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Civic Duty? (Does not exist anymore?)

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So lets just say you were living in Germany in the 30s....

Do you have a civic duty to do something to "stand up" to the Nazi's in whatever capacity you are able too?

Or is your civic duty still to the state and you should be looking for hebrews*etc* to report?

Strictly a philosophical question.

At what point do you feel that "Civic duty" applies to you? (Examples and context welcome - don't self incriminate)
 
Some members here saw the rise of the auth state and decided to start calling in tips for the fash. Other users here decided to begin non participation in the economy in order to tarnish the notion of the fash figurehead as beneficial to the economy of the nation.
 
In other words, some people will be called to serve the state and some people will be called to serve the ideals of their nation. Both are civic duties but in some ways the goals and aims of one seem to desire the destruction of the nation and for the other group desire to transform the nation from what it is becoming.

It’s all perception really
 
and some will sit idly by or even make excuses how this wasn't like the last time in that other place. or that other time, or the other one

Still others will see that in those other places, in those other times, those other ones, many were just as powerless to effect change as they were able to avoid the boots waiting to come down on their necks at the first expressions of dissent.

“Cut the tall poppies.”

Be the ones to stick out and see how that goes for you.

Authority is winning
 
^ I do not necessarily disagree

But the alternative option is stick your head in the sand and leave your ass in the air?

Do we not hold the citizens of 1930s Germany complicit? (The nazi party at least - I am no historian but from what I understand it was a 'godfather-esque' join the party offer?)
 
Well, the way Nazi Germany dealt with this was simply to put all clergy and those who would not comply into concentration camps to be used as slave labor and eventually die. The only spirituality that was allowed was the new Nazi religion, "Gottgläubigkeit," This had the outward appearance of Christianity, but was liberally mixed with nationalism and duty to the party along with occult and Neo-pagan belief systems.
 
Thank you for the additional context/brief history lessonl!(Sincerly, I never know if someone will think I'm being a dick) --- I was not too far off the mark.
 
At what point do you feel that "Civic duty" applies to you? (Examples and context welcome - don't self incriminate)
I definitely vote at every opportunity.
I donate what I can afford (not much) to campaigns that I believe in.
I stay informed on a daily basis about what's going on locally, statewide, nationally, and (to a lesser extent) internationally-- and I talk about it with friends & coworkers.
I occasionally take part in public protests.

That's about it.
 
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Same, Voted every time ive been of age, I do not donate ya got me there, I try to talk about it alot less IRL honestly because people have pretty well chosen a side at this point, but I do try. I go to all the protests I can get rides to.

-- but we are not factually in 1930's germany this is staying strictly hypothetical and philosophical

More specifically -- at what point in that nazi campaign (If any) would you have tried to 'stand up' to the nazi's (Whatever that means to you, feel free to extrapolate or not to)
 
Well, the way Nazi Germany dealt with this was simply to put all clergy and those who would not comply into concentration camps to be used as slave labor and eventually die. The only spirituality that was allowed was the new Nazi religion, "Gottgläubigkeit," This had the outward appearance of Christianity, but was liberally mixed with nationalism and duty to the party along with occult and Neo-pagan belief systems.
how did fascist Italy deal with dissenters?
 
how did fascist Italy deal with dissenters?
They had organizations like the "Blackshirts" all the way up to assassin's to deal with dissenters, political and religious. They also deported many, I'd take that all day compared with death or concentration camp.

We have to remember, they were allies in war with the Nazi's, but they would probably have not passed the "Nazi purity test" once Europe and England had fallen. Perhaps they had not thought this all the way through :unsure:
 
More specifically -- at what point in that nazi campaign (If any) would you have tried to 'stand up' to the nazi's (Whatever that means to you, feel free to extrapolate or not to)
I find it impossible to put myself in that place & time, so I cannot say what, if anything, I could or would have said or done.

I strongly recommend this movie if you can find it:
 
Fair response. I tend to not like Nazi movies. Exception of Inglorious Bastards and 'Gentleman of Unminestry warfare(?)' Unless it is in that vein (which forget any historical accuracy or lesson).....Christian Bale that is kind of funny okay I may look it up --- just cuz I got a lot of respect for you (and a lot of time on my hands) lol
 
I tend to not like Nazi movies.
Me neither. This one is particularly good, though.

One reason I can't say what I might have done in 1930s Germany is this:
Right now all my instincts tell me to run thru the streets shouting People! Don't you see what's happening here? America is being DESTROYED!!!

But I'm not doing that.
 
So lets just say you were living in Germany in the 30s....

Do you have a civic duty to do something to "stand up" to the Nazi's in whatever capacity you are able too?

Or is your civic duty still to the state and you should be looking for hebrews*etc* to report?

Strictly a philosophical question.

At what point do you feel that "Civic duty" applies to you? (Examples and context welcome - don't self incriminate)

I studied WWII history extensively in university.

In Germany, the people who initially resisted were a small minority. Mostly academics and some lower level bureaucrats. The most vocal people were purged early on. The overwhelming majority of Germany went along with the rise in power, at least outwardly. Secretly, there were many undermining the system (like Schindler), who pretended to go along with it. Historians debate why so many people complied. I believe it was a mass psychosis event, similar to what happened during covid.

With mass psychosis, if there is a situation of intense fear with no clear solution, if the fear gets high enough, you can dangle any kind of fake cause in front of people's minds and they will grab onto that cause in order to experience relief from the fear. The cause doesn't even have to make total sense. The need for fear relief takes over. Similarly, when you provide a one-solution to that cause, people believe in it, even if it doesn't make total sense, and especially when the people around them also seem to believe in it.

Germany came out of WWI and the Treaty of Versailles as a devastated nation. Hitler was actually a really great economist. He entered the political scene when Germany was suffering from hyperinflation and the economy was out of control. People were starving. The situation was dire. He gave the middle finger to the Treaty of Versailles, disobeyed all of its requirements, and proceeded to re-industrialize Germany. He factually lifted the German people out of poverty. The countries in the best position to stop Hitler early on, Britain and France, did not act and instead chose appeasement.

So when Hitler shifted his economic policy to social policy against the enemies of the state, most people obeyed directly or passively because they feared the former chaos if Hitler were challenged. They also redirected their fears about chaos to the people that Hitler persecuted, even though it didn't totally make sense. But that's how mass psychosis functions.

The sad truth is that the majority of people obey the government and media. If the government and media instruct people to hate someone/something, most will do it, without question. I experienced that during covid. I refused the vaccine and refused to go along with the bogus protocols. If the government created concentration camps for people like me and told everyone that it was for the greater good, people who I saw every day would've turned me in. I had people in my community who I knew for years literally tell me to my face that I deserved to get covid and die for refusing to follow bogus protocols. I am still traumatized from seeing this group-think psychology. Humans are not safe to be around when group psychology takes hold. All you have to do is suspend normal reality just a little bit and people lose their shit completely. Then anyone who offers what seems like a reasonable way out, people will cling to like their life depends upon it. It's scary.

In the 1963 Milgram experiment, when subjects were ordered to administer increasingly lethal shocks to other participants (the shocks weren't real, but the people didn't know that), about 65% of the subjects obeyed authority when they were told that the next shock they would administer would kill the person. That means only 35% had the courage to say no or to remove themselves from the experiment. First of all, imagine obeying the order to shock someone in the first place, but then imagine being told that, "Ok, we've reached the highest level of shock you can deliver by pressing the button. If you press the button, the shock WILL KILL the individual." And 65% simply followed orders and did it? And this was an experimental environment with ONE variable, it wasn't the real world which is much more complex.

The sad thing about mass psychosis is that 20% of people remain on that program for life. Even when the situation changes and there is clear evidence that it was a hoax, they still carry on the program until the day they die. That's why it took so long for post-WWII Germany to de-root the anti-Jew psychology from its population. It took generations to weed it out. You basically have to wait for the old timers to die for the program to die with them. Even then, they taught their children, so the psychosis can be passed on in other ways. Hence why we still have neo-Nazism in Europe and Jews get blamed every time the world goes wrong.
 
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well I can say that modern media, particularly what I've seen from right wing media such as fox news, farms fear pretty hard. constantly. all the doomsday meal prep and gold adverts make those companies a ton of money while fox screams about migrants coming to rape your daughters

is that fomenting psychosis in the US?
 
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