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what drugs increase or reduce HPPD for you?

Sure, your eyes have to obey quantum statics just like any other photodetector, though for most people their brain filters it out... you get the same thing from a time-exposure photograph vs a very fast photograph.

I'm curious what this explanation is, and why for some people with HPPD it responds to benzos.

To me the HPPD static seems to be a result of a visual cortex malfunction, prima facie.
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8 years ago I had Lasik eye surgery. I "noticed" static in my vision to which the doctor said was due to the surgery and "cloudiness in the cornea" or a reduced level of light to which the brain does not understand. At that time in my life I had not tried MDMA, only cocaine and shrooms once. (And yeah, I thought my doctor was full of shit back then too.)

I remember having static as far back as I can remember. I think I just noticed it after the surgery because I was looking for something. I know I used to look at the walls when I was a child and would see "staticy" stuff but I thought everybody saw this way :D

If I take 1mg of Ativan (or diazepam or probably any benzo) colors seems to get brighter and the static fades away for the duration of the night.

I would agree with you that it is probably a result of an error or hyperactivitiy in the mind rather than a problem with the physical eye or retina.

It's funny because the static doesn't interfere with me "understanding" what I am looking at. It is worse at night, but even when I am driving in the dead of night with static around, I never lose my grasp on what I am looking at. I think that is strange! My mind still knows "what's there" it just doesn't bother filling in the "blanks" of mono-color areas.

*I should note that even at it's worst I don't really notice the static. It is only noticable if I focus on it mentally. Similar to how if you stare at 1 point in the room for a while and the rest of the room goes staticy as the eye gets "tired" of the focusing?
 
People with HPPD can understand the world around them. They may see the most crazy things, but they can still read (mostly). It doesn't destroy your visual acuity, it just messes up the location of everything.
 
I have stages of HPPD. Or what can be categorized as such. But it comes and goes. Caffeine and stress have always made these things more pronounced, as does taking various hallucinogens. I found that HPPD got worse when I was at
work in front of a monitor. Which indicated to me that it could be an iatrogenic disorder. After begun to stop worrying about it, most of the symptoms have disappeared.

Maybe it was like that for me because I was under a lot of stress in general. Once the stress decreased, so did the symptoms.
 
Also, given the way neurons work. Edge detection and statiic are natural side effects of the neuronal processing of visual data. The difference is that some people have more of this information pass into the concious processing. Primarily if they look continously at an object. I suspect that this is due to the levels of information stabilising to a point where details of the visual process are brought to the concious level of processing.
 
Ive never actually beein diagnosed with anything yet, but I do have my suspicions. This is all sounding rather familliar - not understanding the location of things, cartoonness of objects and vision in general. Lots of blobs and static, but more like fuzz. Increased ability to think in creative/introspective ways and rather than focussing on one thing, its more of an "all" presence where I can sense everything, understand it yet It doesnt quite exist. I dont know wheither its a good thing or not, It really helps me see things differently. More simplistic to a point of where I can do whatever I need to do without being bothered by the (vast) work involved.

I see it as a positive thing, all besides the fact when someone who's not quite as adept in psychadelics as yourself, looks at you and sees that youre almost like a spirit trapped in a body and that u speak like it too. Then they start wondering, and when youre on e and theyre on e too for example. You start going off about altered perceptions, like last night for example. I was very etheric, or even deeper, either way. I think I shell shocked an entire party. I couldnt messup what I was saying by the time the 2 e's hit me and I could basically come up with my own perfect answer. LSD has effected me greatly, I used to take mushrooms aswell but stopped. Ive don't take psychadelics to the extent i used to, once or twice a year sounds ideal. In the end, I feel asif I've learnt too much for some people around me to comprehend, and I still want friends. I got em too, but ill never see things the way they do every again, unless I find some nice new introspective souls to congregate with, anyway. Thats my shpiel about my 'hppd'
 
I dont see the sperm in the sky. I know my friend does, though he's never tried any drugs. I saw a sperm blob once or twice, but for some reason my mind still filters them out.

I do see rainbow-worms though. And grainy fields on my monitor. And fuzzy purple clouds immediately after having the lights go dark. And swirls and clouds and depth-changes if ive been in the dark for a few minutes (or after just staring at something for a while). And afterimages and slight trails. No drugs have affected these much and these symptoms dont really change much.

Stress definitly increases spatial distortion, spatial distortion usually comes and goes.

About still being able to drive in night with static, I doubt I could. I don't notice static unless I think about it in the daytime, but at night it gets so intense I sometimes get scared. Entire portions of my vision (especially the center) are completely drowned out by the little dots.

I smoked moderate doses of weed daily this week, and it hasnt affected my HPPD. It only affects it when I smoke a lot. I'm thinking about trying a low dose of mushrooms, working my way up, and seeing if I can take certain amounts without them affecting my HPPD. Half an eighth sound good for my first try?
 
*SPERM IN THE SKY*
Finnally someone I can relate too!!!!
I thought I was just crazy when driving on a nice bright sunny day when all of a sudden the dreaded sperm start swimming around in my vision. If you try to focus on one of them they get pushed farther into your vision...So you can follow them with your eye they will just move.....But they look like little cells with a tail swimming around ontop of my eyeball...Help!
 
the sperm stuff.


"floaters" at least in many peoples cases are actually veins/tissue that has come out from the retina or is suspended in the eye. It is not drug induced as far as I know. It is benign as far as I know.

Moving your eyes quickly from looking up to down and holding your gaze straight after should make most of it move down due to motion.


(this is seperate from the moving/strange HPPD stuff that could also be described as "spermlike").
 
They're not referring to floaters. Floaters are something else -- debris in the eye. You don't see the debris, just the diffraction pattern they form on the retina.
 
After taking trips on 2C-I there was minor HPPD it didn't really bother me. But after taking LSD the HPPD was many times worse. It seemed like at night whenever I'm staring into the light, there's a giant halo around it, then a colorful prism of colors, and they seem to move around. I would see trails around as cars drive by. If I concentrate enough I would see mild visuals, but if I look into a colorful design, it seems to somewhat turn into fluid.

Then there was a time where a large amount of nitrous was inhaled, the HPPD seemed to had gotten worse. Trancers were worse, and static seem to persist through the air. Things also appeared a bit cartonish. Sometimes the HPPD could be distracting, but it helps if your sitting in a boring class.

I think there's going to be some time before it goes away, for example the 2C-I trancers, went away after a few weeks, so I'll just give it time and I should be able to do fine, its really no nig deal.
 
groovemonkey said:
HPPD isnt necessarily a bad thing. i hate when we (as a society) decide to take the way people are and slap a "disorder" label on it. Same with ADD. we're all just what we are.
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Now THIS person has definitely had too much acid! :D

crOOk
 
after doing pretty much any hallucinogen you will get motion trails and dotty vision.. its very easy to provent HPPD. HPPD is all in your head !!! ya if you tripped balls before, your brain recognizes all the visual effects you've experienced. your mindd is a very powerfull thing!! if you worryy about it and keep it in your head of course your gonna see floaters, static, etc..i mean damn i dare any one thats done acid, shrooms etc. to put your hand in front of your face and wave it back and forth.. MOTION TRAILS.. Right? yup. after you trip hard balls your mind can perceive reality in a new prospective.,,, i feel just fine right now, but if i wanted to i could alter my minds prospective too that tripping state, and i could get all the symptoms of HPPD. just by letting my mind zone out. and my brain remembers that state of mind. people do the same thing in meditation, they alter there mind into a different reality. people can get there minds stuck in that state after a trip, thats all HPPD is. its not permanent, it just depends on how fast you can snap back to normal reality. the more you say, oh damn i have HPPD, the longer you minds gonna stay in that consciousness. bcus your labeling your self with those symptoms, so your brain will follow. i mean most people become HPPD because of a bad tripp, and i guarantee they convince themselves while tripping that they lost there minds and there never gonna be the same..because of paranoia and fear and trauma, etc. after tripping on LSD you never feel quite the same again. soo keep your mind strongg and be positive. its just drugg. remember, " mindset and setting " when you wanna have a great experience. Be Optimistic !!!
 
HPPD isnt necessarily a bad thing. i hate when we (as a society) decide to take the way people are and slap a "disorder" label on it. Same with ADD. we're all just what we are.
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the labels can be very useful. categorizing these things helps us understand and treat people who have these chemical perturbations to such a degree that their quality of life is inhibited. the categories also do refer to real phenomena; people with ADD do have different brain chemistries than those without ADD.

nonetheless, sure, HPPD and ADD aren't "all bad"... everyone has them to some extent, as they seem to be on a spectrum... and this contributes to "neurodiversity" in our intellectual development, which i see as a good thing. we come up with amazing ideas while tripping for a reason... we're looking at everything from a non-neurotypical perspective...
 
I used to have HPPD for a while. But now its gone. There are no more trails. How can someone who doesn't have HPPD get it? I think it would help my ADD if random stuff kept popping up.
 
Why didn't any of the Native American Church members they studied have HPPD?

Should we all be limiting ourselves to mescaline only?

My own personal experience tells me that hallucinogens are therapeutic and leave no lasting deficiencies whatsoever, but all this talk of HPPD has me awfully worried.
 
I remember me as a kid asking my parents what these coloured patterns are, when I close my eyes.

I can also hear some sort of half-auditive hallucinations, after a day I've heard a lot of people talk. I close my eyes and bring my mind in a sort of receiving state, hard to describe, but then I hear a lot of random gibberish talking in my mind.

I can also 'feel' my body move while lying in bed after I did some repitive activity which had been very hard on my equilibrium senses - a ride in a rollercoaster, skiing.

I've always known that I see form of static when I close my eyes, or when light intensity in a room is not so high.

All of these things before I used any kind of drug.

I think HPPD in some cases may indeedly be about being extra observant for things, you never really noticed before. And you attribute them to the drugs you've taken - because this is the first time you saw these things intensely.

Of course I do believe some people might have developed some 'error' in their brain, which may do cause abnormal amplifying. I can never know how it is for other people, since I can not see through their eyes, using their brain.

But if you're only seeing static? HPPD?
 
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