongs to 50 Cent (e.g., "That's 50's ho, yo!") or you're saying he's going to do something (e.g., "50's gonna kill you when he finds what you did with his ho, yo!").

I believe you are partly mistaken. Yes, apostrophes are used for possession and not plural, but, I believe there are some allowable exceptions, mostly when it comes to making plurals out of things that are not actually words.

Edit -- I wasn't 100% sure so I looked this up. I can give you some sources if you like.

But in general, I agree with your pet peeve. It is annoying that so many people now just add " 's " to most plurals.

 

[_a_A_C_c_]

Another pet peeve I have is when people state their opinion as fact. You just demonstrated that quite well.

as did you.

there is more to new york than new york city. the people who live in the city do not own a monopoly on the term new york. and yes, i have been to both NYC and many other areas of new york.

 

[Mariposa]

the person from buffalo is in fact from new york. new york refers to the state, new york city refers to the city.

Yes. Buffalo, NY is considered "upstate" but is indeed in the state of New York. It is about an hourish away from Toronto.

Culturally, Buffalo is more Midwestern than NYC.

Fjones, is there anything that *doesn't* piss you off?

 

[Fjones]

I was not stating my opinion as fact. I was stating an observation of common usage.

No one said anything about a monopoly on the term. However, when "New York" is typically used to refer to NYC, it becomes misleading to say "I am going to New York" or "I am from New York" when you could actually specify what city you are from. Why would someone want to go out of his way NOT to mention the city?

You might not like it, but "New York" very often refers to NYC, and not just in NYC. You sound like you have some sort of axe to grind with New Yorkers for some reason.

Edit -- There is going to be potential ambiguity either way -- If people say "New York" there is always a possibility of confusion about whether it refers to the city or the state. That is where conventions of common use come into play to avoid confusion.

New York City is one of the cultural and financial capitals of the world. It is one of the largest cities in the world and has half the population of the entire state.

So, I don't think I am going out on a limb in saying that New York City is more important than whatever small town in NY state soemoen might be from. I am not saying that because I am from NYC; I would say that anyway.

 

[Fjones]

Yes. Buffalo, NY is considered "upstate" but is indeed in the state of New York. It is about an hourish away from Toronto.

Culturally, Buffalo is more Midwestern than NYC.

Fjones, is there anything that *doesn't* piss you off?

Sure! I like lots of things. I like art, music, cards, games, puzzles, books, cats, dogs, animals in general, video games, baseball, football, racquetball, Rubik's cubes, intelligent discussion and debate, writing, math, computers, pool, ping pong, tennis, and probably a few more things I cannot think of at the moment. I have more hobbies than I can possibly keep up with.

I don't understand people who are bored so often. FInd some hobbies! There's a world of stuff out there. People who complain about being bored are probably just boring people.

 

[Noodle]

I disagree Fjones.

We call Manhattan "The City."

I'm Bridge & Tunnel all the way though.

:D

 

[Bomboclat]

Fjones, is there anything that *doesn't* piss you off?

to be fair, this is the pet peeves thread

i think one of my major pet peeves is someone who constantly talks in a soft and "soothing" voice.

 

[Fjones]

I disagree Fjones.

We call Manhattan "The City."

I'm Bridge & Tunnel all the way though.

:D

You make a fair point. People do often use "The City," but in fairness, it is likely to be used among people who are already in NY state or in or near the city, as in, "Are you coming into 'The City' tonight?" (Said by someone who is in NYC to someone who is in NY State but outside of the city)

I guess what I am saying is, people use "The City" To distinguish the City from the State when it is already established that New York is the topic. No one in Arizona would say, "I am flying into 'The City' if he meant to convey that he was going to NYC.

Similarly, no one in Baltimore would say, "I am from 'The City' to refer to NYC (though they might use it to refer to Baltimore, I don't know, I haven't lived here as long as I did NYC).

 

[mrs_mia_wallace]

Agreed. What the hell does "hook-up" mean. Did you get laid or not? If you are going to tell me the story, don't use intentionally vague terminology. Tell me what happened or don't bother with the story at all.

Agreed. I hate this, I feel like it's the lame way of saying "I had sexual relations with someone but I didn't get laid... however I don't want to come out and say it so I'm just going to make it unclear what happened." When my guy friends get laid, they say they got laid... when my girl friends put out, they say they hooked up.

I think I understand what you are saying, because if I stop just short of going all the way down, I will be using a lot of muscle to do so, whereas if I go ALL the way down, my body will be stopping on its own just because I physically cannot go any lower.

I can still go below parallel though and stop a bit short of "all the way" to achieve that result. This guy's point was that anything below parallel is too low, and I don't think he really understood what's what. He was probably concerned about my knees. He said something about the knees taking some wear and tear as you get older. Who knows.


HA HA HA . !! Someone came up to you and told you not to use FOUR pound dumbbells because it would make you too muscular and bulky!? You have more restraint than I do, I would have .... well, I think most people on this board probably know how I would react to a comment of that level of stupidity

I mean, really, do these people think all you need to do to bulk up is lift a few dumbbells a few times? If it were that easy everyone would look like Ronnie Coleman.

I don't like those supermarket people either. I feel guilty if I eat their food and don't buy the product.

Ugh I hate when people start talking about how it's going to wear and tear at your muscles. And yeah, if you're not even going parallel you're doing pussy squats.

Yes, I've gotten that a few times... I got a personal trainer to show me how to work the machines and whatnot at my gym (it was one of those free sessions you got when you join) and they guy told me I should never lift more than 2 lb weights because "it would ruin your girly physique and make your arms look bulky." I told him I wanted a different trainer. I usually don't even use weights because I prefer to do pushups and pullups and whatnot, I can lift a lot more than than 2 lbs and if I just wanted skinny arms I wouldn't bother going to the gym I just would sit home and not eat anything (which I do anyway, but still ).

 

[LoveAlways]

i think one of my major pet peeves is someone who constantly talks in a soft and "soothing" voice.

lol I would have never thought of that on my own but now that you've mentioned it that is really annoying!

I have been to NYC once, but if someone told me they were from New York I would ask "In the city or the state" the few times this has happened it was always the state.

If I, NOT being from the state of New York asked someone from lets say Buffalo, NY-"I grew up in IL, where are you from?" what would you suggest they say?

 

[Fjones]

lol I would have never thought of that on my own but now that you've mentioned it that is really annoying!

I have been to NYC once, but if someone told me they were from New York I would ask "In the city or the state" the few times this has happened it was always the state.

If I, NOT being from the state of New York asked someone from lets say Buffalo, NY-"I grew up in IL, where are you from?" what would you suggest they say?

I would suggest they say "I am from upstate NY," or "I am from Buffalo, NY."

As far as I know, NY is unique in this way, which is why I think people from NY STATE (but not NYC) specifically should say which city they are from.

If someone is from Arizona and says, "Hi, I am from Arizona," no one is going to ask, "Oh, the city or the state?" There is no Arizona City, just like there is no Oregon City or Nebraska City (as far as I know).

But if someone is in NY State, and someone asks where he is from, why respond "New York" when the next question is almost CERTAINLY going to be "Oh, the city or the state?" (That is IF the person doesn't just assume he meant NYC, which a lot of people would). Why make the person ask another question? Why not just answer his first question, KNOWING in advance that replying "New York" doesn't really give a conclusive answer and is likely to lead to an immediate follow up question?

I mean, yes, if someone asks where I am from, I could say "The Milky Way," or "Earth" or "America" but why waste the person's time like that?

People aren't going to assume that the responder to a question is being needlessly vague, hence when people say "New York," a lot of people assume he was being specific and meant NYC. Certainly in the news and media, they will usually say "Upstate New York" or something to that effect if they do NOT mean to refer to NYC.

Damn, I am long winded.

 

[n3ophy7e]

The other one is Washington.
Washington, DC or Washington state?

 

[Dave]

fjones:

It's a primary source, trust me.

But yeah, the apostrophe is NEVER used to pluralize. Period. It's one of the few hard and fast rules of English grammar.

 

[spork]

I would think that most people that are actually from New York City would say right off that they're from Manhattan, Brooklyn, etc. to avoid the confusion and because saying you're from NYC sounds kind of touristy IMO. That said, if someone was to tell me that they are from New York I wouldn't just assume NYC.

 

[Fjones]

fjones:

It's a primary source, trust me.

But yeah, the apostrophe is NEVER used to pluralize. Period. It's one of the few hard and fast rules of English grammar.

As I stated in the previous post, this is just not true When pluralizing dates, numbers, and abbreviations, it is acceptable to use an apolstrophe. I am not making this up. I have a stack of grammar and usage books on my shelf. I'll provide some sources later today when I have more free time.

And yes, I am aware that "pluralize" is probably a pseudoword, but that is the way the wind seems to be blowing (making so many "ize" words out of other words).

For that matter, I wonder if "pseudoword" is a pseudoword?

 

[Fjones]

I would think that most people that are actually from New York City would say right off that they're from Manhattan, Brooklyn, etc. to avoid the confusion and because saying you're from NYC sounds kind of touristy IMO. That said, if someone was to tell me that they are from New York I wouldn't just assume NYC.

Unfortunately this often leads to confusion and leads to a follow-up question sometimes. If I answer, "I'm from Greenwich Village," or just "The Village (As people from the village say," people don't always know what that means.

Yes, I could say, "I'm from Manhattan," but people from Manhattan don't usually talk that way. Even the Post office doesn't use Manhattan -- If you are mailing letters to the outer boroughs, you write the borough or in some cases, the neighborhood, but for Manhattan, you just write "New York."

 

[Fjones]

The other one is Washington.
Washington, DC or Washington state?

Ah, how silly of me ot overlook this example, especially since I live close to DC.

But, this is an even more conrete example. When people say "Washington," It is understood that they mean Washington DC. People don't say, "Lawmakers in Washington DC...," they say "Lawmakers in Washington..."

Again, if someone is taking a trip to Washington State and says, "I am makign a trip to Washington," if he is referring to the state then it seems as though he is tryign to confuse people. Why not just say where in Washington State you are going? I mean, come on! Washington DC is the CAPITAL of the country!

 

[AmorRoark]

^ I completely disagree. Most people who actually live in the District say (or should, IMO) they live in D.C. not Washington. I highly doubt people purposefully confuse people when they don't say "Washington state" and just say Washington. I would assume they meant the state if someone said "I'm making a trip to Washington". I'm sure Washingtonians find it really irritating that they're always asked "D.C. or the state"?

 

[LoveAlways]

I would suggest they say "I am from upstate NY," or "I am from Buffalo, NY."

As far as I know, NY is unique in this way, which is why I think people from NY STATE (but not NYC) specifically should say which city they are from.

If someone is from Arizona and says, "Hi, I am from Arizona," no one is going to ask, "Oh, the city or the state?" There is no Arizona City, just like there is no Oregon City or Nebraska City (as far as I know).

But if someone is in NY State, and someone asks where he is from, why respond "New York" when the next question is almost CERTAINLY going to be "Oh, the city or the state?" (That is IF the person doesn't just assume he meant NYC, which a lot of people would). Why make the person ask another question? Why not just answer his first question, KNOWING in advance that replying "New York" doesn't really give a conclusive answer and is likely to lead to an immediate follow up question?

I mean, yes, if someone asks where I am from, I could say "The Milky Way," or "Earth" or "America" but why waste the person's time like that?

People aren't going to assume that the responder to a question is being needlessly vague, hence when people say "New York," a lot of people assume he was being specific and meant NYC. Certainly in the news and media, they will usually say "Upstate New York" or something to that effect if they do NOT mean to refer to NYC.

Damn, I am long winded.

..........ok........?

When ppl ask me where I was born I say "Mexico City" not "Mexico" but whatever


Not so much pet peeves, but my 18yr old cousin has been getting on my nerves lately!!! I thought she was more mature for her age but now I'm seeing that 18 is 18 is 18 is 18...
**Keep in mind as you read this I absolutely have "had a talk" with her on every single subject that I am about to complain/rant about. I know ppl will be thinking "sounds like you need to slap a bitch" I wont slap her but I have gotten into arguments and discussions with her on all these topics. But like I said, sometimes 18 is 18 is 18...

--She is constantly on her phone.
This irritates me 1) when we are watching tv or a movie and she comes in to the living room or kitchen (basically same space as the living room) talking and laughing all loud on the phone so that we can't hear or pay attention to whats going on with what we're watching.
And 2) some people save up for a lifetime to come to the beautiful island of Maui-whenever we try to take her some place cool/nice/ beautiful she's just on her phone either talking or texting or listening to music so loud she can't hear what we're saying to her. Its like she doesn't even care to get to know the island at all

--She has NO manners! I dont think I've heard her say "Thank you" even ONE TIME since she's been here (almost a month already) We are pretty broke right now and my boyfriend really goes out of his way to cook delicious dinners with what little food we have. Not only does she not say "Thank you" but she doesn't even show gratitude by doing the dishes, or even cleaning up after herself. She just finishes eating (and she can eat too! She always has one or two extra helpings) then goes directly to her room or to the computer.

-Her eating habits are disgusting. She puts ketchup, lime, and/or maple syrup on EVERYTHING. I'm talking pizza, eggs, spaghetti, vegetables, etc... She has not once touched a meal-even TRYING IT before demolishing it with maple syrup or lime. Its gross and offensive. Also I knew she was like this before she came so I tried to warn my boyfriend. He was kind enough to get her a bottle of lime juice so she would feel "more at home" (since limes are like $3/lb we didn't get her real ones) I showed it to her and let her know that it was him who thought of her to get that, she picked it up and said "This isn't going to cut it, I'm just going to have to go to the store and get real limes." also "OMG you guys are like totally out of ketchup I NEED MY KETCHUP when can we get more??" !!!!! No-"Thanks for thinking of me" or anything. SO RUDE!

--She eats like a fucking pig. I know that sounds mean but I am pregnant and she eats more than I do. My boyfriend is very athletic-burns lots of calories therefore consumes more calories, and she eats more than him.
This irritates me 1) because we're broke (she KNOWS this!!) and we can't afford to be buying 3 times the amount of food that one person should be eating. I get some free food from WIC like milk and eggs and stuff-WIC food is only given to pregnant or nursing mothers to be able to nourish themselves properly and SHE eats almost all of it!! For example (oooh this really pisses me off) I get two gallons of milk for every WIC check so I get one 2% for my boyfriend and I to share and one fat free JUST for her since she literally flipped out the first time she opened my fridge and saw 2% "NO fat free?? I can only drink fat free!!!" So i get it for her.... well she drinks that so damn fast (while my boyfriend and I are sharing another gallon) that she ends up drinking our 2% too!! I'm like "I thought you only drank fat free" she tells me "O well now there's none left and I have to drink my cookies with milk!" BITCH
And 2) She is constantly complaining about her weight. I really want to strangle her when she does this. She will sit on her ipod taking note of every little thing she ate to see what the calories are, and then complains "OMG you guys are going to make me get so fat out here!" I get into arguments with her about this ALL the time! Its like-HELLO! It doesn't take a fucking "calorie application" to tell you that drenching 3 platefulls of spagetti (which we always home-make with HEALTHY fresh vegetables straight from the garden) CUPfulls of maple syrup followed by 15 oreo cookies and 2z of milk to know that you're consuming too many calories. ALSO not doing ANY excercise despite my encouragments to go for walks, swimming, have her get on our eliptical machine. I always make the comment "How many calories does your ipod say you burn sitting in front of the computer for 12 hours a day?"

--Her typical day: Wake up at 2 or 3pm, eat constantly throughout the day while sitting on the computer till 4am in the morning. Lately though I've been hogging MY computer since I actually need it for our business. But of course every few hours I get asked "Can I get on real fast? So and so tagged me on a note on facebook and I can't check it from my ipod" UGH give me a break!!!

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