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Heroin Is heroin dying out?? Losing popularity?

helpingout said:
But when you do decide to take your life back, if you’re lucky enough to have opportunity to do so, the emptiness you filled your life with leaves a lot of room for some really awesome experiences.
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This may be the case for you, but I haven't been able to actually "do" heroin in years & years & I haven't had any "awesome experiences" because of it.
Maybe for those who were being drained financially from their addictions, then yeah.... But I rarely had to pay for my stuff.
In fact, life feels more boring than ever. You get older. The people you love start dying. Health starts going down the drain. Everyone's too busy working to hang out or do anything anymore.

And I've found that my quality of life is worse without it. Waking up every day with a back so fucked up that I'm basically the Hunchback of Notre Dame for the first 5hrs of consciousness. Fibromyalgia pain all day, every day. No motivation. No drive. No creativity. What other awesome experiences? I had more fun experiences when I was doing heroin versus now. I can even look back at my music history from 2001 to the present day & I can tell the years & albums I was on heroin or tramadol. Because I'd make 50 different albums that year & still had my creative drive. Now I'm lucky if I make one album a year. The older you get, the less "novel" everything is & the less anyone wants to do anything or "have experiences", in my experience (for a lack of a better term). That's not to say I haven't had ANY good times without it, but it's been 7-8 years now since my heroin dealer went to prison for murder. And here I am still nostalgic for all my days on heroin & tramadol, even after 8 years.

I've been pretty much living the same day on repeat ever since I quit heroin. And it sucks. My brain feels like it's gone into a permanent slumber that can only be awoken by diacetylmorphine.

Also, having heroin or good opioids to use kept me from drinking. Now THAT'S a drug where life will get a lot better if you quit it. Alcohol is worse in every sort of way from the loss of coordination & impulse control to being obnoxious & violent, to the hangover & damages it does to your liver & brain over time.
 
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DeathIndustrial88 said:
This may be the case for you, but I haven't been able to actually "do" heroin in years & years & I haven't had any "awesome experiences" because of it.
Maybe for those who were being drained financially from their addictions, then yeah.... But I rarely had to pay for my stuff.
In fact, life feels more boring than ever. You get older. The people you love start dying. Health starts going down the drain. Everyone's too busy working to hang out or do anything anymore.

And I've found that my quality of life is worse without it. Waking up every day with a back so fucked up that I'm basically the Hunchback of Notre Dame for the first 5hrs of consciousness. Fibromyalgia pain all day, every day. No motivation. No drive. No creativity. What other awesome experiences? I had more fun experiences when I was doing heroin versus now. I can even look back at my music history from 2001 to the present day & I can tell the years & albums I was on heroin or tramadol. Because I'd make 50 different albums that year & still had my creative drive. Now I'm lucky if I make one album a year. The older you get, the less "novel" everything is & the less anyone wants to do anything or "have experiences", in my experience (for a lack of a better term). That's not to say I haven't had ANY good times without it, but it's been 7-8 years now since my heroin dealer went to prison for murder. And here I am still nostalgic for all my days on heroin & tramadol, even after 8 years.

I've been pretty much living the same day on repeat ever since I quit heroin. And it sucks. My brain feels like it's gone into a permanent slumber that can only be awoken by diacetylmorphine.

Also, having heroin or good opioids to use kept me from drinking. Now THAT'S a drug where life will get a lot better if you quit it. Alcohol is worse in every sort of way from the loss of coordination & impulse control to being obnoxious & violent, to the hangover & damages it does to your liver & brain over time.
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Yeah man I stopped addictive heroin use but I just go harder on the alcohol now because I STILL need a mental crutch to cope with the unreasonable shit life has been throwing at me increasingly.

I will probably die of liver failure before anything else, and in fact probably die BEFORE getting any sort of a break.
Not even mentioning I require major surgery in order to have ANY basic quality of life, that I will likely never afford. I am going to die still waiting for life to start. Just let me take heroin at whatever amount and frequency I choose at this point FFS I just need the pointless suffering to end
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
Yeah man I stopped addictive heroin use but I just go harder on the alcohol now because I STILL need a mental crutch to cope with the unreasonable shit life has been throwing at me increasingly.

I will probably die of liver failure before anything else, and in fact probably die BEFORE getting any sort of a break.
Not even mentioning I require major surgery in order to have ANY basic quality of life, that I will likely never afford. I am going to die still waiting for life to start. Just let me take heroin at whatever amount and frequency I choose at this point FFS I just need the pointless suffering to end
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They'll probably legalize euthanasia before they'll let people just take heroin legally.

I'm sorry to hear you're going through all of that man. It's bullshit! This is your one & only life & you should be allowed to enjoy your time here in this world, even if it means having to take diacetylmorphine to do it. But alas, society's ignorance triumphs over our personal liberties I guess.

My best friend is an alcoholic & she's the same way. If she had a good opioid to take every day, she could easily stop drinking. But instead she'll probably die of liver failure (just like my sister, who was a life-long alcoholic) by her 40's or 50's.

Being on Suboxone has helped me kick drinking. Unfortunately Suboxone still sucks ass as far as having an opioid goes, but it does something to me that makes me not wanna drink. Plus the time I've had off from drinking allowed me to step back & look at alcohol objectively. And I've learned that I've never truly liked the "buzz"alcohol has to offer, I was always just using it because I had nothing else & it was "legal".

I tried to drink champaign on my birthday recently (cause I had no good drugs). And after 2 sips, it was like I immediately remembered what being drunk felt like & felt dehydrated & gross, so I dumped it out.

I know there's nothing I can say or do to make your situation better, but you definitely have some one here on the other side of the world that empathizes & feels for you!
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
They'll probably legalize euthanasia before they'll let people just take heroin legally.

I'm sorry to hear you're going through all of that man. It's bullshit! This is your one & only life & you should be allowed to enjoy your time here in this world, even if it means having to take diacetylmorphine to do it. But alas, society's ignorance triumphs over our personal liberties I guess.

My best friend is an alcoholic & she's the same way. If she had a good opioid to take every day, she could easily stop drinking. But instead she'll probably die of liver failure (just like my sister, who was a life-long alcoholic) by her 40's or 50's.

Being on Suboxone has helped me kick drinking. Unfortunately Suboxone still sucks ass as far as having an opioid goes, but it does something to me that makes me not wanna drink. Plus the time I've had off from drinking allowed me to step back & look at alcohol objectively. And I've learned that I've never truly liked the "buzz"alcohol has to offer, I was always just using it because I had nothing else & it was "legal".

I tried to drink champaign on my birthday recently (cause I had no good drugs). And after 2 sips, it was like I immediately remembered what being drunk felt like & felt dehydrated & gross, so I dumped it out.

I know there's nothing I can say or do to make your situation better, but you definitely have some one here on the other side of the world that empathizes & feels for you!
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Cheers mate! ❤️

PS I actually do absolutely think euthanasia should be legal everywhere for conditions which are terminal, have no cure, there is only one outcome and that is prolonging unreasonable suffering before the inevitable end.
 
Agreed ^ But dying is expensive and big business -- never happen in the US --- Oregon? I heard something but i dont follow the issue closely
 
I have done every drug under the sun and have had some issues with addiction coke etc

Heroin is something I have never done. I have really never seen it or been in those circles.

Oxycodone and injectable Morphine I don't like so much anymore due to nausea etc

Is Heroin similar or just another level or what?
 
garygroundwork said:
Is Heroin similar or just another level or what?
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Heroin is closer in feeling to morphine (as it is a pro-drug for rapidly acting morphine) than it would be to oxycodone.
Although heroin has more active metabolites that make it more euphoric than morphine.

I think the codones are a lot different subjectively than heroin, but for some one who doesn't use, just about any opioid is gonna give you nausea.

If you can't handle the nausea, just take it as a good thing. You avoided getting a dependence. It goes away, but only after you become dependent or use them all the time. Once you're a long term user, nausea is pretty rare. As is the itching & other side effects. Plus if you're a seasoned pharmacology junkie, there's plenty of easy over-the-counter ways to battle that side effect, from Benadryl to Dramamine to ginger tea.


TheUltimateFixx said:
PS I actually do absolutely think euthanasia should be legal everywhere for conditions which are terminal, have no cure, there is only one outcome and that is prolonging unreasonable suffering before the inevitable end.
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Oh I agree it should be too! Definitely!
I've seen some countries offering it for severe depression & mental health problems.
So I thought it'd be ironic that they'd offer the option to off yourself before letting you try a drug like heroin, which might improve your mood or at least give you some quality of life on this shitty planet for awhile. But alas, I digress.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Oh I agree it should be too! Definitely!
I've seen some countries offering it for severe depression & mental health problems.
So I thought it'd be ironic that they'd offer the option to off yourself before letting you try a drug like heroin, which might improve your mood or at least give you some quality of life on this shitty planet for awhile. But alas, I digress.
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You know, we offer euthanasia to fucking DOGS.

We literally have more compassion for our pets than our own kind.

With any animal, we can instantly see that any treatment that CANNOT actually cure, but only extend life span at the cost of tremendous suffering, is immoral because it inflicts unnecessary pain.

For our fellow humans apparently, the reverse is true. It is perfectly fine to inflict ANY amount of suffering so long as we prolong life by one more day.

From what I gather, it is acceptable to the medical establishment to let you die of thirst ('withdrawing life support' is not seen as 'active' killing), which is a prolonged and painful death with conscious suffering, while not permitting you to die by lethal injection, a swift and painless death with minimal subjective suffering; just because the drugs are administered with the express purpose of ending life, while withdrawing fluids and nutrients are seen as a more passive cop-out.

"You don't add the thing that ends life, you merely withdraw the thing that sustains life" as though that is somehow morally better.

Make that make sense.
 
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TheUltimateFixx said:
I don't think it's as simplistic as that. It seems more tied to an idea that life at any cost is automatically ALWAYS better.
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The paradigm of survival is true on the level of the individual in that every healthy individual wants to survive. But when we apply that paradigm to the other it is often indistinguishable from causing another’s suffering in that what we would put someone else through in the name of survival is often hardly what we would wish for out of life for ourselves or those we love.
 
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IMHO, they should bring back the Nembutal/Tuinal and other similar barbiturates that they had in the 70s. Allow doctors to write scripts for them. 100 count. Then, we wouldn't have to worry about it, we'd all have our own personal supply of something that would bring about a painless end, and no one would be any the wiser.
 
It was and steady declining here till ...

Somewhere in the 90 ties pharmaceutical Heroin was being prescribed under big restrictions. Following the Swiss model, where there also was a epidemic of people using att. Clean needle programs were introduced HR and substitution therapy started. The goal improving health & life quality. And decreasing the nuisance that junk life presented to the Netherlands. Like in the previous video on the Amsterdam scene when Opium dens disappeared and Heroin was introduced.
https://www.vice.com/nl/article/all...ie-ze-gratis-van-de-gemeente-hebben-gekregen/

Preceded by trial s using oral DextroMoramide/ Palfium and/ or Methadon. "Two Mangoes project" detailed in the link @4DQSAR provided. [in the 98 edition of the FarmacotherapeutischKompas the former was still there but discouraged in use]
https://www.bluelight.org/community...um-in-the-treatment-of-opiate-addicts.947865/

But on the article translated the interesting part of. "Karien de Ridder of the GGD/ Governmental Mental health gave me a tour. The waiting room looks like any municipal office in the Netherlands. On the monitor the freshly called number. Injecting or smoking three times a day, in a Spartan decorated room. Drugs that have been synthesized in a lab, purer than what they have ever smoked or injected before."

Health and life quality greatly improved. Prostitution and crime rates dropped. For pretty long the amount of people using the drug declined steady. And the use of IV very noticeably, most switched to chasing the dragon. So what started as epidemic of intravenous users. OD s, health implications, prostitution and criminalization. :)
"In 1992, more than a million needles were exchanged. In 2013, there were fewer than 200,000."

A good watch is this YT of a Pharmacy lady that after seeing the sale of eye drops going up. Addicts according to her used these when in desperation. Cut up a vain and used the dropper to H. in. [Is that actually possible someone just recently mentioned using the same procedure wit a different drug]
till about 4:00 further on she states ladies doing prostitution. Another part of her clientele were the Pimps, female kind. Most emancipated woman of her time. Henny Rasker

Ghalid: Hanging under a bridge smoking some base Coke near the place he smokes Heroin 3 X day sharp. “I don't have to steal anymore. I used to be caught stealing a DVD player and a very large stereo. Only from large stores, otherwise I thought it was pathetic. But none of that is necessary anymore. My life is much more stable." and the a metion s "For my daughter."Johan "You're hanging on Nipple of Mental Healthcare" he says. "They make it way too easy." Dennis Lahey, Interest group for drug users "The government often pretends that it is plutonium. But it's just heroin." But unlikle Methadon or Oxycodon no take home, only on site. Most of the people that started in the program are in grand daddy/ mommy age.

Governement Mental Heath care has a whole protocol. Nice one, they do also use Buprenorphine. They state a.o. "When putting together the optimal combination of methadone and heroin [smoked or IV-ed], as much as possible should be based on existing dosage of methadone with an optimal amount of methadone added to the Heroin is divided into 1-3 doses per day. 9 At the beginning of the treatment, the patients are instructed about the method of injection, or inhalation." From: https://www.ggzstandaarden.nl/api/v2/tools/42b7a13c-9189-4e31-abf1-177215096771/file

Watched a video on a older lady that been taking Herion on site daily. Cant re-find it [wishful thinking] so ll post later.
 
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It's so stepped on now with other stuff I bet most new age basic heroin users have never done real china white like I use to get back in the 90's.
 
There are lots of relatable experiences posted in this thread (especially the difficulty in 'filling the void' left after getting off opiates, and turning to alcohol). The whole idea that life must be preserved at any cost, is a weird one to me. I agree with the idea that it's always seen, automatically, as the better option. Below there are some lyrics from the legendary band "Death" (because I am still an edgy teen even as I turn into an old man OK?).

They'll probably legalize euthanasia before they'll let people just take heroin legally.
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It seems more tied to an idea that life at any cost is automatically ALWAYS better.
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When it comes to living
No one seems to care
But when it comes to wanting out
Those with power
Will be there

Prolong the pain
How long will it last?
Suicide machine
 
As someone else said. It’s cheaper than I’ve seen it in as long as I remember and there’s seemingly also, so much around.

I’ve been wondering the same thing the past couple of years and if I’m being honest, I’m seeing a bit of an uptick in people using it and a lot of those people seem to be younger and from the crowds that wouldn’t have necessarily been dabbling with it in years prior.

I was telling my partner the other week that I think another wave might be on its way.
 
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