Frustrated at the current limited range of drugs available in the UK - Early 2026

[placebonaut]

I almost exclusively by from DNMs, but don't really get the range of things I'd like to try. Is this always the case? I've used some telegram sellers but prefer DNMs with escrow and a veil of reviews I can look at, but if anything telegram seems to be even worse than DNMs.

There are some things I'd like to try that just never seem to appear anywhere e.g. kava, etizolam, kratom, phenibut.

I know I could buy kratom as a "natural hair dye" product from abroad, but that still seems risky.

only been back in the scene for 12 months, are things always so restrictive in the UK?

 

[Mjäll]

Kratom got classed this year where i live and i don't expect it to pop up on black markets when there are so much more potent opioids.

Similar with kava, which i haven't tried but doesn't seem to warrant the risk anyway since benzos and pregabalin seem to fulfill a similar role with a much smaller bulk.

As for etizolam, for most people it's just another rc benzo and people usually just take what they can get.

Phenibut is pretty much a weaker version of pregabalin. Similar reasoning applies i think.

 

[placebonaut]

Kratom got classed this year where i live and i don't expect it to pop up on black markets when there are so much more potent opioids.

Similar with kava, which i haven't tried but doesn't seem to warrant the risk anyway since benzos and pregabalin seem to fulfill a similar role with a much smaller bulk.

As for etizolam, for most people it's just another rc benzo and people usually just take what they can get.

Phenibut is pretty much a weaker version of pregabalin. Similar reasoning applies i think.

you've pretty much just summed up what I've done instead already, however just taking benzo's as an example, they do work very differently for me, I wouldn't substitute Xanax/Diazepam/Nitrazepam for example. I'd like to try Temazepam because it's shorter acting that Nitrazepam but can only find it from drop shippers so reluctant to bother ordering.

Kratom is another good example, I'm comfy taking Kratom and have tried it in the past, however I'm far less comfy taking a true opioid, so for me there's not really an alternative available unless you want to role the dice on cross border shipping.

I'd also like a wider range of choice so there's better ability to work around cross tolerance issues (I don't mean benzos here as I know they are cross tolerant), interchanging Phenibut for pregabalin would I think allow me to reduce my intake of pregabalin and increase the frequency of my pregabalin tolerance breaks

 

[Bleaney]

It's easy to get kratom and phenibut legally via the clearnet in the UK.

I don't agree that phenibut is a weak pregabalin, it's mainly a massively effective potentiator in my experience.

Whatever you have taken, even if it's just alcohol, it's going to feel 10 times better with phenibut. Phenibut makes alcohol seem almost as good as GBL. I think chemically speaking the combo is not a million miles away from GBL, and that is certainly the way it feels to me.

It also works amazingly as a sociability enhancer, which is quite useful for us asocial ND folk.

I believe it's prescribed for anxiety in Russia.

The kratom is not in the same league as the 2010s stuff, that stuff was off the charts for euphoric mood lifts, incredible music enhancement by boosting the warmth or intensity of the listening experience to immensely deeply enjoyable levels, sociability and self confidence enhancement, energy. Or perfect euphoric tranquility, depending on the strain.

The current stuff is not even half as good as the stuff of old, it doesn't do hardly any of the amazing stuff, and is more akin to a super smooth and effective coffee that does a number of interesting things besides reduce tiredness, and all the alkaloids and modes of action are incredibly complicated, and poorly understood. But even neutered kratom is still a useful and versatile substance imo.

Subjective experiences with current vendors vary. Some of the strains are OK. It works best if you're tired, hungover, ill, etc. It seems to know what is needed, and if it can deliver it will.

 

[Mjäll]

you've pretty much just summed up what I've done instead already, however just taking benzo's as an example, they do work very differently for me, I wouldn't substitute Xanax/Diazepam/Nitrazepam for example. I'd like to try Temazepam because it's shorter acting that Nitrazepam but can only find it from drop shippers so reluctant to bother ordering.

Kratom is another good example, I'm comfy taking Kratom and have tried it in the past, however I'm far less comfy taking a true opioid, so for me there's not really an alternative available unless you want to role the dice on cross border shipping.

I'd also like a wider range of choice so there's better ability to work around cross tolerance issues (I don't mean benzos here as I know they are cross tolerant), interchanging Phenibut for pregabalin would I think allow me to reduce my intake of pregabalin and increase the frequency of my pregabalin tolerance breaks

I hear you. It is what it is.

I've decided not to indulge in any stronger opioid. There are probably many like us, but not enough to make kratom a worthwhile kontraband.

Anyway good luck in your pursuits.

 

[placebonaut]

It's easy to get kratom and phenibut legally via the clearnet in the UK.

bit confused by this, I've seen them via clearnet but thought they were meant to now be illegal to sell, what's the loophole they're using? I'm aware that some "UK" sites are actually just shipping from abroad, I'd only consider uk to uk shipping of which there are a few out there, just don't understand the law well enough to know how they're able to keep on trading though

I hear you. It is what it is.

I've decided not to indulge in any stronger opioid. There are probably many like us, but not enough to make kratom a worthwhile kontraband.

Anyway good luck in your pursuits.

yup, kinda what I'd feared, such is life

 

[Bleaney]

I'm not a legal expert, but there is no mention on wikipedia of phenibut being illegal or controlled in the UK. It is in many other countries.

Regarding kratom, Wiki states that in the UK it's illegal to sell and import. But by inference not illegal to possess or to buy within the UK.

There's a UK clearnet vendor that has been running for 25 years. He is breaking the law. But no one seems to care or know.

 

[placebonaut]

yeah knew Kratom was, thought Phenibut was also illegal under the psychoactive substances act.

strange how they've not been prosecuted, wonder if it's the old "not for human consumption" angle

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

I'm not a legal expert, but there is no mention on wikipedia of phenibut being illegal or controlled in the UK. It is in many other countries.

Regarding kratom, Wiki states that in the UK it's illegal to sell and import. But by inference not illegal to possess or to buy within the UK.

There's a UK clearnet vendor that has been running for 25 years. He is breaking the law. But no one seems to care or know.

 

[Bleaney]

yeah knew Kratom was, thought Phenibut was also illegal under the psychoactive substances act.

strange how they've not been prosecuted, wonder if it's the old "not for human consumption" angle

It's much like all these clearnet sites selling benzos etc. Many of them have been up and running for years. There is no loophole. As long as the tabloid rags don't start running stories about such sites it just seems that LE aren't overly bothered, it probably keeps a LOT of dealing off the streets, which is probably less of a headache for them.

Wiki usually explicitly states when substances are illegal under the NPS act.

It's a bit weird that there is no mention of this for Phenibut in the UK, which tends to make me think it's 'escaped' somehow. Although I've not dug any deeper on other forums like Reddit etc, where someone probably knows the answers.

It's a good substance, but not one you'd want to do too much of too often. I can easily see it becoming very de-stabilising following regular use. Despite Russia prescribing it for anxiety. Although Russia also prescribed Phenazepam for a time I believe, so I would not say that Russia is the best yardstick for measuring the risk profile of various treatments.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

OB, not LE.

 

[Bleaney]

yeah I know that's not a phrase you'd often see used on EADD or Bluelight, but it was in response to @placebonaut's posts. There was no moral judgement of the vendor. I'm a regular customer after all.

There's never been any 'sharp practices' from that guy. Unlike 99% of the clearnet vendors selling benzos. I'm beginning to hate most of those businesses for making me end up with fistfulls of bromazolam and ethyl bromolam that I can't use, and all the money wasted, with nothing you can do about it, in most cases, even with Wedinos results. It's quite a strong factor in helping me want to do something about my habit, as I'm sick of all the cunts in those businesses, and the state of the market these days.

 

[Bleaney]

OB, not LE.

Online branch?

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Old Bill. Nobody in this country says Law Enforcement.
Nothing wrong with teaching a yank proper English.

EDIT: I stand by that, but if I'm coming across as a dick, I've had a bad day. Check Job Club.

 

[Bleaney]

Old Bill. Nobody in this country says Law Enforcement.
Nothing wrong with teaching a yank proper English.

EDIT: I stand by that, but if I'm coming across as a dick, I've had a bad day. Check Job Club.

Yeah OK, you're right, I guess it's just mental laziness on my part to use that abbreviation as I've seen it used on here so many times.

There seems to be something about abbreviations, especially incorrect or inappropriate ones, that really winds you up. I'll have to remember to behave myself with that

Sorry to hear you've had a bad day. I remember all too well the frustrations and the humiliations job seekers are put through these days. Having to spend half your time listing applications on the UC website, rather than freeing all that time to do more useful stuff, that would actually improve your chances of getting a job. I'd end up wasting everyone's time, just applying for loads of random jobs, just in order to be sure of having enough applications to list on the UC site, and not risk being sanctioned.

And also truly awful that mental health meds are no longer free for the unemployed. I wonder under whose watch that particularly nasty austerity measure was quietly and sneakily introduced. They are arguably life saving medications, which are (or at least were free, even for the employed) the last I heard about it, although that was some time ago.

 

[Perkins : Reborn]

Yeah OK, you're right, I guess it's just mental laziness on my part to use that abbreviation as I've seen it used on here so many times.

There seems to be something about abbreviations, especially incorrect or inappropriate ones, that really winds you up. I'll have to remember to behave myself with that

Sorry to hear you've had a bad day. I remember all too well the frustrations and the humiliations job seekers are put through these days. Having to spend half your time listing applications on the UC website, rather than freeing all that time to do more useful stuff, that would actually improve your chances of getting a job. I'd end up wasting everyone's time, just applying for loads of random jobs, just in order to be sure of having enough applications to list on the UC site, and not risk being sanctioned.

And also truly awful that mental health meds are no longer free for the unemployed. I wonder under whose watch that particularly nasty austerity measure was quietly and sneakily introduced. They are arguably life saving medications, which are (or at least were free, even for the employed) the last I heard about it, although that was some time ago.

Yeah, I'm a miserable bastard, so just bear with me. All I need is to get another job, cash and a girlfriend who knows when to go away. Preferably young and slim, although my days of pulling eighteen year olds are gone. I miss my ex so much. It was so unfair to lose her in full bloom.

 

[Shambles]

Personally I found phenibut to have horrendous wd symptoms. Way, way worse than GHB or GBL. I’d tread extremely carefully with that one…

Other than that, this thread is walking a very fine line. Whilst it’s not exactly sourcery, it could be construed as hoping for PMs…

I’m positive that wasn’t the intention though so just keep discussion broad and general please

And on the actual question, yes, variety of “easy access” drugs is probably at an all-time low here in Blighty

 

[placebonaut]

Personally I found phenibut to have horrendous wd symptoms. Way, way worse than GHB or GBL. I’d tread extremely carefully with that one…

Other than that, this thread is walking a very fine line. Whilst it’s not exactly sourcery, it could be construed as hoping for PMs…

I’m positive that wasn’t the intention though so just keep discussion broad and general please

And on the actual question, yes, variety of “easy access” drugs is probably at an all-time low here in Blighty

only thinking of using phenibut once a fortnight, alternating it with pregab, certainly no plans for anything more frequent than that

if we're at an all time low, hopefully things will start to get better at some point!

 

[Ismene2]

Tell me about it - all you get here is twats wanting £200 a gram for fake grey 4-aco-dmt.

 

[KurtAurelius]

Horrendous market these last couple years.
easier to get my drugs from the doctors, “food supplements” or clearnet these days.

Oh obviously you can get poorly grown roadman weed with only ludicrous level THC if you fancy playing panic attack/ dissociation simulator but I’ve shelved that one.