• 🇺🇸󠁿 🇧🇷 🇨🇦 🇦🇷 🇲🇽 🇹🇹 🇨🇺
    The Americas
    Drug Discussion

    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • NSADD Moderators: tryptakid

Trigger Warning What triggered the opioid epidemic in the US

Yeah, well as a pain patient, I am pissed at what Obama started.
deficiT said:
True, but I don't think it's merely about "control" anymore. Very soon they will be cutting Medicaid funding for lots of essential products such as CPAP and diabetes treatment, amongst tons of other stuff.

This will potentially kill hundreds of thousands of people every single year. It was pretty easy to do this to chronic pain sufferers, because they can just be demonized as "junkies" who deserve whatever fate befalls them.

It's pretty obvious that the US government is going full eliminationist mode and is going to vaporize a huge amount of the population.
Click to expand...
They already have. Open boarders and illegal fentanyl and then traq dope.
 
Jnowhere said:
Yeah, well as a pain patient, I am pissed at what Obama started.

They already have. Open boarders and illegal fentanyl and then traq dope.
Click to expand...
I'm not sure it will ever be more obvious that the US government, both parties, are the problem, not immigrants and foreigners.

The government and the billionaires that control it are the terrorists, and they are to blame for all of the chaos and deteriorating material conditions.
 
Drugs not being legal and regulated?

Opiates being pretty damn awesome (subjectively - but doctors labeled morphine "Gods Own Medicine" for reasons...

Televised Pharmaceutical commercials (Only the US does that "Oxycontin ask for it by name" -- good shite)

The recent outburst of overdoses becoming like the #1 cause of death and super extreme shit -- Fentanyl --- So again drug laws as fentanyl exists cuz you can smuggle more and is scentless. ( I don't see fentanyl being developed if they never made opium illegal )

Dubious doctors and patients -- see "Pill Mills"

Simple supply and demand.

There are alot of reasons but if I had to pick one I would say "Souped up opioids" (Including hydro, oxycodone ) Even Heroin was invented as "Morphine methadone" / addiction cure which is ACTUALLY WORSE. (A cycle that still continues to this day)

The reasons are numerous. Why people care so much what another person puts in their body (Within reason, more behavior than choice of substance) is what baffles me
 
Yeah, millions of crack heads stealing to provide for their habit would be great. Oh, the same thing for many other drugs.

Yeah, legalization is a problem that would ruin this country. But At least I have the resources to get out of the mess that only morons would create.

But considering that the dems causes the war on prescription opiods and the republicans put up no fight. That ain't going on.
 
I care if people steal. That is a different crime completely. Thieves are a bit of a pet peeve actually. Smoke crack if thats what you wanna.....steal something you still get arrested.
(You know more based on your behavior than what you consume, some ppl drink and beat they wives. BAD. Some people have a drink before bed or after work. WHO CARES)

I do not understand the logic of legalization "ruining the country" but why argue over a hypothetical.

Please present evidence that "The dems" caused the war on prescription opioids.

The xylazine gets added after the US border --- look for cartel seizures on the mexican side of the border contaminated with xylazine. There are not many ( I wanna say none but that is USUALLY a mistake )
 
Jnowhere said:
I agree, and the sad part is it both sides of the political isle. Yes the dems started this under Obama but the republicans didn't fight it.

Then the illegal Fent. started to wipe out out opiod and other users.

Conspiracy: What do you question the the JFK assassination? LMAO. Of course, this is about control and the government would rather tens of millions suffer; than ruin their plan of total control of the population
Click to expand...
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
Drugs not being legal and regulated?

Opiates being pretty damn awesome (subjectively - but doctors labeled morphine "Gods Own Medicine" for reasons...

Televised Pharmaceutical commercials (Only the US does that "Oxycontin ask for it by name" -- good shite)

The recent outburst of overdoses becoming like the #1 cause of death and super extreme shit -- Fentanyl --- So again drug laws as fentanyl exists cuz you can smuggle more and is scentless. ( I don't see fentanyl being developed if they never made opium illegal )

Dubious doctors and patients -- see "Pill Mills"

Simple supply and demand.

There are alot of reasons but if I had to pick one I would say "Souped up opioids" (Including hydro, oxycodone ) Even Heroin was invented as "Morphine methadone" / addiction cure which is ACTUALLY WORSE. (A cycle that still continues to this day)

The reasons are numerous. Why people care so much what another person puts in their body (Within reason, more behavior than choice of substance) is what baffles me
Click to expand...
Ever wonder if the crisis we are currently facing was manufactured? People are much more easily manipulated when they are doped up and/or suffering through a crippling addiction. No one has the time or energy to question, let alone protest.

IMO the "war on drugs" is just a war on the lower classes. If all drugs were legal and regulated, not only would the black market and the toxic drug supply dissipate in time, but studies time and again have shown that the number of addicts goes DOWN. Yet here we are in 2026, where people's flesh is rotting from the poison in the unregulated drug supply and the US media isn't really talking about it.
 
Damnit_Wonda said:
Ever wonder if the crisis we are currently facing was manufactured? People are much more easily manipulated when they are doped up and/or suffering through a crippling addiction. No one has the time or energy to question, let alone protest.

IMO the "war on drugs" is just a war on the lower classes. If all drugs were legal and regulated, not only would the black market and the toxic drug supply dissipate in time, but studies time and again have shown that the number of addicts goes DOWN. Yet here we are in 2026, where people's flesh is rotting from the poison in the unregulated drug supply and the US media isn't really talking about it.
Click to expand...

Yes -- well quit wondering and decided it was in fact manufactured. See "Thorazine zombies", SSRI's I think kinda same thing lesser extent. Suffering through a crippling addiction about ensures you end up paying the gov money - jail, death, rehab, w/e way you go.

I also agree it is a war on the lower classes and with everything you said after it.

If people understood fully how much fent/tranqdope alone has been dropping and ruining people they would --- well should say give em the damn heroin back -- instead they say go to rehab (Support big pharma!)
 
I didn't quite understand the full scope of it all until I went to a rehab facility for the first time. It was such a horrific experience. I voluntarily put myself in one because I didn't know what else to do but I had no health insurance or job at that time.

My misconceptions about rehabs were huge. I thought it was going to be like some sort of retreat. Or at least like a place where I might be able to get sober and stay sober. Wrong.

Staying sober while in there was easy for me. I have a "good" look about me. That automatically makes it harder to find drugs because no one offers them to you. ( I also wasn't looking because I was there to get clean, so that might have helped too). While there, I ended up making some friends and come to learn that most people do not stay sober after leaving rehabs and that I was one of 3 women out 50 ladies that had never been to one before. I think I may have been on out of 10 who didn't come directly from a drug program from one of the county jails.

I was shocked by how heavily AA or NA was pushed on people, especially because much research has shown both to be ineffective at treating addicts long term. I was also shocked at how unkept the facility was and how bad and unhealthy the food was. I have never been to jail, but being in there felt close. I'm sure jail/prison actually a lot worse though.
 
^Sorry bout the experience. You should check out the "Blackmarket" episode called "The great american rehab scheme" -- They are straight up stealing and traficking ppl for there insurance money *usually natives in AZ and homeless folk from a few places*

They have pushed me into rehab twice -- first time I was a sucker and took the courts program, actually managed to get the lady running it fired, err teaching it and there was no replacement.

The second time I went to a sub doctor before court and got that counted as rehab because sometimes you can do that (apparently)

Not a happy place though -- probation was bad enough for me.....Actually probation is when big pharma got me with benzos. I say got me...I needed the sleep Im not complaining too much. ( I had weed I would not have needed them to begin with though )
 
A couple of decades ago I asked a few people in the US how opioids were being prescribed. It seemed as if the sheer size of prescriptions was crazy.

It took me decades to get appropriate medication and by 'appropriate' I do not mean pain free. Just enough so I could so simple things such as WALK.

But the doses prescribed in the UK (for the same conditions) were less than half that a US citizen would expect. For many conditions, non-opioids would be prescribed.

I do NOT find my medication in any way 'fun' and if an option existed, I would choose the option. It was only after a surgeon mentioned that amputation was an option... but might NOT stop the pain that I finally caved in. IF it was sure to end the pain, fine. But losing the limb with no way of knowing if it would help? Would you take that risk?
 
^This checks out -- the US has historically been a high dose, jump to the strongest thing type of country. (4mg melatonins, why?)

Baffle's me a bit when ppl say the US is opiate dry -- non-fented heroin dry sure, but I know ppl with what seem like damn large opi scripts
 
mauve said:
What in your opinion is the root cause of the current opioid epidemic in the US?
Click to expand...
You know it could be as simple as the US government has pissed off the Chinese communist party government that much the CCP gets it's kicks out of destabilizing major US cities to the point that the people of these cities have such sour public sentiment towards everyone from law enforcement to Mexicans people want a scapegoat and it is inevitable someone like Trump gets into power. All due to the soical destruction fent is causing.

Hear me out cos IMO and i know it sounds far fetched but who else could you blame for fent flooding the US? the Chinese are causing US social decay by stealth .
 
Last edited:
Ok I know there is more to it than that

Yes big pharma has a lot to answer for with the oxy fiasco but if all these pain patients were switching to proper heroin things would not be so dire in the US.

And I will add for example in my hometown the second largest city in Australia we have nothing but real China white No 4 heroin straight from the golden triangle. Fent is pretty much unheard of.

Why does Australia still have proper heroin two reasons, first the Australian government hasn't pissed off Beijing anyway as near as much as Washington has.

Second reason, a large segment of the Aussie heroin using population is Vietnamese and ethnically Chinese and without a doubt the main players in the aussie heroin scene whether that be either importing from SEA or selling the shit wholesale or at a street level involves the Vietnamese and the Chinese communities.

Think about it would the Vietnamese-Australian heroin distributers and dealers buying their gear off Hong Kong Chinese want to poison and kill their own people?

At least that's how I see it.
 
Last edited:
There certainly is but that may be true also --- "Pissed off the chinese gov" When are they happy with us lol that musta been awhile ago...

None the less it is (all but) factual that chinese chemists are working with mexican cartels as it is a symbiotic. Both get more money situation.

I can blame the US for having insane drug laws that leave like 30%ish of ppl incarcerated on drug crimes.

Upon second glance that # is roughly accurate in fed prison %50. (for obvious reasons RICO, state lines, etc) but not so accurate in state prison, drops to about 15% -- 25% jail, but i trust that one less.

Leave us with the highest incarceration rate.
(Those are your tax dollars republican friends!)
 
Last edited:
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
^This checks out -- the US has historically been a high dose, jump to the strongest thing type of country. (4mg melatonins, why?)

Baffle's me a bit when ppl say the US is opiate dry -- non-fented heroin dry sure, but I know ppl with what seem like damn large opi scripts
Click to expand...

Did you know that a lot of Z-drugs are being sold from Eastern European nations where they are not [POM]s?

The twist? Zolpidem 20mg, zopiclone 25mg and so on. Quite ridiculously large doses. IMO Z-drugs and alcohol both reveal the true character of the user, for good or for ill.

I only know of one person who buys them but she drinks vodka on top of multiple pills and has accidents, often serious. I mean every couple of months. We are already preparing to hear she's killed herself by falling down the stairs (or whatever). There IS a limit to intervention and you have to accept that if you do HR work, you will inevitably see people die. Last Christmas we lost two due to polydrug intoxication. That just a couple of months after a third was murdered.
 
20 mgs is 2 tens thats not so high (well for me at least...)

Yea it is hard enough to not become one of the people that die! Z drugs are a no go for me because of the horrible blackouts -- the metal taste wasnt great either but marginal compared to blackouts.

Shit I know a girl I went to elementary all the way through college with, became a doctor (Had her shit way more together than most of us if that wasnt implied) than fell down a staircase and died. Shocks me to this day --- idk if substances were involved.

I have seen alot of people go but like you see with those people, there is usually a period you see it coming, try and talk em back off the ledge....get told to fuck off and than just kinda wait and hope it works out...and it doesn't. This one hit different. Not because of her education btw, the Dr dont mean shit but an example of the type of person.....couldnta been more than 35
 
mauve said:
What in your opinion is the root cause of the current opioid epidemic in the US?
Click to expand...
I’m from Florida and was in high school from 2009-2013. I remember 2011 specifically being a huge year for the pill mills in my area and therefore they started passing laws around then to restrict it. I lived in a small island community but the areas around had a lot of poverty. There was the recreational use aspect although a lot of people just saw it as a business model because it was so profitable. Many would doctor shop and go to northern states to sell it. It became its own microeconomy for a couple years, but now the area has transitioned to be more of a meth hotspot.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top