TDS Eating Disorders Megathread

I'm starting to feel really insecure again...I haven't eaten since Monday afternoon with the exception of some grapes and a graham cracker today.

Honestly, I'm trying to make myself believe that I'm not starving myself on purpose., but all the feelings of control and secrecy are coming back...I love those feelings so much.

I found myself giving myself a weight goal again...too lose 50-55lbs. I was to lose like 25 by the end of April. I know it's not logical, and I'm trying to make better goals so it don't feel the need to punish myself when it doesn't happen.
 
I'm starting to feel really insecure again...I haven't eaten since Monday afternoon with the exception of some grapes and a graham cracker today.

Honestly, I'm trying to make myself believe that I'm not starving myself on purpose., but all the feelings of control and secrecy are coming back...I love those feelings so much.

I found myself giving myself a weight goal again...too lose 50-55lbs. I was to lose like 25 by the end of April. I know it's not logical, and I'm trying to make better goals so it don't feel the need to punish myself when it doesn't happen.

I know I'm probably preaching to the converted but thought I'd point out to any browsers of the thread that starvation is a really ineffective way to lose weight; you need to speed up your metabolism, not slow it down. Go and have a healthy, low GI snack kc :) :D =D <3
 
i wanted to say hi and that im new to bluelight. i have been struggling with food since i was 9 and im 30 now. ive been in and out of treatment since i was 21. eds are tough because of thier complexity and because of the competative nature of the disease. ive caused a lot of damage to many relationships (most painfully with my brother) because when i was first sent to treatment i did start unraveling some shit but i had no desire to get better. eating "normally"- whatever the fuck that is- was seen as a failure and that i was settling for being inadequate (sp?). so i ended up pissing away a lot of money, support and opportunity. on the other hand all of my experiences were part of a bigger picture. it is hard for people to understand that you have to go through stuff until you really see things differently and want to change. its kinda the same with drugs. a little about me- i struggled with bingeing when i was young, i and others just thought i had a big appetite. i was athletic and wasnt heavy but my dad would tease me about food and my ass. i have a black girl booty. he would call me lb for lard but. since then ive never worn a swimsuit wo shorts. anyways, things perpetuated through the years, i started restricting and exersising a lot. then i would have periods of bingeing and i would get so upset and angry with my evil body and how undisciplined i was bc i wasnt starving. when i started throwing up, things went haywire. i would starve and purge what i did eat and then i got into massive bingeing and purging. it is an addiction. my weight has been all over 75lbs-136 and im 5'2". anyway a year and a half ago i went to treatment at my highest weight and surrendered. however, my doc put me on stimulants to help w my bingeing. well, i started railing them like mad and wouldnt eat or drink and i lost weight. but then my bipolar was so out of control thats what i focused on. i actually had some time where i wasnt thinking about food or my body. i know this is long! but things have gotten bad again. i blew through 500 bucks eating and purging. then last week i convinced my dr to put me on stims. i do have add but i love drugs so im not taking them properly. i blew through my money so i havent had food in the house. so ive been starving again. im sorry so long. ill post more later but if anyone wants to talk, hit me up.
 
I'm starting to feel really insecure again...I haven't eaten since Monday afternoon with the exception of some grapes and a graham cracker today.

Honestly, I'm trying to make myself believe that I'm not starving myself on purpose., but all the feelings of control and secrecy are coming back...I love those feelings so much.

I found myself giving myself a weight goal again...too lose 50-55lbs. I was to lose like 25 by the end of April. I know it's not logical, and I'm trying to make better goals so it don't feel the need to punish myself when it doesn't happen.

I know it's easier to just focus on weight, but you have to try and think of something else meaningful to put your energies to. When things are going bad in my life I always focus on a weight goal because it brings me some immediate joy that I can count on-- being in a good relationship would bring me more joy, but you can't always count on that happening the way you can with food. I know you're going through a rough time but try and come up with a healthier goal to focus us, even if it's not something huge. <3

I know I'm probably preaching to the converted but thought I'd point out to any browsers of the thread that starvation is a really ineffective way to lose weight; you need to speed up your metabolism, not slow it down. Go and have a healthy, low GI snack kc :) :D =D <3
Most common misconception of anorexia...

Anorexics in treatment are the imobile (usually female) versions of Michael Phelps. The average female needs about 2,000 calories a day to sustain her weight. When I was admitted to treatment last summer I was eating 300 cals a day and exercising off at least 1000 daily. I lost weight on anything below 3,000 a day. I didn't begin gaining weight until 4,000 and continued to get 400 increases to keep up my 2 lb a week weight gain. This was with no exercise, getting yelled at if I stood up for without a good reason or walked across the room without a good reason. While anorexics might gain weight for binging, once the re-feeding process begins we usually have to eat far more than the average human being just to sustain our weight. After a period of time of maintaing a healthy weight the metabolism slows down, but that can take a long, long time. When my ex left treatment he was on 6,700 to maintain his weight... he had to eat over 2,000 calories a meal! I felt so bad for him, he was literally in pain some of the day because eating is not fun at that point at all. He drank 2,000 calories a day in supplements, usually what I end up doing when I'm trying to gain a lot of weight. :(

Also, biggest reason I begin to relapse? 4,000 cals a day is a LOT of $....

i wanted to say hi and that im new to bluelight. i have been struggling with food since i was 9 and im 30 now. ive been in and out of treatment since i was 21. eds are tough because of thier complexity and because of the competative nature of the disease. ive caused a lot of damage to many relationships (most painfully with my brother) because when i was first sent to treatment i did start unraveling some shit but i had no desire to get better. eating "normally"- whatever the fuck that is- was seen as a failure and that i was settling for being inadequate (sp?). so i ended up pissing away a lot of money, support and opportunity. on the other hand all of my experiences were part of a bigger picture. it is hard for people to understand that you have to go through stuff until you really see things differently and want to change. its kinda the same with drugs. a little about me- i struggled with bingeing when i was young, i and others just thought i had a big appetite. i was athletic and wasnt heavy but my dad would tease me about food and my ass. i have a black girl booty. he would call me lb for lard but. since then ive never worn a swimsuit wo shorts. anyways, things perpetuated through the years, i started restricting and exersising a lot. then i would have periods of bingeing and i would get so upset and angry with my evil body and how undisciplined i was bc i wasnt starving. when i started throwing up, things went haywire. i would starve and purge what i did eat and then i got into massive bingeing and purging. it is an addiction. my weight has been all over 75lbs-136 and im 5'2". anyway a year and a half ago i went to treatment at my highest weight and surrendered. however, my doc put me on stimulants to help w my bingeing. well, i started railing them like mad and wouldnt eat or drink and i lost weight. but then my bipolar was so out of control thats what i focused on. i actually had some time where i wasnt thinking about food or my body. i know this is long! but things have gotten bad again. i blew through 500 bucks eating and purging. then last week i convinced my dr to put me on stims. i do have add but i love drugs so im not taking them properly. i blew through my money so i havent had food in the house. so ive been starving again. im sorry so long. ill post more later but if anyone wants to talk, hit me up.

Welcome to the thread <3 don't worry about long posts, I'm the worst offender but you can rant here as much as you want :)

I know how you feel somewhat-- I developed my ED when I was 10 (am 21 now) and it's hard when you really can't even remember what it's like to have a normal relationship with food because when you actually began to have responsibility with it-- by that I mean your mom didn't just hand you everything you were to eat-- it got totally fucked up. And yeah my main love of meth is because it's the only time in my life I'm not obsessed with food... because I literally don't think about it when I'm high. I also have ADHD-- but my anorexia + meth addiction pretty much disqualifies me from getting anything... and I have no money for food right now either :D

Are you still going to any groups/seeing a therapist from treatment?
 
Another thing I think sucks is that few people take my ED seriously cause I'm NOT stick skinny.

Most people don't understand that many people suffering from EDs aren't the emaciated skin and bones they see on tv.

I have some extra pounds on me (prob not as many as I'd like to get rid of), but I never stop being insecure, seeing myself as extremely overweight, or trying to find easy ways to lose the lbs.
 
Another thing I think sucks is that few people take my ED seriously cause I'm NOT stick skinny.

Most people don't understand that many people suffering from EDs aren't the emaciated skin and bones they see on tv.

I have some extra pounds on me (prob not as many as I'd like to get rid of), but I never stop being insecure, seeing myself as extremely overweight, or trying to find easy ways to lose the lbs.

I know :(

Ironically, bulimia is MUCH more harmful to the body than anorexia, but most people don't assume that because bulimics tend to not be underweight. Being underweight is just a symptom of one variety of eating disorders, not how severe or whether you have one.

PM me if you want to vent/talk, I'm here <3
 
I'm downright embarrased to look in the mirror now .. And starting to get self-conscious about how others view me; people always talk but it hasn't always bothered me.

I can't break this stalemate in my mind, tho, between poverty, trying to be health-conscious, knowing I'm malnourished, and battling my addictions :-/

I noticed a yellow blotch on my skin today, wonder what the hell that is.
 
i wanted to say hi and that im new to bluelight. i have been struggling with food since i was 9 and im 30 now. ive been in and out of treatment since i was 21. eds are tough because of thier complexity and because of the competative nature of the disease. ive caused a lot of damage to many relationships (most painfully with my brother) because when i was first sent to treatment i did start unraveling some shit but i had no desire to get better. eating "normally"- whatever the fuck that is- was seen as a failure and that i was settling for being inadequate (sp?). so i ended up pissing away a lot of money, support and opportunity. on the other hand all of my experiences were part of a bigger picture. it is hard for people to understand that you have to go through stuff until you really see things differently and want to change. its kinda the same with drugs. a little about me- i struggled with bingeing when i was young, i and others just thought i had a big appetite. i was athletic and wasnt heavy but my dad would tease me about food and my ass. i have a black girl booty. he would call me lb for lard but. since then ive never worn a swimsuit wo shorts. anyways, things perpetuated through the years, i started restricting and exersising a lot. then i would have periods of bingeing and i would get so upset and angry with my evil body and how undisciplined i was bc i wasnt starving. when i started throwing up, things went haywire. i would starve and purge what i did eat and then i got into massive bingeing and purging. it is an addiction. my weight has been all over 75lbs-136 and im 5'2". anyway a year and a half ago i went to treatment at my highest weight and surrendered. however, my doc put me on stimulants to help w my bingeing. well, i started railing them like mad and wouldnt eat or drink and i lost weight. but then my bipolar was so out of control thats what i focused on. i actually had some time where i wasnt thinking about food or my body. i know this is long! but things have gotten bad again. i blew through 500 bucks eating and purging. then last week i convinced my dr to put me on stims. i do have add but i love drugs so im not taking them properly. i blew through my money so i havent had food in the house. so ive been starving again. im sorry so long. ill post more later but if anyone wants to talk, hit me up.

Hi hun, welcome to the thread <3
I'm so sorry to hear that you've been suffering with EDs for so long. The way you have described your feelings about starving then binging and feeling bad/angry are exactly the way I felt in my worst years of bulimia. I sincerely hope you find some peace with your body soon. Keep us updated as to how you're going okay??

Another thing I think sucks is that few people take my ED seriously cause I'm NOT stick skinny.

Most people don't understand that many people suffering from EDs aren't the emaciated skin and bones they see on tv.

I have some extra pounds on me (prob not as many as I'd like to get rid of), but I never stop being insecure, seeing myself as extremely overweight, or trying to find easy ways to lose the lbs.

Yep me too hun. I have a large frame for a girl and even when I was anorexic and at my skinniest, I was still only just underweight, despite the fact that I hadn't eaten for a couple of months (while majorly over-exercising)! I actually got a lot of comments about how good I was looking.....that's not very encouraging to recover is it?!

I can definitely relate to how you feel that you'll never be happy with the way you look. I have NEVER been happy with how I look, even when I was skinny and getting all those nice comments, I just wanted to be skinnier and I completely took it for granted. Now I'm 12kg heavier and I just want to be skinny again!! Some days it consumes my thoughts but other days I just don't allow myself to care so much. It goes in cycles (largely seeming to be dependant on my monthly cycles...ring a bell kc?? :))

I had a massive breakdown a few days ago. I've recently quit drinking (except for a few red wines last weekend but nothing like what I usually drink!) and I think my body's detoxing. I've been exercising really hard every single day, and drinking LOADS of water, and eating well (lots of small meals, not much fat or carbs but still some) and I've GAINED WEIGHT (3kg)!!! In retrospect I should've seen it coming, but it turns out that I got my period this week (my cycle's been totally messed up lately and I have no idea when to expect it 8)). So my panic attacks about my weight gain (and indeed the weight gain itself) could be largely attributed to my hormones....
But in reality, my body image issues will always be there, lurking in the background until some weakness allows them to the forefront of my mind :(

<3 to all in this thread, we need each other's support <3
 
^ I definitely know where you are coming from on the monthly cycle thing...been there done that 8)

I went to the doctor today and they weighed me of course and surprisingly I was less than I thought I would be. This was a good thing, though like I'm sure many of you can relate to, it made me want to see the numbers feel dropping.

I've tried regular, healthy dieting in the past, but no matter how good my intentions are at the start, I fall into the number trap...I get too obsessed with the scale and it never matters what I look like because thanks to body dysmorphic disorder I never SEE the results of weight loss.

Last year when I was heaviest into my heroin addiction, I lost probably 30 lbs or so...I had no idea until I saw the scale...to me I looked just the same. Like you n3o, it was disturbing that friends were telling me how good I looked...of course, most later admitted they were just trying to spare my feelings, and that I actually looked "like death," lol. Telling me that in the first place probably wouldn't have stopped me from doing what I was doing.

I've just had a lot of really shitty things happen to me lately, and I suppose it is still coming down to an issue of control. I tend to rotate though my negative activities when I am trying to control everything...cutting, anorexia, bulimia, drug use, etc.

This just happens to be the ED rotation, I guess.
 
to touch on an earlier post by kc, eds can be devastating at any weight. ive been overweight and severely underweight. my last hospital stint for ed, i was at my highest weight and i got really embarrassed/ashamed/angry at the majority of people who were still new to ed and only thought you were sick if you were underweight. not realizing the years and years of struggle no matter where you were at weight wise. this is why ed hospital can be counterproductive. the judgement, the stigma, the competition sucks you in so you think you dont deserve treatment and it is a bad thing to get healthy. i ended up being able to distance myself from it more than i ever had and basically struck out on my own and decided to fight. i was at a point that id been at before but it was at a critical level- i wanted to die because i couldnt stand being in my own flesh. ive survived many suicide attempts. according to the last two, there was really no explination to why i was still alive. i was still breathing because of some miracle and ultimately, something higher was telling me that im not done with my time on earth. id never cared before because i truly believed this was all going to end up in death sooner or later. i had stopped living life and was just waiting around to die. my attitude has turned around, thanks a lot to finally finding meds and doses that worked and a prolonged period of making sure i was taking them. however, im still struggling and i wonder if i can ever co-exist normally with food. so, long story short, no matter what your weight is, your struggle is real. sometimes i think its more intense at higher weights because you arent as hazy and out of it like at lower weights. hugs to all.
 
.... I've recently quit drinking (except for a few red wines last weekend but nothing like what I usually drink!) and I think my body's detoxing. I've been exercising really hard every single day, and drinking LOADS of water, and eating well (lots of small meals, not much fat or carbs but still some) and I've GAINED WEIGHT (3kg)!!! ...

HHmmm you cut down drinking, you're exercising more, drinking water, eating healthily, and gaining weight. Sounds mighty like you're losing fat and gaining muscle n3o :) step away from those scales girl! <3

kcfaerydust said:
i wanted to say hi and that im new to bluelight. i have been struggling with food since i was 9 and im 30 now. ive been in and out of treatment since i was 21. eds are tough because of thier complexity and because of the competative nature of the disease. ive caused a lot of damage to many relationships (most painfully with my brother) because when i was first sent to treatment i did start unraveling some shit but i had no desire to get better. eating "normally"- whatever the fuck that is- was seen as a failure and that i was settling for being inadequate (sp?). so i ended up pissing away a lot of money, support and opportunity. on the other hand all of my experiences were part of a bigger picture. it is hard for people to understand that you have to go through stuff until you really see things differently and want to change. its kinda the same with drugs. a little about me- i struggled with bingeing when i was young, i and others just thought i had a big appetite. i was athletic and wasnt heavy but my dad would tease me about food and my ass. i have a black girl booty. he would call me lb for lard but. since then ive never worn a swimsuit wo shorts. anyways, things perpetuated through the years, i started restricting and exersising a lot. then i would have periods of bingeing and i would get so upset and angry with my evil body and how undisciplined i was bc i wasnt starving. when i started throwing up, things went haywire. i would starve and purge what i did eat and then i got into massive bingeing and purging. it is an addiction. my weight has been all over 75lbs-136 and im 5'2". anyway a year and a half ago i went to treatment at my highest weight and surrendered. however, my doc put me on stimulants to help w my bingeing. well, i started railing them like mad and wouldnt eat or drink and i lost weight. but then my bipolar was so out of control thats what i focused on. i actually had some time where i wasnt thinking about food or my body. i know this is long! but things have gotten bad again. i blew through 500 bucks eating and purging. then last week i convinced my dr to put me on stims. i do have add but i love drugs so im not taking them properly. i blew through my money so i havent had food in the house. so ive been starving again. im sorry so long. ill post more later but if anyone wants to talk, hit me up.

Welcome to the thread and to bluelight kcfaerydust! If you do need someone to chat to there are plenty of friendly people here who have gone through/are going through the same hell as you. Good luck with the stims; I've never had any luck long-term maintaining a healthy weight with stims involved. There's always the rebound weightgain after discontinuing... Are you sure you should be even considering them with bipolar? Sorry I'm not being critical, just a little concerned <3

mrs_mia_wallace said:
...I know how you feel somewhat-- I developed my ED when I was 10 (am 21 now) and it's hard when you really can't even remember what it's like to have a normal relationship with food because when you actually began to have responsibility with it...

Haha for some reason I assumed you were much older. Must be your avatar? You're just a kid =D
 
to touch on an earlier post by kc, eds can be devastating at any weight. ive been overweight and severely underweight. my last hospital stint for ed, i was at my highest weight and i got really embarrassed/ashamed/angry at the majority of people who were still new to ed and only thought you were sick if you were underweight. not realizing the years and years of struggle no matter where you were at weight wise. this is why ed hospital can be counterproductive. the judgement, the stigma, the competition sucks you in so you think you dont deserve treatment and it is a bad thing to get healthy. i ended up being able to distance myself from it more than i ever had and basically struck out on my own and decided to fight. i was at a point that id been at before but it was at a critical level- i wanted to die because i couldnt stand being in my own flesh. ive survived many suicide attempts. according to the last two, there was really no explination to why i was still alive. i was still breathing because of some miracle and ultimately, something higher was telling me that im not done with my time on earth. id never cared before because i truly believed this was all going to end up in death sooner or later. i had stopped living life and was just waiting around to die. my attitude has turned around, thanks a lot to finally finding meds and doses that worked and a prolonged period of making sure i was taking them. however, im still struggling and i wonder if i can ever co-exist normally with food. so, long story short, no matter what your weight is, your struggle is real. sometimes i think its more intense at higher weights because you arent as hazy and out of it like at lower weights. hugs to all.

I would disagree and say it's equal-- the struggle isn't any less at a higher weight, but honestly when I've been admitted to treatment programs I've been so physically sick and unable to function I can't even begin to process treatment until I've been there a couple weeks, I'm just freaked out by the food being forced on me and don't understand what's going. And to feel so weak and horrible that you cannot even get out of bed somedays, but the thought of eating makes you want to take a gun to your head, is an absolutely horrible feeling.

I do agree with the competition in ED programs. Part of the reason I suggested we not mention weiht #s in this thread is that-- in all my treatment programs you've never been allowed to mention your weight out loud or talk about your target weight, and most don't because they're simply too embarassed of their # and assume that everyone else must be ten pounds thinner than them, but inevitably someone's # comes out and that always leads to massive competition and comparison among everyone in the program. There is always of course the competiton to be "the sickest/best anorexic/bulimic" and tensions among anorexics and bulimics because the anorexics all think that their disease is somehow "better" and from many of the bulimic girls I've known have told me that they feel inadequate/fat in comparison to anorexics.

Then there's the fucking stupid competitive shit that always goes on in those programs... when you're allowed to exercise every anorexic girl wanting to be the one who gets to walk five steps farther and .000000001 miles faster... and my personal biggest pet peeve, the who-can-eat-the-slowest meal competition. One girl I was in treatment with told me "nobody does shit all day but sit around and talk and knit and chew gum, the meals are like the big Olympic events" and it's true. There's always been a time-limit to finishing a meal in the programs I've been in but no one wants to be the first one to finish their meal, or take a second less than they have to to finish their meal.

Honestly though, it all utter bullshit... the first couple times I was in treatment I participated in it but now when I'm in treatment I pretty much just blow through the meals as I'm going to be forced to eat them anyway and don't much bother about the exercise since I'm going to have to gain the weight anyway. At first I thought it was good sign but now I think it's because I ultimately don't really see any end to this disorder and don't much care to try and deal with sitting there and having to eat, I ultimately just see treatment as something to stop me from dying and then get back to it. :|

Haha for some reason I assumed you were much older. Must be your avatar? You're just a kid =D

Yeah my avator is of Uma Thurman :) I wish that was me.

Out of curiousity how old did you think I was? Haha :D
 
I had a massive breakdown a few days ago. I've recently quit drinking (except for a few red wines last weekend but nothing like what I usually drink!) and I think my body's detoxing. I've been exercising really hard every single day, and drinking LOADS of water, and eating well (lots of small meals, not much fat or carbs but still some) and I've GAINED WEIGHT (3kg)!!! In retrospect I should've seen it coming, but it turns out that I got my period this week (my cycle's been totally messed up lately and I have no idea when to expect it 8)). So my panic attacks about my weight gain (and indeed the weight gain itself) could be largely attributed to my hormones....
But in reality, my body image issues will always be there, lurking in the background until some weakness allows them to the forefront of my mind :(

<3 to all in this thread, we need each other's support <3

I'm sorry to hear your having problems girlie :( PM me if you ever want to talk <3

I've always gained 5 lbs when having my period in the past... so it's most likely that. Also though, how much water were you drinking in the past, and did you weigh yourself at a different time than previously? If you were dehydrated, it's likely that you have just put on water weight, which will even out and is not really weight so not noiceable on your at all... I'm always severely dehydrated when I enter treatment and end up having to drink 100 fluid oz. daily and have put up to 3 lbs on in one day from it. Also, your weight can flucuate up to 5 lbs a day depending on how early you weigh yourself and how much you've eaten than drank than day... so I wouln't put much weight on it, no pun intended :D
 
One girl I was in treatment with told me "nobody does shit all day but sit around and talk and knit and chew gum, the meals are like the big Olympic events" and it's true. There's always been a time-limit to finishing a meal in the programs I've been in but no one wants to be the first one to finish their meal, or take a second less than they have to to finish their meal.

Yes.

At the hospital I was at, ED patients were on the same floor as self-injurers for some reason. I had always had body issues and issues with food, but I developed my ED while on that floor being treated for self-injury, not even ED.

It was so hard for me to see these girls who were incredibly emaciated taking the full 45 minutes to eat their lunch, complaining how they look "pregnant" they were so filled with food, trying to find any trick to get out of eating something on their plate (the menu didn't say there would be mayo--do I have to eat it?)

Roughly 3-4 months later I was hospitalized for detox and put on ED protocol because my relationship with food had seriously deteriorated from terrible to absolutely horrendous.
 
...Yeah my avator is of Uma Thurman :) I wish that was me.

Out of curiousity how old did you think I was? Haha :D

I would have guessed late 20's early 30's; just on the stuff you write about. You sound like a well-seasoned veteran (haha take that as a comlpiment :) )

xxkcxx said:
....It was so hard for me to see these girls who were incredibly emaciated taking the full 45 minutes to eat their lunch, complaining how they look "pregnant" they were so filled with food, trying to find any trick to get out of eating something on their plate (the menu didn't say there would be mayo--do I have to eat it?)

Roughly 3-4 months later I was hospitalized for detox and put on ED protocol because my relationship with food had seriously deteriorated from terrible to absolutely horrendous.

Ugh sounds like hell!
 
Well what I have seen in my psych study the ED and self-injury often go together. ED can also be a form of SI.
But anyway, I just saw the thread and I wanted to say that I'm thinking about you guys and pulling for you, each and everyone of you.
 
^ that was the idea behind having the two groups together. I do believe that ED is a form of SD, but in my experience, having them together caused a lot of trouble.
 
I gotta say that it has been really great to get all this off my chest lately. If feels good to get support instead of cut down.

Other than when I was in the hospital and was talking to the girls who also had EDs, the only person I told about my restricting and purging was my boyfriend at the time.

He told me to keep it up if it was working for me :\
 
^ that was the idea behind having the two groups together. I do believe that ED is a form of SD, but in my experience, having them together caused a lot of trouble.

I'm not sure what to think. I know people can "feed" off other's in that situation. However space in psych units are very limited. Its just a catch 22.
 
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