Heroin Ketamine for opioid withdrawal

[HealingEnergy14]

I'd suggest DesChloroKetamine. You can get by for hours on a way lower dose than regular ketamine, which should minimize the damage to your bladder in theory.

Someone else also mentioned 3-HO-PCP, while that drug probably made me feel the best I've ever felt (I now understand why they call PCP Angel Dust) you're also more likely to get into a manic episode especially if you are in withdrawal too.
It might be worth mentioning that people say 3-HO-PCP also has some opioid activity, albeit small.

I'd go for DCK if I would ever have to go through opioid withdrawals again.

 

[ĐmantuNJofra]

Mania can be be controlled or you become aware of it than you channel it somehow like writing while listening to music. and yes with any such analogue f.e. DMXE in withdrawal of buprenorphine which is also when you wanna be alone so weed starts to smell different and then arrived package of 2g DMXE I order small or ordered nwm. but gave me a bit manic but also smiling ear to ear that im lifted from hell of at the time being confused alone in withdrawal I also went through pregabalin like in couple days so that 2g hold me a week. But ok it has some strange hangover that is free of rls or any type of anxiety freaky behavior, but it is similar to PCP more than to MXE.

as for bladder well black coffee Turkish or 18 espressos, its a diuretik. and that is it for playing with dissoss, large breaks quality over quantity.

DXM also helps I just get dirty feeling from it

'd go for DCK if I would ever have to go through opioid withdrawals again

2fdck is also lighter version, haven't tried DCK, but heard it lasts long which is good

 

[mirsNeedsHisItch]

Mania can be be controlled or you become aware of it than you channel it somehow like writing while listening to music. and yes with any such analogue f.e. DMXE in withdrawal of buprenorphine which is also when you wanna be alone so weed starts to smell different and then arrived package of 2g DMXE I order small or ordered nwm. but gave me a bit manic but also smiling ear to ear that im lifted from hell of at the time being confused alone in withdrawal I also went through pregabalin like in couple days so that 2g hold me a week. But ok it has some strange hangover that is free of rls or any type of anxiety freaky behavior, but it is similar to PCP more than to MXE.

as for bladder well black coffee Turkish or 18 espressos, its a diuretik. and that is it for playing with dissoss, large breaks quality over quantity.

DXM also helps I just get dirty feeling from it


2fdck is also lighter version, haven't tried DCK, but heard it lasts long which is good

Is dxm worth trying? I don't wanna try it if its just a dirty high

 

[Deleted member 81238]

Respect to that, for that.

 

[maryanne77]

I get low dose ketamine from joyous and it works wonders during H withdrawal! Gabapentin plus that ketamine has been helping me through this past week actually

Ĝgʻ

Hey guys, a novel topic I've yet to see discussed and one That I question personally is has anyone ever used Ket while detox/withdrawal to try and comfort thyself during the worst of the worst? Let's here it guys and gyals

I never heard of this helping ,I just got cut off my pain med have ketamine but still in misery. Does anyone know if ketamine can potentiate whats left of my pain meds ?

 

[jagfug]

I don’t think ket will potentiate opiates. For me one takes away from the other. I look to ketamine (snorted) for a nice one hour trip using a long trippy classic rock album or prog-rock album like Yes or ELP, or my favorite Todd Rundgren’s Initiation what was “side 2” on vinyl; A Treatise on Cosmic Fire. Or any really trippy stuff. One that always sounded good to you on weed, will take on a whole new meaning on Ketamine.

Though the stress on the kidneys is real, a younger person may not notice it, but I’m 63 and have been experimenting with drugs on and off since the 70’s and Ketamine made me aware of just how much damage I must’ve already done.

Other guys I’ve talked to on forums like Dread, have told me it doesn’t bother them in the least, I try and warn them; “You just haven’t done enough damage already to realize how much you’re damaging them now”

I’ll buy a few grams once every few months and do like 120-150mg’s per session. I only tried it for the 1st time last fall. If you’ve never done it, it’s worth it to put it on your bucket list.

I did use it during H withdrawal on like day 4 or 5, and it helped big time. It gives you that break from all the RLS and “heebie-jeebies” I get at that point. I always have a good trippy album cued up, with headphones ready, and be right next to my bed or recliner. I snort two lines of approx. said amount, and pop on the cans, and lay back with the room as dark as possible and get ready for an intense trip.

The anti-depressant after effects definitely helped me through those rough days. I try to have it on hand for my next withdrawal, especially the “unplanned” ones.

It’s helped me, it may help you!

Be safe and drink plenty of water.

 

[pnillyg]

I don’t think ket will potentiate opiates. For me one takes away from the other. I look to ketamine (snorted) for a nice one hour trip using a long trippy classic rock album or prog-rock album like Yes or ELP, or my favorite Todd Rundgren’s Initiation what was “side 2” on vinyl; A Treatise on Cosmic Fire. Or any really trippy stuff. One that always sounded good to you on weed, will take on a whole new meaning on Ketamine.

Though the stress on the kidneys is real, a younger person may not notice it, but I’m 63 and have been experimenting with drugs on and off since the 70’s and Ketamine made me aware of just how much damage I must’ve already done.

Other guys I’ve talked to on forums like Dread, have told me it doesn’t bother them in the least, I try and warn them; “You just haven’t done enough damage already to realize how much you’re damaging them now”

I’ll buy a few grams once every few months and do like 120-150mg’s per session. I only tried it for the 1st time last fall. If you’ve never done it, it’s worth it to put it on your bucket list.

I did use it during H withdrawal on like day 4 or 5, and it helped big time. It gives you that break from all the RLS and “heebie-jeebies” I get at that point. I always have a good trippy album cued up, with headphones ready, and be right next to my bed or recliner. I snort two lines of approx. said amount, and pop on the cans, and lay back with the room as dark as possible and get ready for an intense trip.

The anti-depressant after effects definitely helped me through those rough days. I try to have it on hand for my next withdrawal, especially the “unplanned” ones.

It’s helped me, it may help you!

Be safe and drink plenty of water.

it most definitely does trust me haha. 5mg of oxy with no to low tolorence feels like 30 with 300mg sublingual ket ime

 

[jagfug]

it most definitely does trust me haha. 5mg of oxy with no to low tolorence feels like 30 with 300mg sublingual ket ime

I believe you, and respect that. I guess I was thinking the opposite of what was being said. Like the opiate takes away from the trip of ketamine. I can see if you only have a small amount of opiate and you want to “kick it up a notch” the Ket will definitely do that. In hindsight I stand corrected in that regard. Ket will definitely add depth and dimension to what is otherwise a brain deadening experience. (For me of course) I have a love/hate relationship with opiates. I’m sure many can identify with that feeling.

 

[4DQSAR]

I talked to a guy who used methoxetamine but I wonder if it's better than K.

Assuming one has a way to keep the plasma level of K more or less the same. I mean, a syringe-driver would be best, but pins are mostly bad news. But it may be possible to find a level that at least provides increased extracellular dopamine and of course, help with the aches and pains.

The guy I mentioned had been recovering from a crazy fentanyl dependence (broke rule 1) by which I mean a shot every 20 minutes day and night (hence syringe driver). He was over a year in and STILL suffering EWS but he did say MXE had been a lifesaver.

Mostly I tell people that no drug is safe and you need to know what you really have, but I suppose if the alternative was suicide (and it has been for people who broke rule 1), I suppose the risk/benefit ratio favours use.

 

[Dextro .45]

Ketamine in low amount ……..but Clonidine 0.1mg are staple

 

[jagfug]

I talked to a guy who used methoxetamine but I wonder if it's better than K.

Assuming one has a way to keep the plasma level of K more or less the same. I mean, a syringe-driver would be best, but pins are mostly bad news. But it may be possible to find a level that at least provides increased extracellular dopamine and of course, help with the aches and pains.

The guy I mentioned had been recovering from a crazy fentanyl dependence (broke rule 1) by which I mean a shot every 20 minutes day and night (hence syringe driver). He was over a year in and STILL suffering EWS but he did say MXE had been a lifesaver.

Mostly I tell people that no drug is safe and you need to know what you really have, but I suppose if the alternative was suicide (and it has been for people who broke rule 1), I suppose the risk/benefit ratio favours use.

I love your sig! I’m reposting it since it doesn’t carry over with the quote on a reply;

It never ceases to amaze me that people use technologies based on scientific research leading back over two centuries to deride the scientific method. If you can read this - it isn't magic, God, or elves. It's science!

 

[HealingEnergy14]

I love your sig! I’m reposting it since it doesn’t carry over with the quote on a reply;

It never ceases to amaze me that people use technologies based on scientific research leading back over two centuries to deride the scientific method. If you can read this - it isn't magic, God, or elves. It's science!

I fail to see how the fact that science exists denies the existence of a God or "Magic" for that matter.

Care to explain?

 

[Allylbenzene]

fwiw, the next best (otc) thing to ketamine is agmatine. It shares some of the same key properties as (S)-ketamine but it's a cheap supplement. As I learnt from someone here, (R)-ketamine is primarily a DRI.
The next best otc things after Agmatine are... magnolol & honokiol, thymoquinone, theanine, creatine, sodium ascorbate, caryophyllene, cannabigerol, linalool and curcumin.
All these things approach the opioid cessation issue from different angles.

 

[Dextro .45]

I don’t think ket will potentiate opiates. For me one takes away from the other. I look to ketamine (snorted) for a nice one hour trip using a long trippy classic rock album or prog-rock album like Yes or ELP, or my favorite Todd Rundgren’s Initiation what was “side 2” on vinyl; A Treatise on Cosmic Fire. Or any really trippy stuff. One that always sounded good to you on weed, will take on a whole new meaning on Ketamine

Actually……studies conducted during WWII found adding Dexedrine (d-Amphetamine) to Morphine Sulphate DOUBLED the analgesic properties of the opioid narcotic

Further more…..Ketamine HCL is absolutely invaluable for serious battlefield wounds. An extremely safe compound that has no effects on respiratory system/breathing or heart rate…..you’re breathing normally and heart rate is unaffected

Ketamine has VERY valuable properties in combination with a potent mu-opioid agonist + dopaminergic stimulant

Ketamine, a disassociate anesthetic & NMDA receptor antagonist….it has rapid action potent antidepressant, anxiolytic, and analgesic properties.

A single auto-injector epi-pen style device on every Spec-Ops operator for serious injuries…….IM administration of a 3 drug cocktail

Morphine Sulphate- 6 parts
D-Amphetamine- 3.5 parts
Ketamine HCL - 2 parts

After tourniquet is applied and limb elevated to stop blood loss, you slam this auto injector into you muscle while your comrades ray down precision fire, suppressed while awaiting an evacuation at the LZ e

 

[Dextro .45]

Me personally…..in my standard Brompton Cocktail I would add Ketamine when available. An amazingly essential compound in chronic pain

Methadone 100mg
Ritalin (Methylphenidate) 50-70mg IR
Diazepam 30mg
Alprazolam 1mg
Pregabalin 300mg
Ethanol 2.oz drinks 3-6 drinks over few hours

Blasting lines of Cocaine & Ketamine 50/50 before each fresh drink before heading outside for premium fresh Belmont cigarette

Pure heaven

 

[4DQSAR]

Actually……studies conducted during WWII found adding Dexedrine (d-Amphetamine) to Morphine Sulphate DOUBLED the analgesic properties of the opioid narcotic

Amphetamine-induced analgesia does not involve brain opioids - PubMed

The intrinsic analgesic properties of amphetamine were studied in rats. Subcutaneous injection of amphetamine exerted an additive effect on morphine-induced analgesia in the hot-plate test. Amphetamine itself showed intrinsic analgesic activity in a dose-dependent manner. Administration of...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

As best I can find out, psychostimulants are believed to modulate endorphins.

I don't know of any such compound medication being used.

FYI the ORIGINAL Brompton cocktail contained morphine/diamorphine, cocaine and tincture of cannabis all in an ethanol solution. The more general term is 'lytic cocktail'.

As a youngster I did ask an old why tincture of cannabis was used and the answer was 'the other medications bring on the dancing girls, but it's the tincture of cannabis that makes them take their clothes off'. I'm sure this was the pharmacist parroting the word of some long gone lecturer circa 1995 (best guess). Colourful but memorable. I bet no student EVER forgot those (objectively crazy) words.

 

[KetWise]

A single auto-injector epi-pen style device on every Spec-Ops operator for serious injuries…….IM administration of a 3 drug cocktail

Morphine Sulphate- 6 parts
D-Amphetamine- 3.5 parts
Ketamine HCL - 2 parts

After tourniquet is applied and limb elevated to stop blood loss, you slam this auto injector into you muscle while your comrades ray down precision fire, suppressed while awaiting an evacuation at the LZ e

How do you know that ? do you know the dosage is it like 60mg morphine 35 dexamphet and 200mg ket i wanna try

 

[4DQSAR]

How do you know that ? do you know the dosage is it like 60mg morphine 35 dexamphet and 200mg ket i wanna try

I've never heard of this concotion.

The UK armed services did use ketamine for a few years but it was deemed too unpredictable. People with weapons spun on K apparently resulted in a few close calls. So now I think buccal fentanyl is now used bu both the UK and US military.

That combination is going to result in a casualty who is highly dependent on others. So for small unit opearations, surely not a good idea. Even if someone has lost a leg, as long as the bleeding is controlled, the other two members of their section could get them out.

I can maybe believe that they are provided with that amount of medication but fixed-ratio compound medications pose their own problems. You don't give opiates if a severe head injury is diagnosed but I think ketamine is still considered safe. I'm no expert, but I had the MARCH HALT protocol drilled into me.

I guess Hitchen's Razor applies.

 

[Dextro .45]

Yes, I am aware of the original oral drink consisting of several API compounding agents to ease to suffering of terminal patients, make them more mentally alert, sociable & pleasant to be around (especially with family and loved ones);

Morphine Sulphate was initially used orally as Diacetylmorphine (Heroin) is intended and really shines via IV/IM/SC injection. Basically “invented” and coined in the Royal Brompton Hospital in the U.K.

Cannabis Indica was used as an anti nausea agent, to promote a healthy appetite, and Cannabis Indica has robust analgesic properties,

Cocaine HCl & Morphine Sulphate , even Thorazine and Ethanol, chloroform water


There are MANY variations of this analgesic cocktail……for me…..the best is:

Methadone 100-125mg
Methylphenidate 50-70mg IR
Diazepam 30mg
Alprazolam 1pm
Pregabalin 300mg
Ethanol / Gin 2.oz drinks X 4-6

For genuine chronic pain due to RA …..this oral drink with all tablets/capsules pulverized into fine powder, dissolved by few Oz of hot water, swirl, dissolved, add sweet orange juice to mask bitter taste…..and with its high oral bioavailability and rapid onset…….30/45min start melting into couch in a state of euphoric pain relief, anxiolytic & antidepressant mood-boosting sensation that make the day pleasant

 

[4DQSAR]

All I was told was that it had to be prepared and consumed over quite a limited period which I assume is because diamorphine isn't stable in solution. The UK is one of the few nations to retain diamorphine as a medicine and the few people I've known who were given univerally agreed that not only did the physical pain disappear in just a couple of minutes but it also made them, well, euphoric I suppose - although none used that term.

Until recently the old fashioned 5mg 'jacks' were still being used. No longer for injection since it isn't sterile but unexpectely (to me), as a sublingual medication.

Sadly they are all dead now but the UK also has an unusual indication for prescribing strong opioids, to whit 'to relieve unacceptable suffering' so as you say, if it means a person's last days are pain and anxiety free - it's very useful.

But as with all these things, YMMV. My wife worked in the field of palliative care and didn't rate methadone. But whatever works for you is fine.