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Astral-Imagination

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How many have experiences with this Egyptian entheogen?

How about combining it with an Maoi ?

Blue Lotus goes well with Salvia Divinorum and Sally Goes well with DMT
So how about an Ayahuasca analog with Blue Lotus as an ad-mixture?

How many have tried Blue Lotus and combinations with it?

The old and new world meets
 
It IS a psychedelic my friend, try to prove me wrong ;) You cant

I think it has a Dopamine agonist if im not wrong, and ive tried it many times its very psychedelic, but its a relaxant, afrodisiac and stimulant too.

What you are saying is like saying pot isnt a psychedelic too, it is, but its alot more too.

Its medicine

And so is Blue Lotus

Sacred medicine
 
Astral-Imagination said:
It IS a psychedelic my friend, try to prove me wrong ;) You cant
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Let's see, I think I can.

Please provide me with some evidence that Apomorphine and Nuciferine have psychedelic properties. They don't. These are rumoured to be the active components in Blue Lotus.. One has dopamine agonist properties (Apomorphine), yes, but why do you exactly think that this should make it a psychedelic?

Then we have Phytosterols, Bioflavonoids, and Phosphodiastrates. Also not really psychedelic components. They're probably responsible for the "sexual effects"..

What you are saying is like saying pot isnt a psychedelic too, it is, but its alot more too.

Its medicine
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I know perfectly well that Cannabis has psychedelic properties. I know it is used as a medicine. Does that mean that Blue Lotus should be considered to have psychedelic properties as well? No. It doesn't have any. It might be used as a medicine, but using it as a medicine doesn't automatically mean it should have any psychedelic effects.

That's like saying; everyone eats meat, because I eat it too. 8(
 
Blowmonkey said:
Let's see, I think I can.

Please provide me with some evidence that Apomorphine and Nuciferine have psychedelic properties. They don't. These are rumoured to be the active components in Blue Lotus.. One has dopamine agonist properties (Apomorphine), yes, but why do you exactly think that this should make it a psychedelic?

Then we have Phytosterols, Bioflavonoids, and Phosphodiastrates. Also not really psychedelic components. They're probably responsible for the "sexual effects"..



I know perfectly well that Cannabis has psychedelic properties. I know it is used as a medicine. Does that mean that Blue Lotus should be considered to have psychedelic properties as well? No. It doesn't have any. It might be used as a medicine, but using it as a medicine doesn't automatically mean it should have any psychedelic effects.

That's like saying; everyone eats meat, because I eat it too. 8(
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Heres some hints from Erowid, there are many users detecting the psychedelic effect from Blue Lotus, including myself, and the one using it to go into trance.


http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=15372
In trying to compare the effects of the lotus with those of drugs that I was personally familiar with, I note doing that no tryptamine (LSD-like) or phenethylamine (MDMA-like) alkaloids have ever been isolated from the blue lotus, and that its effects are usually attributed to the presence of nuciferine, which is not known to have any psychedelic properties. Although the dose I was able to take was low, I was confident that I could detect psychedelic activity in even small doses. The subjects on the Sacred Weeds programme had taken 19 flowers between them, in two consecutive doses nearly three hours apart, and one website that I have seen (Clear White Light at http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/lilly.htm) suggests a dose of 3 to 5 flowers. This means that I would be taking just a fifth to a third of a hit. The website describes the plant as 'a pretty good sedative with a mild, opioid like feeling', though other websites I have seen call it an 'entheogen', which I take to mean the same as psychedelic.
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Love and Light

Astral
 
And if you read further down...

"MY CONCLUSION: The blue lotus is definitely psychoactive in some way (I cannot attribute the effects I felt to the alcohol I had consumed with it), but it is also definitely not a psychedelic. No doubt a higher dosage would give a clearer picture, but I can state with confidence, even at the dose I took, that it had no psychedelic effects whatsoever. No visuals at all, with eyes open or closed, no patterns, no traces, no thought stimulation or flow of ideas, nothing that you would associate with psychedelics except for a hint of the loved-up feeling typical specifically of MDMA. While I can see how this plant would have made parties go with a bit of a swing back in ancient Egypt, I can't see it as being the source of any religious or social ideas despite its place in Egyptian mythology."

Its not a psychedelic.


Sorry, I was doing research on lotus and found this post. Doesn't sound like anything I want to spend my time on.
 
Just like any other plant, I am sure certain strains of lotus, and not just blue lotus, there are other active lotus types, are more active than others. I have experience with several types of lotus and I think they can touch upon the psychedelic mind state in their own way, mostly through closed eye imagery and a certain floaty feeling that happens after you have imbibed enough of it. I have experience with 10xs of several lotus flowers and they were quite more noticable. So far, the best ways I have used it was to make a tea with a generous amount, and then smoke a few bongers of it, or steep some lotus in some wine. I always think of wine as being a semi-psychedelic substance itself, so the combined effect is nice IMO.
 
Oh, btw...I have never been able to fully substantiate to myself it being compared to MDMA (as it was compared to in some documentary). It can lend a certain empathic feelings, but more in line with a mild opiate experience.
 
You're either a troll or a fucked-up acid freak. Either way, what you're saying doesn't make any sense.
 
I've experimented with huge amounts of Blue Lotus and felt no discernible effects. I've made tea from the flower petals and stems, smoked/eaten a 25:1 extract, and drank it as a tincture (using up to 4 times what the website I got it from said to use). I honestly think it is placebo, though others seem to strongly disagree. Maybe some people lack an enzyme needed for its metabolism or something.
 
lotus bu itself the effects r weak......mix it with alcohol!!!!! y do people overlook this.....it is mentioned everywhere even the egyptians soaked it in wine


peace!!
 
some people are generally more sensitive and will resonate differently wiith different materials.

if it's psychedelic to you, then it is. if it isn't, then it isn't. personally, I feel that there is a borderline psy-component to the experience but it is also aphrodisiac and stimulating as wel as a bit opiatey.

And I totally agree with catfishRivers's statements. Pingu, wtf are you writing??? Please conside the effect your sweeping judgmental statement may have on the person you're judging so unfoundedly, and also on all the people who are reading this. There are more things between heaven and earth, Pingu, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Or in mine, for sure.
 
commonly used psychoactive lotus species:

nymphaea ampla (white flower)
nymphaea caerulea (blue flower)
nymphaea nouchali var. caerulea (blue flower)

common names: Blue Lotus, Egyptian Lotus, Blue Water Lily, Sacred Narcotic Lily of the Nile, Ninfa.

Some other species MAY possibly have psychoactivity but this needs confirmation:

Pink Lotus (Nelumbo nucifera)
Red lotus (Nymphaea nelumba L.)
White lotus (Nymphaea lotus L.)
The White Water Lilly (Nymphaea Odorata)
The Siberian Red WaterLilly (Nymphaea alba var. roseas)
The Yellow Pond Lilly (Nuphar Luteum)
 
Some people might consider opiates psychedelic, as they produce a dream-like state with a flow of imagery, but with reference to the literal meaning of psychedelic (mind-revealing), opiates don't really qualify - and that seems to be the same for blue lotus
 
fastandbulbous said:
Some people might consider opiates psychedelic, as they produce a dream-like state with a flow of imagery, but with reference to the literal meaning of psychedelic (mind-revealing), opiates don't really qualify - and that seems to be the same for blue lotus
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what about DXM?
 
Here comes this discussion AGAIN...to me psychedelic best describes the state of mind one enters, and not so much the drugs. A person can have flashbacks and experience a psychedelic experience without having ingested any drug for some time. There are many other similar examples of this as well. I think it is best to understand that the word does indeed describe a class of drugs, but the same word also describes a state of mind that may or may not have to do with the said class of drugs, and may even have to do with drugs typically thought of as being not psychedelic.
 
I'm bumping this old topic mainly to see if there is anything new to be added.

This is an odd plant indeed. I notice almost no effects when used alone, but combined with other things it seems to blossom in a way. Mixed with alcohol it makes being drunk much more clear and focused, with a stronger euphoria. Mixed with cannabis it seems to completely open up the headspace and add to closed-eye visuals and heightens visual acuity greatly. Combined with various other herbs (Dagga, Pedicularis, Kratom) I have experienced similar effects of slightly altered inebriation.

Smoked after taking prescription Dextromethylphenidate, it seemed to stop all the stimulation I felt.

Could these effects be completely placebo?

Apparently the plant contains apomorphine, a dopamine agonist, and nuciferene, a dopamine ANTagonist.
 
I agree with F&B, lotus has not proven to be mind revealing in my trials. However it posses a definite "trippy" quality. For example fabric like curtains and tablecloths seemed to flow in a very ethereal way the first time I drank it. The mind state is a very calm and blank one, but not a mindless feeling like being trashed on alcohol or eating excessive amounts of benzos. So that zen feeling is kind of trippy to me. Its a highly subtle drug though, if you are not sensitive to minor perceptual changes you may not really find it distinguishable from placebo. Also I think the potency can vary substantially between vendors and batches.
 
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