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Seizures from SHROOM Usage or ENERGY EXTREME? Yee haw.

insanepookie

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I was reading some posts on another forum, ran into a person who had seizures in part due to shroom usage and this tickled multiple bits of memory that sparkled a luminescent honeydew emending event. Well, possible revaluation at least. The recall of a shroom adventure that was postulated as a hopeful body and mind acknowledgment of sorts. Here it is and my question is at the end for perhaps someone who dwells around this forum with additional information; more than what was obtained there.


Many moons ago, close to an 1/8 of shrooms was consumed.
During the trek a VERY powerful spasm began to course.
The energy surge roughly started around the middle of the lower back region.
The energy flowed down the side of one leg and departed near the Gastroncemius area.
The interval between each surge was approx. 6 seconds.
The force was powerful enough that a jutting or lurching foward was the result every single time and it was more pronounced when any effort was used to restrain the sensation.
To an outsider it was presumed to appear as the person was suffering from a form of Parkinson's disease or a type of seizure.
The scene may have even been visually comical to some.

This surge of energy felt VERY pleasurable. One might scale it just under bodily orgasmic but to be certain it was not sexual in nature.

For whatever reason the idea to work with this energy surge came into mind. While still jutting from lower back to leg still in motion some music was selected on the computer. Anything that could be selected with a decent dance beat was qued up.

The action of dancing and constant motion to the music negated the uncontrollable jerking of the leg in a spastic manner. The sensation of SURGING energy seemed nonexistant. After a few moments the experiant stopped and within 10 seconds the jerking force started again. So, along as there was movement, which in this case was in the form of dancing movements that were not emulations of the spasm.

There was no apparent or I should say obvious overheating issues. This is only judged by the experiant and the idea to use a thermometer did not occur during this span. There was a just a bit of perspiration that coincides with shroom use.

The very few times of shroom use at later junctures did not produce this effect. A future dosing, even with the consumption of a full 1/8 of cubensis, that without a doubt created a rather over powering experience yielded not this experience.

Later reflection formulated the concept that this dehiscent of energy may have been in part due to some psychological trek explorations while under the psychedelic influence. There is a reference that I have quoted before that refers to this type of situation. That, during a session, a person may specifically release pent up energy that was consolidated and coveted by a troubled psyche.
In other words some of the fucked shit that happened while a kiddie may have been processed (if true, sadly, it was still unavilable at the conscious level) and released... keep in mind that this is only a guess. Another important factor here is that the material read that referenced this type of release was not crossed until later; which removes the psychosomatic effect of reading that text as a plausible reason for the event.
Due to the time span of writing the experience (for myself) and when I read the book in question, initally I wasn't sure if the book had been read right before this scenario. Then I took a look at my Amazon.com record and low and behold, the book wasn't ordered until around the time of the experience and this verified to myself the book was not read up to that point (2/3 of the way through the book is where it states this).

This SURGING lasted about 1 1/2 hours to possibly 2 hours. Time comprehension may be in flux but a clock helps manyfold to provide some semblence WHEN you actually need to note time lapse.

Does this simply sound like some type of seizure? I tend to over analyze crap and while it seems helpful at times; a seizure is just a friggen seizure. Err well, ok, so it's not good to have them

Lastly, other than water and tea, nothing else was consumed. I'm an avid fan of NOT mixing drugs.
And, during this time or for many many months before, no prescription drug(s) were in use.

The time span between this trek and the previous shroom event is a guess (It's documented somewhere...) of lets say 30-40 days.

Several months transpired before the LSD fun before that. Plenty of mind rest between uses; in theory.
 
ive also heard of seizures occuring with both mushrooms and lsd but as far as i know, there have been no large scale scientific studies on this. could anyone link me to some real scientific information if it exists? how risky is it?
 
I don't think you were necessarily experiencing seizure activity. You're talking about psychedelically induced idiomotor movements. I seem to get them more than most, especially with 4-ho-DMT and DMT. See my posts (#'s 53 and 59) in this thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=318367&page=3
Psilocin without (the supposedly inactive) 4-ho-NMT has also produced these effects in me, but not in the herky-jerky way the combination of 4-ho-DMT and 4-ho-NMT did (see post 148 in the current DMT thread). There is a very similar chemical to 4-ho-NMT in some mushrooms called 4-po-NMT, which, if I'm judging my experiences with 4-ho-NMT correctly, might be part of the issue.
 
I've heard of people who claim they""like, had a siezure, dude" but to be honest I think 99.99% of such claims are horseshit. I think it's up there with people who claim they got stoned on banana skin.
 
Ismene said:
to be honest I think 99.99% of such claims are horseshit.

Ismene thinks that 99.99% of all claims are horseshit. ;)

But really, in this particular instance, are you serious? Or are you just contributing your obligatory negativity?

By the way, OP, I love the custom work you did =D Beta Lightning Bolt, nice one.
 
Thanks for the input. I did and still do plan on spending a fair amount of time further researching this specific topic. I spend may very well spend effort to put up a page or two about this topic and/or post what I find when hard data with citations.

psood0nym: I was hoping it'd be closer to what you stated as a more plausible reason. I wasn't sure why the general searches online yielded so little to satisfy the need to know. I shall blameth a need for sleep after a multitude of work hours and no play.

Eventually a physical book accumulation will occur through purchase or at least through temporary means via the public library that cover this topic.

Ismene: I have little trouble believing many a experiences are horseshit as in the experience did not really meet the real criteria. I think you can get a type of HIGH from smoking banana skin; the kind as a result of various levels of asphyxiation :) I know that isn't what you meant though.

Xorkoth: Thanks for the appreciation of attempted representation of the energy surge during the experience. I find visual input in conjunction with words a strong amplifier and aligning duo to convey meaning. I have a rather just below average drawing ability. Even with that lack of innate latent power of most average artists; the crazy and psychedelic themed FLASH (as in macromedia) animations that will one day be born from these fingers should be fun and maybe interesting.

"But really, in this particular instance, are you serious? Or are you just contributing your obligatory negativity?"
Well hey, it appears my post was quite possibly horseshit in reference to a real seizure! Thank goodness it seems more and more unlikely to be the case.


While it may be excessive; I will type this out here to add a dash water based limpid love that helps keep some people from misunderstanding:

1. I was simply seeking info to perhaps help ease further research and make sure there wasn't something obvious listed that slipped my eyes.
2. Fear not the shrooms if you are a novice or never have had a shroom trek.


Consume soy products. Please disregard if you are allergic or can't stand soy.
 
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Xorkoth said:
Ismene thinks that 99.99% of all claims are horseshit. ;)

But really, in this particular instance, are you serious? Or are you just contributing your obligatory negativity?

LOL! :D

Well for a start there's a problem with the situation isn't there. 15 year old kids high on psychedelic drugs arn't generally the kind of people you go to when you want an accurate medical diagnoses. Seizures are one of the most misdiagnosed illnesses there is - every day countless people are rushed to hospital with cold stone sober people telling the doctor "He had a seizure dude". When the doctor examines them it turns out to be nothing of the kind. Simple fainting is the most common diagnosis. The other diagnosis is a "funny turn".

If a 15 year old kid told me he had a "funny turn" on drugs I'd believe him. I'm just wary when he starts making clinical diagnosis like "I had a seizure".

Nothing against you insanepookie, I know what you're getting at it's just that I've heard a lot of people in the past say they had "seizures" so it's just the word that gets me a little riled.
 
true but even stone cold sober adults misdiagnose seizures all the time.
 
LOL, even Richard Pryor misdiagnosed a nigga with a seizure :D

Richard Pryor - Anthology 1982-1992 Nigga with a Seizure
 
Xorkoth said:
That's true... your mom (a grown adult) miss-diagnosed a seizure last night!

=D


Teeheee. Dirty boy.

The only seizure from drugs I've seen was from MDMA- good friend just collapsed at a club, and start shaking and convusling like a convulsing shaker. A trip to hospital and straightness, plus brain scans saw him throuhg. Annoying though was the assumption that he had taken G just because he was catatonic....
 
willow11 said:
Teeheee. Dirty boy.

The only seizure from drugs I've seen was from MDMA- good friend just collapsed at a club, and start shaking and convusling like a convulsing shaker. A trip to hospital and straightness, plus brain scans saw him throuhg. Annoying though was the assumption that he had taken G just because he was catatonic....

You sure that was a seizure and not a funny turn?
 
willow11 said:
Teeheee. Dirty boy.

The only seizure from drugs I've seen was from MDMA- good friend just collapsed at a club, and start shaking and convusling like a convulsing shaker. A trip to hospital and straightness, plus brain scans saw him throuhg. Annoying though was the assumption that he had taken G just because he was catatonic....

haha! they treated me like I was on some crazy drugs when I had a seizure, even though I was helping my parents move into a house
 
You sure that was a seizure and not a funny turn?

Nope. Definite seizure. His body had a ver distinct rigidity to, with ultra fast shakes- he was carried out by security and his entire body was stiff and vibrating. It certainly wasn't funny.
 
i tripped on mushrooms last night and i smoked some kush after i had started tripping.things started to get far away it seemed and i had tunnel vision and slowly started to head for the ground. i blacked out i thought. but when i became half conscious i realized i was shaking amazingly fast on the floor and it happened 3 times after.
 
The spiritual diagnosis - kundalini release / surge... Kundalini is some crazy trippy shit, that can be unleashed on psychedelics, often with mushrooms.

Reminds me of the time a similar thing happened to me on a boat on VERY good mushies. I was listening to aphex twin and I guess my eyes rolled in the back of my head and I started twitching and vibrating to the music, and it was completely uncontrolled. Could have been some brain wave synchronization to the music ...

I don't think this sort of thing is really a seizure... Seizures and bad and intense and can screw you up.

-lenses
 
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