Freebasing / Vaporizing Psilocin and Psilocybin

[arcarsenal]

As a spin-off of the "Smoking Mushrooms?" thread I was interested if anyone knew the results of vaporising (pure or near-pure)Psilocin or Psilocybin in much the same way that DMT (closely related chemically) is vaporized. Because Psilocin and Psilocybin are present in such small amounts in relationship to the bulk mass of the mushrooms, it seems that if a purified source were vaporized (NOT burned) like DMT is, that perhaps the argument over 'smoked mushrooms' could be eliminated by targeting the source - the active chemicals. Whether the chemicals would be a salt or base (the Psilocin, anyway) im not quite sure, but any input from experience or from the pure theory of the situation would be greatly appreciated.

 

[hedtwin]

This is pure speculation, but i would have thought that vaporizing it would still de-naturalise (or however its spelt) the psilocin/psilcybin. Not sure though, interesting question.

 

[nasaltr0n]

I don't know about smoking psilocin, but I've been studying 4-acetoxy-det lately.
It is supposed to be an intense trip when smoked. or 'pyrolyzed' as the user's guide on erowid by toad names it.
4-acetoxy-det is said to be a precursor to 4-HO-DET. This reads strikingly similar to psilocin or 4-HO-DMT.
Might be worth looking into if you don't already have a bunch of pure psilocin sitting around

 

[rm-rf]

damn just eat the motherfuckers u dumb kids.

 

[mightyjoepipe]

chillout there THE WOOD. a question is a question even thought it can sometimes be a simple one or even a dumbone i find that verry rude what u said and just because they might of had asked a stupid question or not that is not relevant to a (dumbass kid). if u ask me i find that ageism or even some type of discrimination for pointing out that kids ask stupid questions and i can agree to that to some point but then again its the same thing as calling all kids stupid so pleze next time u post a reply u dont have to be such an ass thank you and i bet the others would appreciate that too l8ter yall.

 

[mightyjoepipe]

chillout there THE WOOD. a question is a question even thought it can sometimes be a simple one or even a dumbone i find that verry rude what u said and just because they might of had asked a stupid question or not that is not relevant to a (dumbass kid). if u ask me i find that ageism or even some type of discrimination for pointing out that kids ask stupid questions (u might not of said it but thats what sticks out)and i can agree to that to some point but then again its the same thing as calling all kids stupid so pleze next time u post a reply u dont have to be such an ass thank you and i bet the others would appreciate that too l8ter yall.

 

[soma420]

freebasing psilocybin

I know that you can't smoke mushrooms because the heat destroys the psilocybin and psilocin. This is also true with things like 5-meo-dmt. This problem is solved by freebasing the dmt and not allowing the flame to actually touch it. I was wondering if anyone had firsthand experience with this method of ingesting psilocybin. And if anyone has access to pure psiolcybin if they would look into this method. Standard procedure for freebasing is making a little spoon out of tin foil, putting the material in the spoon and then holding a lighter under the spoon and inhaling the smoke with a straw. <--For anyone who has access to pure psilocybin and wants to try this out.

 

[Blowmonkey]

Re: freebasing psilocybin

I know that you can't smoke mushrooms because the heat destroys the psilocybin and psilocin. This is also true with things like 5-meo-dmt. This problem is solved by freebasing the dmt and not allowing the flame to actually touch it.

No. I can smoke 5-MeO-DMT just fine with the flame touching the powder. I don't know how may times I've done it this way.. Even with small amounts it's no problem at all.

I imagine it would be exactly the same for Psilocybin & Psilocin. The only reason people report no activity smoking mushrooms is because you'd have to smoke pretty large amounts to get effects, the temperature to burn the plant matter lies higher as the vap point of psilocybin/psilocin, you destroy most of the compounds that way.. With the isolated compounds smoking would be just as simple as smoking 5-MeO-DMT.

 

[Bad_Boy_Blue]

What about avoiding burning the shrooms by using a vaporiser?

 

[Psychotropic]

A/B ~
"Standard procedure for freebasing is making a little spoon out of tin foil, putting the material in the spoon and then holding a lighter under the spoon and inhaling the smoke with a straw."
~ an oil pipe is safer
"heat destroys the psilocybin and psilocin. This is also true with things like 5-meo-dmt."
~ heat degrades indoles ~ yet like Blowmonkey already stated they still can be smoked with direct flame.... not very effective though...

Welcome to BL Soma420

 

[bingey]

extracting the alkaloids from dried shrooms is not very hard , i think you should use methanol/ethanol as a solvent, use a lightbulb pipe to smoke it , you can make one in 10 min , some bl member wrote a real handy DIY guide (think he's called Red_haze not sure though)

 

[-=ReD-hAzE=-]

http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/red_haze/bulb.zip

 

[fastandbulbous]

5-Methoxytryptamines are fairly stable to heat, hence the ability to smoke 5-methoxyDMT, 5-methoxyMiPT etc. 4-Hydroxyindoles are a whole different ball game though; they oxidize very quickly (most 4-hydroxyindole compounds have to be either stored under an inert atmosphere, or below 0'C).

Now I can almost hear the next question, what about psilocybin, as it's protected from oxidation by being esterified with phosphoric acid? Well, that big bulky phosphate group means that you'd require a much higher temperature to get it to vapourize, and chances are that it would dissociate into phosphoric acid and psilocin before any appreciable amount vapourized, and psilocin has an unprotected 4-hydroxy group on the indole nucleus...

4-Methoxy DMT (psilocin methyl ether) might work, but who's ever come across that other than Shulgin, Nichols and a few others?

 

[BJamin]

Don't you feel the least bit like a junkie freebasing anything? Why not just stick to physically ingesting the illegal drugs instead of smoking them the same way as crack?

 

[cannabis sativa]

us potheads are obsessed with smoking anything

 

[fizzacyst]

Don't you feel the least bit like a junkie freebasing anything? Why not just stick to physically ingesting the illegal drugs instead of smoking them the same way as crack?

Perhaps some people just pefer that method, for whatever reason. Comfort is important with psychedelics.

There are other reasons:
1). Easier dose titration -- You don't have to take an amount you think will be ok, wait 30min-2hrs just to realize you needed to take more (or half as much!).

2). Shorter duration -- Drugs that are smoked are usually shorter in action than the same amount taken orally/insufflated.

3). Stash conservation -- If the smoked dose is substantially lower than the oral dose, you may be able to stretch out your supply.

4). Immediate action -- Perhaps not always immediate, but a hell of a lot faster than oral usually. Some people just prefer this to waiting around.

There are probably others.

 

[Coolio]

Psilocybin is easily vaporized and while nobody has measured the efficiency, it's at least as efficient as oral from anecdotal reports. Psilocin is probably not stable enough to be vaporized and inhaled on its own, but psilocybin definitely is.

 

[deviate]

has anyone tried vaporizign shrooms and what was the result?

 

[Coolio]

deviate the first reply to this topic answers your question! Read the whole thread.

 

[Juggalotus]

Don't you feel the least bit like a junkie freebasing anything? Why not just stick to physically ingesting the illegal drugs instead of smoking them the same way as crack?

I really dislike the way this comment was made.

It doesn't matter how you introduce a chemical into your body, for example- cocaine, whether you smoke, snort, or poke, you are STILL doing the same drug, but with longer/shorter duration.

I asked my physician what the safest way to administer cocain to my body was, and he told me that IV was the safest for the body considering the alternatives. Although it is suggested to use a purification method first (acetone).

Snorting - causes irriversable damage to the mucous membranes and nasal cavity.

Smoking - causes significant damage to the lungs due to oil deposits from the freebase.

IV - in worst case, you will collapse a vein. It leaves a clean little incision that heals in minutes, and dosen't leave anything to rot your body parts.

Straight from a doctors mouth.

I admit, that freebasing is not the best route of ingestion, but one of the most frowned upon 'junkie' methods (needle) is in fact the safest.

Much Love