Mushrooms and Body Pain

[goatboy]

It's like someone coming to you and saying "I get shooting pains in my legs every time I eat an apple".

Are you gonna instantly blame the apple? Or look for some more obvious reason?

It's like the old "LSD causes back pain" urban myth. It was just people sitting in awkward positions for a few more hours than usual. Nothing to do with the the LSD.

 

[two fathomz]

ya but this didnt happen everytime i ate an apple, or shrooms, this happened once. with one batch, and everytime i tripped off THAT BATCH it occured. hardly a coincidence.

 

[goatboy]

neways this probem has clearly occured with several people and i wonder myself what other chems it cold be causing this.

Yeah but I've no doubt several people have said "I got back pain from LSD" too. Doesn't mean LSD causes back pain.

and everytime i tripped off THAT BATCH it occured

But the other people you say experienced this wern't tripping off that batch were they?

wonder myself what other chems it cold be causing this.

Well I've tripped hundreds of times and never had muscle pains in my legs. I've got friends who've tripped hundreds of times and never had muscle pains in their legs. If the mushrooms had chemicals in them that gave you leg pain don't you think I'dve experienced it at least once?

 

[Cosmic Mist]

well, i for one thing believe that it could be something else in the shrooms... I remember on my first time shrooming i was fine for the first 3 hours, and then for the next 3-4 hours i couldn't move. My body just refused to cooperate. perhaps it was just the onset of tiredness from having been up all day prior to taking the shrooms, but it happens every time unless i have some sort of amphetamine to keep me going.

it could be psychosomatic now, but that still doesn't explain how it happened hte first time - i have never experienced anything like this with any other hallucinogen either...

 

[deroxor]

using my own logic i pretty much figured it was psylocybin or sum other poison clumping in the areas i wasnt using. soon as the blood started moving it was ok.

thats the exact description of how it feels, like poison is clumping in areas, i know shrooms are basicly not toxic, but thats what it feels like

 

[goatboy]

Not sure I know too much about what poison clumping in areas feels like but I know what sitting on your leg awkwardly feels like...

 

[kittyinthedark]

goatboy: will you please shut up about sitting funny? some people do get leg pain or other pain from shrooms, as zillions of people have now attested to here. I have had it, my friends have had it, and I do not doubt that there is SOMETHING in SOME mushrooms that causes it.

as for the "lsd causes back pain" myth, i am quite surprised, because i had actually never heard of that "myth" before, and i was actually going to mention how lsd caused my bf severe back pain one time. So i'm not sure how that could be a myth seeing as it actually happened to someone who didn't know the myth existed, so there couldn't have been any placebo effect. And no, he wasn't sitting funny at all. He was standing/walking around for two hours, and then he lied down in bed for the rest of the night and the pain was actually worse after he lied down and it continued through the whole night. It seems to me it could be a legitimate problem. I've never experienced it, and it only happened once to my bf, but once is enough.

 

[FareWellToFashion]

2c-b

I get the ssame pain in the back of my legs from 2c-b

 

[vegan]

Nah, nothing to do with the psilocybin. It isn't a poison. It comes around 400 places lower than aspirin in the toxicity lists. LSD comes several thousand places lower.

and so?
because it's not lethal doesn't mean it's not active
and it's obviously very active if you judge the psychedelic effects
so if it can make your pupils dilate, you stomach ache, your jaw clench... it could very well have effects on other parts of the body legs too.

 

[jimbu]

or you could just be overtensing your muscles without realising it - because you're high. your muscle cramps, maybe you feel a slight pain, and the fact that you're tripping is going to alter your perceptions of this.

i'm sure many of us have had hallucinations of ... for example, maggots crawling out of our skin, or other random hallucinations. hallucinations are not just linked to our visual sense however! we can also have aural hallucinations and other sensory hallucinations/physical sensations - eg. pain where there is perhaps not/only minor pain.

it's most likely all in your head guys

of the chemicals found in analysed specimens of most psilocybin/psilocin containing mushrooms, most of them are not psychoactive (and if they are, not in the amounts that they are present in), except perhaps baeocystin(sp?). nor should any of these chemicals cause any physical sensations.

you're tripping guys, you're tripping.

 

[goatboy]

some people do get leg pain or other pain from shrooms, as zillions of people have now attested to here. I have had it, my friends have had it, and I do not doubt that there is SOMETHING in SOME mushrooms that causes it.

No, leg pains ISN'T testified to by zillions of people. I've heard of a handful of people saying they've experienced it - and even they don't get it every time they trip. I've certainly never had it and neither have any of my friends.

Zillions of people also say you can get high off banana peels. It's best not to take drug myths at face value.

So i'm not sure how that could be a myth seeing as it actually happened to someone who didn't know the myth existed

Back pain can be caused by sitting or moving in a way you arn't used to. So yes, it is entirely possible to get back pain after using LSD if you havn't heard the urban myth. The urban myth part is that LSD caused it.

It's like all the people who seem anxious to blame tripping for "bad headaches" too. Then you ask them how long they slept that night and they say "I was awake for about 25 hours". So you ask them "Do you think staying awake for 25 hours might've had something to do with the headache too?" and they look at you blankly.

I've never experienced it, and it only happened once to my bf, but once is enough.

No, once isn't enough. There are millions of people who get back pain who have never taken LSD. There are countless possible causes of it. Just because some guy gets back pain once after he's taken LSD does NOT mean LSD causes backpain.

it could very well have effects on other parts of the body legs too.

False logic. Some people find it difficult to digest mushrooms which may cause stomach ache. Just like if you eat a big dinner you may get stomach ache, or if you eat too much ice cream. This doesn't mean ice cream can also cause leg pain. If you ever get leg pain after eating ice cream do NOT sit there thinking "Ice Cream gave me stomach pain so it might've caused my leg pain". Go and see a doctor.

This seems to be a feature of illegal drugs - people wouldn't dream of saying "I had an aspirin and I got leg pain the next day... so aspirin must cause leg pain". But if it's an illegal drug they seem willing to believe it might have almost any effect from back pain to leg pain, to giving you the strength of 10 men, to breaking handcuffs with your bare hands, to driving you mad, to making you jump out of windows etc etc. It's bullshit.

 

[deroxor]

k... i asked if other people had this happen to them, i dont NEED to know if this DOESNT happen to you. i dont care about myths, Im not sittin on my fuckin legg all funny, i dont give a shit about LSD and backpain, what i want to know is if anybody els gets pains in body parts (Mostly leggs) from mushrooms. it could very well be all in my head, but it only hurts when i move. the pain IS THERE and i know wutever is causing it isnt poison... but it IS something. i dont see maggots crawling outta my skin or nothing, it only happens an hour into my trip and its only happend 2 times to me. as lots of people claim it has happend to them its must obviously be something.... maybe strain perhaps.... happens to me when i eat Cubensis soo far any ways. im not saying just because shrooms are illegal they give me legg pains, im saying when i eat them i get leg pains....please dont tell me im sitting on my leg wrong cuz i know i am NOT

 

[kinetic]

you might be sitting on it wrong

 

[vegan]

or you could just be overtensing your muscles without realising it

thanks for believing that other bluelighters are too stupid to realize they are tensing their muscles.

in the case of my right leg "pain", i've had it on even really slight amounts of lsd.
it increases with the amount taken
and is not correlated to what i do (laying down, standing up...)

if you're not willing to accept that some of us, because of how we experienced them, know that such pains are directly due to the drug, then you won't be helpful to this thread.

False logic

and your logic is?
that drugs can't have other effects than the main ones that everyone's aware of?
that you know better than us what we feel?
getting stomach pain after eating 2 mushrooms is not like after eating too much ice cream. it's the nature of the product, not its quantity, that creates the pain

if everytime i took aspirin i felt pain leg and could not find another logical explanation (such as having sat on my leg too long), then yes, i would believe that i have an allergy to aspirin

 

[goatboy]

maybe strain perhaps.... happens to me when i eat Cubensis soo far any ways.

All I can say is I've never heard of leg pain being a feature of cubensis use. And if a few grams of cubensis were toxic enough to cause leg pain then all the research saying you would need to eat pounds of mushrooms before you risked overdose must be wrong. If 3 grams causes intense leg pain, a pound sounds like it would probably kill you.

 

[goatboy]

thanks for believing that other bluelighters are too stupid to realize they are tensing their muscles

Nothing to do with being stupid. It's just the problem with self-diagnosis. It's notoriously inaccurate.

it increases with the amount taken

None of the published research backs this up tho. I've read thousands of trip reports, every book on LSD ever published, Hoffmans research. No-one ever says "LSD causes pains in the legs". If it did the law enforcement agencies would have jumped on this to say it's dangerous. LSD comes thousands of times lower than aspirin in the toxicity list. It's like someone coming to you and saying "I took aspirin and got leg pain". A doctor isn't going to start blaming the aspirin. He'll go through every other possibility imaginable before he blames the aspirin.

if you're not willing to accept that some of us, because of how we experienced them, know that such pains are directly due to the drug, then you won't be helpful to this thread.

I'm being helpful in telling you to look at every other possibility imaginable before blaming leg pains on mushrooms. You may have a serious illness.

that you know better than us what we feel?

You're missing the point. I'm sure you're feeling legpains. What I'm questioning is whether there's a poison in certain strains of cubensis that can somehow magically decide on certain occasions in certain people to cause "leg pain" while everyone else in history has never experienced it.

getting stomach pain after eating 2 mushrooms is not like after eating too much ice cream. it's the nature of the product, not its quantity, that creates the pain

You've never had an unsettled stomach after eating small amounts of any other food?

if everytime i took aspirin i felt pain leg and could not find another logical explanation (such as having sat on my leg too long), then yes, i would believe that i have an allergy to aspirin

But that isn't what's being said. What's being said here is more like if someone ate aspirin from a red packet and got leg pains but could eat aspirin from a blue packet and feel ok, aspirin is the cause of leg pain.

If you were allergic to psilocybin mushrooms you would get pains in your leg EVERY time you tripped.

 

[tri Komi]

Psilocybe mushrooms can make you sick if they are grown in a substrate which has been contaminated by mold or bacteria. Such shrooms are usually thrown away but some people could sell them anyway.

 

[vegan]

None of the published research backs this up tho

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no, there's no published research on the fact that the pain in my leg increases with the amount of lsd i take
wow, that's weird! i thought scientists would be more aware about my private life!

No-one ever says "LSD causes pains in the legs"

not even me
i didn't make any generalization
i said that every thime i take lsd i feel the same pain/sensation at the exact same place on the back of my right leg
i didn't even comment on the mushroom case
i gave my example to show that it seemed possible that some people have a degree of physical reaction to certain psychedelics

He'll go through every other possibility imaginable before he blames the aspirin

yes, it seems very wise when someone says "i get leg pain when and only when i take aspirin" to consider aspirin as the last cause possible and to reject the possibility of an allergy until every other option has failed 8)

while everyone else in history has never experienced it.

so you know every person who has ever consumed mushrooms?
cool
can you describe how i feel on mushrooms?
no you can't. cause people react differently and you don't know how i do
mushrooms (or other psychedelics) effects are far from being exhaustively docummentated.
maybe there even were in history cases of death by allergy to mushrooms, but we might not know about them
and maybe leg pain is a light symptom of allergy that hasn't been docummentated either because it might be rare
we don't know yet, but it's a possibility

how did it go before peanut allergy was established?
probably people kept saying "it can't be the peanut, no one dies of eating a peanut"

You've never had an unsettled stomach after eating small amounts of any other food?

stomach problems on a small amount of mushrooms is not uncommon at all wether on "any other food" they are rare among healthy people. it's the nature of the product that causes the uncomfort, not a random case of unsettled stomach.

If you were allergic to psilocybin mushrooms you would get pains in your leg EVERY time you tripped

maybe you'll realize that it's exactly what i said about my "pain" on lsd
thank you, bye

 

[vegan]

and about self-diagnosis, i believe tensing a muscle or sitting on your leg to the point that it hurts is something that a non-retarded person wouldn't need anyone else to point out

 

[goatboy]

no, there's no published research on the fact that the pain in my leg increases with the amount of lsd i take

There is however research on thousands of other people who took LSD in the 50's and 60's. Pain in the back of the right leg has never been noted as an effect of LSD use.

i said that every thime i take lsd i feel the same pain/sensation at the exact same place on the back of my right leg

And you really think LSD is so specific it can cause pain in a spot on the back of the RIGHT leg while it decides to leave the LEFT leg alone? Sorry, but it's 99% likely you got a pain in your leg once, immediately decided "It must be LSD" and have a psychosomatic reaction to it ever since.

yes, it seems very wise when someone says "i get leg pain when and only when i take aspirin" to consider aspirin as the last cause possible

Yes it is, because a pain in the leg with no other symptoms has never been noted as an effect of aspirin use.

reject the possibility of an allergy until every other option has failed

I have never heard of any allergy that causes a pain in the back of the right leg with no other effects. That simply isn't what an allergy does.

so you know every person who has ever consumed mushrooms?

No, but I've read enough of the history to know "pains in the back of the leg" have never been a noted feature of mushroom use. Maria Sabina never said to Wasson "Beware the pain in the back of your legs..."

maybe leg pain is a light symptom of allergy that hasn't been docummentated either because it might be rare

It could be that. It could also be a little green man from mars crawling up your trouser leg. But more likely you are dehydrated, moving or tensing your muscles in a different way and convincing yourself "LSD causes leg pain".

maybe there even were in history cases of death by allergy to mushrooms

How many deaths from mushrooms have been reported?

wether on "any other food" they are rare among healthy people.

Nah, i get worse stomach pains from eating a bag of candy than I do from mushrooms.

maybe you'll realize that it's exactly what i said about my "pain" on lsd

Yes but everyone else said they only get it SOMETIMES. You seem to be the only one who gets it every time, which I imagine is why you are the most fervent believer in the idea that "LSD causes pain in the back of one leg".

Take care.