piracetam + ketamine

[blase deviant]

...I know piracetam has (personally, at least for me), potentiated PEAs for me, requiring me to take lower dosages (1/2 or less).

Does anyone have experience with Ketamine + piracetam? Could you use this to stretch an amount of ketamine further (use smaller dosages)?

Would you possibly be able to remember more of your thoughts in detail?

I read a report saying ketamine 'cancelled' out the memory effects of piracetam. Does this mean they cancel each other, and equal out to a normal memory, instead of enhanced or degraded memory? Or does it mean the ketamine completely nullifies the piracetam, and you still have a worse than normal memory, memory of the experience?

 

[yaesutom]

Piracetam seems to want to block dissociatives.. someone gave me an IM of ketamine and she was suprised i could move with the dose she gave me, thought it was probably the piracetam i was taking usually daily at the time.

 

[blase deviant]

Hmm... did you feel any of the usual ketamine effects/was it just the movement/mild amnesia problems blocked? Or was the whole experience stopped?

I'm trying to find a way to stretch it further. I don't have the balls to get a needle, and even so, I get it powdered, and know I'd screw it up and end up with an abcess/infection.

 

[blase deviant]

Are there any ways to make it stronger: maybe add 30mg DXM? 200mg DXM? Would that even be safe?

Or if it was safe, would a low (30-200mg) dose of DXM fog up the ketamine?

 

[Jhon]

In my experiences piracetam seems to partially block some of the effects of ketamine. What seems to happen is that it keeps you partially more "with it" so it's less relaxing but in a way more mentally weird. If anything I think you'd have to take more ketamine to get the desired effects.

 

[blase deviant]

That sucks. It seems like piracetam potentiates all the drugs and effects of them you don't it to.

Anyway, why is IMing powdered ketamine worse than people who IV or IM (a few ppl IM, not many) heroin that they don't know the contents of? Is IM actually more dangerous than IV when you have cuts in it?

Or is heroin just as/more dangerous, but people do it anyway, and the type of people who use ketamine are more cautious?

Has anyone here ever IMed powdered ketamine? Is it really, really stupid, or just a little stupid. Because everytime I measure out a line/pile, on top of wondering how much is wasted due to my nose being clogged from previous bumps, I think of how much further that dosage would've gone had I just IMed it.



Plus several users have said the actual IM experience is different, and feels 'cleaner' and more smooth/less peaky.

Also, while we're on the subject, ketamine doesn't 'lose its magic' like DXM, does it? Assuming you don't use it daily (1-2 times per week).

 

[7zark7]

Hmm... interesting thread.

I have been taking Piracetam for about two weeks now - no noticable effects yet. I've had MDMA and Ketamine in those two weeks and didn't really notice anything different while under their influence!

I think I will have to keep an eye on this thread to see is there is any interaction bewteen Piracetam and certain other drugs!

 

[Jhon]

As far as I know IM is never more dangerous than IV. If there are undissolved granules and what-have-you in your injection then injecting into a muscle could cause pain, brusing, abcesses and infections, or worse. But if you inject those particles directly into your bloodstream they could easily get lodged in the capillaries of your lungs and possibly your brain, with very serious consequences.

 

[subdefy]

^ With IM there is a chance of hitting an artery.

People should really look into SC (I've heard it works just as well with fewer risks.)

 

[blase deviant]

Hmmm... what about magnesium + ketamine? I don't know how to cite articles but here's a link...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11323344&query_hl=1

Apparently magnesium + ketamine both add to the analgesic effects of 'volatile anesthetics'. Does this have any relevance to recreational use or mean anything? What exactly is a 'volatile anesthetic' anyway, and how is ketamine not one?

For the record, I took a high dose of magnesium for benzo withdrawals last night, and had ketamine this morning.

Didn't really notice much difference, but it could be because I feel rather crappy.

I was also wondering about tolerance.

A site I found said 3 days approx. for tolerance to diminish, but erowid said 'weeks'.

 

[Jaw Clenching]

Are there any ways to make it stronger: maybe add 30mg DXM? 200mg DXM? Would that even be safe?

Or if it was safe, would a low (30-200mg) dose of DXM fog up the ketamine?

I've used DXM to potentiate small intranasal ketamine doses many times. I usually can get away with using around 50% less ketamine this way. I would normally take whatever dose would give me a 2nd plateau DXM trip and once it kicks in I'd take small bumps of K every so often. It's a lot of fun if you aren't one of the people that can't stand DXM's effects.

 

[blase deviant]

I loved DXM, but I did it so often that even taking 30mg or so to potentiate opiates makes me gag. I was hoping you could use 30mg or so like you can with opiates.

Plus, taking enough to actually feel DXMs effects would mean the K experience would be muddied with DXM effects... or do the two feel closer than I remember?

I'm wondering if using twice a week builds tolerance? I was going once a week with no tolerance, but moved up to twice a week (figuring it'd be closer to opiates as far as tolerance goes than psychedelics), and dunno if I'm noticing slight tolerance, or if it's just the setting (daytime, I normally do it when it's dark out... far better), or benzo W/Ds (don't notice them when on ketamine, except I'm slightly more nauseated and less sedated)... or what.

 

[Jaw Clenching]

I loved DXM, but I did it so often that even taking 30mg or so to potentiate opiates makes me gag. I was hoping you could use 30mg or so like you can with opiates.

Same here. DXM used to be my favorite drug. Now I get nauseous just thinking about DXM.

As for DXM + K together, yes the DXM changes the experience but they synergize very nicely.

 

[blase deviant]

I would buy robogels, but that stuff's about as expensive as Ketamine. Actually, not about, it probably IS as expensive, if not more so, than ketamine. IIRC, it's like $6 for 200-300mg for the gels, and storebrand is still about $5.75 w/ tax...

No one sells DexAlone around here, I don't need 30-50g worth (plus I hear pure powder tastes worse than robo, and I'm not dropping $ on caps and a capping machine), and the FDA is cracking down on pure dxm powder.



EDIT: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113274&highlight=ketamine+magnesium

Hahaha, I should've UTFSE.

My only concern is that I use a pure magnesium citrate powder (most efficient for absorption IIRC), and a side effect of excess magnesium is listed as 'low blood pressure/heart rate, etc'... so I don't know if this is a problem?

 

[smartshop]

Its funny how powerful a good dose of ketamine can feel and then by taking a bit of a smart drug can totally take that away. I don't have experience with piracetam and ketamine. But deprenyl(low dose) and high dose b-vitamins prevent me from getting to the k-hole. Last time i tried snorting 250mg and still had an impaired but functioning ego. Normally 100-150 mg is a full dose for me.

 

[blase deviant]

That's odd. I read a report on erowid, and on here, that B-complex/B-12 made Ketamine stronger.

Anyway, has anyone ever mixed ketamine with a low dose of 2c-c (20-30mg)?

I was thinking 2c-t2, but that has the potential to go awry, IMO.

 

[leungkachong]

Ketamine is a drug that is far less potent by weight, and as a result having a significantly larger amount of possible "cut" being in a shot. IM with particulate matter present will be much more discomforting, and probably result in sterile abscesses in a good case scenario. IVing may have worse potential complication (the risk of embolisms and such), but how much lower occurances.

I have dissolved and shot ketamine hydrochloride crystals by IV and IM from sources which involved material which was dried from liquid vials and untouched otherwise, or from a pre-liquid source (filtered through fine dental cotton, completely sterile and new equipment each time, bacteriostatic water, the works) along with a number other individuals I know, and none have encountered any problems.

However, I cannot say that I would recommend using any powdered ketamine that is not known to be pure, which hasn't really been considered, and even recognize the risk in the dabblings of my friends (thousands of shots) and myself (not quite that high, lol ), though a perfect track record does seem pretty good!

 

[smartshop]

Well b-12 has some effect on the nmda receptor itself. But taking high doses of b1 and b5 for instance can have effects on acetylcholine pathways. I think it is that kind of effects that keep you more aware and "with it" when taking ketamine. But since mao-b inhibition by deprenyl takes a few weeks to clear it might have been the deprenyl as well(but not completely since not taking deprenyl for a few days i can have a full effect from k).

 

[blase deviant]

How long does it take piracetam to clear out of your body/how long must you stop taking it before ketamine has effect again?

Does it have any beneficial effects on the experience, or does it just make it weaker? Above, it was said that it's more of a 'mindfuck' (I know you guys hate that term ), and less relaxing/sedative.

I'm not sure I'd like that, as part of the novelty of ketamine is that it's... what it is. Heard it described as 'psychedelic heroin', which I'll use to say what I like about it, for lack of a better description.

 

[Tryptamite]

I've just started back on the piracetam after a 6 month break. In the meantime I found a source for ketamine and I would like to continue to explore the K-hole at the weekends. Should I forget going back on the piracetam or can you still K-hole in the evening if you skip the morning's piracetam dose?

Thanks!