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I was just reading a post by someone who suggested mdma was a harder drug than marijuana.

Personally I would have it the other way around by miles but thats my opinion.

So how do you determine what is a harder drug than another?


Me..........I tend to consider my own personal experiences and considerations from what I have seen amongst my mates.

In my world, mdma seems easily controllable and other than a few Tuesday blues, no ill effects at all.

Mary Jane on the other hand appears to be an uncontrollable substance amongst most of its users and the long term effects have been pretty bloody aweful from major paranoia to anxiety to lack of enthusiasm and some withdrawal from society.


I would rate Meth as even harder again due to its ease of getting hold of, ease of addiction and speed that it creates a downhill spiral.
 
I don't have a hard and fast rule but my considerations are:

Ease of addiction
Ease of overdose
Aftermath (comedown and the days following)

So going on that, here's a quick rating list :P (Soft to Hard) If you don't want a list and more want the logic behind it, feel free to modify my post :)

Marijuana
MDMA
Speed
2c-*
LSD
Mushies
Benzo's
Meth
Coke
GHB
Heroin
 
see now this is strange but I'd put speed (amphetamine) as a harder drug than coke. It just feels so much harsher on the body, and addiction to speed can create worse side effects in my opinion, even if it isn't as addictive.
I find coke to be a relatively soft drug and I have little to no comedown off it. I actually love coke.
whereas speed, being up for 72 hours, feeling all jittery and then having a crash with the mood swings and the shaking, just feels a lot more like a "Hard" drug should.

My list would probably go.

Weed
Ecstasy/MDxx
GHB
Alcohol
Anything prescription.
Shrooms and LSA
Ketamine
2C-x
Sniffy Coke
LSD and other chemical psychedelics
Speed
Crack Cocaine/Coke prepared for injection
Heroin
Meth.

Having said that I really dislike weed.
 
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i rate it just on personal experiences, and for me MDMA has been FAR more adictive than weed... The want to do the drug again is alot stronger, the nagatives have been some of the worst experiences of my life :-/

My 'soft to hard' list goes something like:

Alcohol
MDMA
cocaine
Z (prescription drug)
tobacco
skunk
LSA

My list isnt as extensive as some though :D
 
If we're doing lists I'll give it a go.

Hardest at the bottom:

Cannabis
Psilocybe Mushrooms
Salvia/DMT
LSD
MDMA and it's family
Benzos
Cocaine (powder)
Speed
Heroin
Crack.
 
As far as "hard" drugs go id say ecstasy isn’t even close to the top of the list. It does have relatively harsh side effects per use compared to most drugs, and by that measurement some people would automatically label it a hard drug, but I disagree. There is much more to look at than the direct effects a drug has if you want to determine weather or not it is healthy for you.

Two major things MDMA has going for it is that it is not habit forming and doesn’t work well with continued use. So unlike say meth or opiates you can’t fall in love with it and start making a habit of using every day. It is largely a party drug or something most people save for special occasions.

I don’t know if I would say it is any more or less safe than weed though. One of the great things about marijuana is that it leaves your body relatively unchanged after use, and that is why so many people hare habitual users. So if you decide to quit smoking pot you may go through a few weeks of withdrawal but after that you suffer little or no side effects. I'm not sure you could say the same thing about MDMA.

If I were to make a list of drugs hardest to safest it would probably go

1. habit forming stims (mainly meth)
2. habit forming depressants (opiates benzo's alchohol)
3. psyc's and MDMA ( assuming they aren’t being used all the time, not taking into account that most E is cut with other stuff)
4. weed

Interesting idea for a thread, but most people in this forum including myself are probably biased because we use ecstasy.
 
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I think this is a very interesting question. As long as biased politicians (I know - this is a pleonasm) ideologies or religions do not even try to tackle the subject.

For once I am not going to give my personal take on that one, but the Lancet had published a comprehensive paper on drug classification in March 2007.

Since an image is worth a thousand words, behind the link a graphical rendering of the ranking (well, it seems as a newby I am not allowed to post images or even urls to other sites) so here is the link for you to copy and paste in your location bar :
woofwoofwoof (dot) mapinc.org (slash) lib (slash) LancetFigure1.gif Or just google these words: lancet drugs harm classification

Some info does stand out: in order of decreasing harm:

1) Heroine
2) Cocaine
3) Barbiturates
...
5) Alcohol
...
9) Tobacco
...
11) Canabis
...
18) Ecstasy (MDMA)

So according to the paper, it's pretty safe to roll =D But the study has been very controversial. Some (biased politicians didn't seem to like it...)

Anyhow, that doesn't prevent the application of a few simple harm reduction principles which you can find abundantly in this forum and all over the web.
 
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Damien said:
In my mind I always rated drugs on a scale of toxicity.
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If you base your opinion on only the toxicity of the drug then MDMA is a very hard substance.

But in my mind you cant ignore the addictive nature of some substances that, by your way of looking at it, would be considered safe.

This is the question I ask myself. What kind of drugs cause more death and hardship in the world? If you are comparing neurotoxic chemicals like psycadelics and MDMA with more common addictive drugs like opiates, nicotine, alchohol ect. the addictive drugs are far more harmful.

So if you ask me the addictive nature of a drug is far bigger of a factor than its toxicity if you're deciding if its "hard".
 
^ I have always looked at MDMA as pretty hard. I agree with the addictive aspect to some extent as well. As a rule I try and avoid those drugs though so that is why my personal scale leans more towards toxicity.
 
They are both chemicals, if you get addicted it is from your actions, not the drug's. But that is just how I see it.

Pizza and strawberries are food; if I eat one it might be more harmful, but that doesn't mean it's a "hard" food. If I somehow get addicted to food, it is not the pizza's intention.
 
Heroin, MDMA and Marijuana are all chemicals. However some are chemically addictive and some are psychologically addictive. Some have large side-effects in the short term and some don't.

I see where you are coming from, all chemicals have the potential to be addictive. The primary difference between them in terms of addiction is they can make a person addictive to the chemical, or the emotions/feelings they bring. Something that isn't physically addictive is a lot less dangerous or "hard" than one that is.

That's how you split them, imo (and again, in my opinion :P). Good discussion point Bob!

Edit: Marijuana itself isn't a chemical strictly speaking...it's a plant lol. Just noting before any smart arse comes in and points it out lol :P
 
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If you have enough self-control to not go overbaord with your use, I imagine long-term risks would be greatly reduced. It is all a matter of self-control I think.
Thanks :]
 
I would say from soft to hard would be:

Marijuana
Shrooms
Salvia
DMT
LSD
MDMA/MDA
Speed
Cocaine
Meth
Heroin

I think the ones that have a higher addiction rate/ easier to get addicted to are hard drugs compared to the others... Also the effects that they have on people when they become addicted or are craving a hit.
 
to me rolls are definitely harder than heroin. i think my hardness ratings have more to do with how fucked up the drug gets you than anything else though. when i do heroin i feel relatively safe because ive done it many times before and im familiar with the effects. i have taken rolls a few times and found them to be unpredictable and long lasting with a terrible come down. when i was rolling i did things that i would not normallly do or say and i dont notice that on heroin. also it was the summer and i got extremely over heated and dehydrated and needed to lie down. that has never happened to me on heroin.

also i am not as familar with the dosing on rolls and im not sure if one pill is like enough or is it going to be too much.

so i guess i am like one of the few crazies who thinks heroin is safer than rolls. i think heroin is on the same level of safeness as LSD but definitely less safe than marijuana.
 
Damien said:
In my mind I always rated drugs on a scale of toxicity.
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Damien can you expand on this cos I dont quite understand.

Do you mean toxicity based on an equal ammount of each and how screwed it gets you?

Or how easily one can OD and die on a given substance?
 
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