Will i see a decent government before i die?

[Ismene2]

I voted for the first time in ages - we got 3 votes to the council, one green and two labour.

 

[Ddeeee]

I voted for the first time in ages - we got 3 votes to the council, one green and two labour.

Am I the only one who is worried things will get worse not better if Stamar goes? I dont agree with everything he has done but the problems this country has are not gonna be fixed overnight and anyone who promises that should not be trusted. imo. A lot of people I know who are from college/uni and not on the road are voting green but I dont know what to make of them(the greens).

 

[Ismene2]

Yeah im not convinced zack knows much about economics after rory stewart sank his fangs into him but i would like greener policies at the local level

 

[Ddeeee]

Yeah im not convinced zack knows much about economics after rory stewart sank his fangs into him but i would like greener policies at the local level

I just think the problem is people expect the problems we have to be solved in a few years but its the short term plans that politicians do to please people and gain votes is a big part of the problem. as for the Zak guy I dunno what to make of him but a close friend of mine and all her friends are all voting green and loyal green members and its the same among a lot of people especially students I haven't paid much attention to the greens but my family have been voting labour all their life.

Still as long as the tories or reform(or the greater conservatives party as I like to call them) don't get in I will be happy and not to worried about some idiot fucking up the country. Something I did notice though was old rishi was sly and called an election early.. why did he do this? because he knew the country was fucked and they had fucked it up in fact most of our problems were caused by the tories and inherited by labour who I feel unfairly get blamed,

And then theirs the matter of these youtubers who get paid to make videos like "the west has fallen" and for some reason they all love to focus on the uk using words like "no go zones" but if you look at the statistics(the real statistics) crime in london is the LOWEST it has been in over ten years, but sadly most people don't bother to cross reference and check sources when these right wing idiots make these claims I could go on and on but yeah I am worried about this countries future.. but atleast I have lived out the first half of my life.. by the time im done things will be different but nothing like what the future generations will have to cope with. God help the future generations..

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

So it was a massive win for the Greens here; nobody came close. Labour were a distant second.

Happily, Reform were pathetic. They were even soundly beaten by the Workers Party! And the Lib Dems got a grand total of 68 votes. Which is over 200 less than the independent candidate.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Yet again the concept of Accelerationism in the far-right school raises it's head & most people who I have just read have no idea what they are actually wanting.
I guess I have spent way too long on weird parts on The Internet reading stuff I should have kept away from.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Nick Land even back at Bristol University was right, shame he went mad & ran to hide in China but even then his rantings from his Digital Cave are 50% correct.
We were warned but nobody wanted to listen.

 

[Bleaney]

Yeah im not convinced zack knows much about economics after rory stewart sank his fangs into him but i would like greener policies at the local level

There's quite a movement building up in favour of taxing wealth more heavily, rather than continually taxing workers wages more heavily, spearheaded by Gary Stevenson in his youtube broadcasts, Gary's Economics. He was the top city trader for a period, having previously studied economics at undergraduate degree level at the London School of Economics, and then at phd level, getting an MPhil in Economics at the University of Oxford.

He comes from a working class background.

Rory Stewart has dismissed everything he says as "class anger", convincingly arguably due to Rory Stewart's own inherent biases due to him being blinded by his own (upper / or at least upper-middle) class privilege, - Eton, Oxbridge, Cabinet Minister etc etc.

The Greens are working with Gary Stevenson. I believe he's correct that Rory Stewart's own vested interests in not wanting wealth taxes, lead him to dismiss those that do, dismissing those people as engaging in class war and having issues with "class anger" etc.

The exact same view that Jacob Rees-Mogg adopts. No surprise he's anti-wealth tax. With his father being a Lord, and him being heir to vast estate no doubt. Of course such people are going to oppose such a radical shake up on wealth taxes. They are the ones who have most to loose, if there was any degree of wealth levelling to be done.

Is he using the same kind of arguments against Polanski?

Rory Stuart even said that Gary Stevenson wasn't qualified in economics, nor was he an economist, which was a total lie that he later had to apologise for. Stevenson is in fact more highly qualified than Stewart who only has an undergrad degree. And was somehow awarded some honorary doctorship or professorship, not because of any thing he did to merit that, in terms of academically qualifying for it.

There's a number of different people coming out in favour of Gary Stevenson. The main thing is that the Greens are adopting his position on tackling wealth inequality. The whole thing has been brewing up for a few months. I've just started following it, these last few weeks.

tl;dr Rory Stewart is biased in favour of the status quo due to his own class priviledge and vested interests. This prevents him from having any truly objective view on such subjects. He doesn't even have the self-awareness to see that. I don't believe his opinion is the be all and end all. He was a Tory minister. Even if generally seen as a relatively soft and kind Tory (who also smoked opium on his 'gap year' shock horror). But still a Tory.

 

[Ismene2]

I do like the idea of taxing the rich but there's a generation of labour politicians who have forgotten anything other than free market economics - and I think immigration is going to drown out anything else for a few years yet. By the time people realise its not migration its wealth inequality the country will have been fleeced.

Reform even took barnsley council. I dont think council elections translate to genereal elections - they never used to anyway

 

[shabih]

Depeneds on how old u are because immortality awaits us all in the afterlife

 

[shabih]

Absolutely bro, why would u doubt the democracy, that is the path to hell my friend

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

after rory stewart sank his fangs into him

How can Rory be a bad guy? I was going to vote for that guy.
HE has smoked Opium in the Afghan Hills with Peswhar Warlords at their Camp, that to me says his a good guy.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Well it sure looks like Kier is going & it cannot be sooner imho, I sure didn't vote for Tory or Labour at the last Election.

I just really am worried that frog-faced, "Gimme 5 million quid" CUNT Farage & his Cult will get some kind of control & all the poor people who do really seem inbred to me with their bleating call of "Stop the boats" will really learn what Reform are about, these are the same people who wanted Thatcher gone YET they want Farage in power, it's fucking insanity to me.

I never expected to be speaking Bokmal yesterday to an Iraqi-Kurd & flipping from Norwegian to Kurdish in a second then swearing in Punjabi at someone else who said a bad word about us, just goes to show you just because a Kurd / Iraqi-kurd has come over "on a boat" you know fuck all about their history or anything about their life, this one Kurd had lived in North Norway & had dual citizenship to The UK & Norway, how that is even possible I don't know but it is.

 

[Ismene2]

How can Rory be a bad guy? I was going to vote for that guy.
HE has smoked Opium in the Afghan Hills with Peswhar Warlords at their Camp, that to me says his a good guy.

Yeah I love Rory but he did have a go at him - tho Zacj got the deficit and the debt mixed up.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I am being serious here @Shambles
You remember when the Tory Election was on & they were all coming out to admit to taking drugs? Well Rory went one better & when he was part of some U.N. Aid to the Afghan people & was living in Kabul in a secure U.N. Compound he was asked to be guest of honour at a wedding, turned out it was a Warlords Daughter & he smoked Opium in the Afghan Hills, he openly admitted this.

Rory Stewart​

Stewart told the Telegraph last week he had smoked opium in Afghanistan at a wedding. “I was invited into the house, the opium pipe was passed around at a wedding,” he said, adding that the family may have been so poor that they put very little opium into the pipe.

High Tories: how the leadership candidates' drug pasts compare

Michael Gove’s cocaine confession has prompted his rivals to also come clean

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bleaney]

That story surfacing at the same time as he was a candidate for a tory leadership content almost certainly fucked up any chance he might have had of winning.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

That story surfacing at the same time as he was a candidate for a tory leadership content almost certainly probably fucked up any chance he might have had of winning.

Can you picture the typical Country living Tory type who goes Fox hunting, wears a Harris Tweed jacket hearing that on The BBC1 News at 7am, they would choke on their Cornflakes.

I've always been a bit of a fan, I've seen the guy interviewed several times & for a Tory his good by me, I was actually going to vote for him if he had beaten Boris at the time, I'd prefer to spoil my Vote than to put a cross next to any fackin' muppet but imho Rory is ok.

 

[Shambles]

I am being serious here @Shambles
You remember when the Tory Election was on & they were all coming out to admit to taking drugs? Well Rory went one better & when he was part of some U.N. Aid to the Afghan people & was living in Kabul in a secure U.N. Compound he was asked to be guest of honour at a wedding, turned out it was a Warlords Daughter & he smoked Opium in the Afghan Hills, he openly admitted this.

Rory Stewart​

Stewart told the Telegraph last week he had smoked opium in Afghanistan at a wedding. “I was invited into the house, the opium pipe was passed around at a wedding,” he said, adding that the family may have been so poor that they put very little opium into the pipe.

High Tories: how the leadership candidates' drug pasts compare

Michael Gove’s cocaine confession has prompted his rivals to also come clean

www.theguardian.com

I know he did. Man’s still a prize plum and utter bootlicker though.

 

[Bleaney]

I know he did. Man’s still a prize plum and utter bootlicker though.

For me, he's definitely on the wrong side of the argument, when it comes to wealth inequality, and him being staunchly against, to the point of totally dismissing and ridiculing, and completely failing to even understand, any proposals to increase taxation on wealth.

So far, I've only seen snippets of his show in relation to the 'feud' with the left wing economist Gary Stevenson, but I probably should watch a bit more of it, to see what he has to say about other things.

It'll probably only re-enforce the view I've already come to, and that is along the same lines as yours, Mr S. I think he's definitely a 'nice guy', but it's his politics that I have issues with .

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

So it looks like Burnham's definitely going for it. He's achieved being media friendly and also left of centre (not easy), but not left enough to put off all of middle England, where the votes are decided.

I'd cite Blair, but hopefully that won't be appropriate.