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They're definitely less intense than MDMA & the benzofurans, but the lesser side effects & milder after effects made them worth it for me.

They lend themselves to hedonistic, non-therapeutic use.
These two things are probably why I skew away from it, I've never had any side effects or after effects (other than an amazingly euphoric, radiant glow) from using MDA, MDMA or 5-APB, even in really ridiculous amounts approaching 600mg of recrystallized crystal, 300mg each of MDMA and MDA. My fiance doesn't have any side effects or after effects, and I haven't seen anyone experience those effects if they're not "warned" of them in the future. I have a hunch that outside of some mild jaw tension and anorexic effects on par with LSD, MDA (and to a lesser degree MDMA) may suffer from some egree of socially induced side/after effects. People to whom I've administered either of these drugs with no background as far as what side/after effects to "expect", when later asked about them, report 0 of them, with complete consistency. It's really quite strange. My first time using MDMA I'd seen numerous people end up in the hospital from taking over a gram, people who took it daily, etc. but I knew that in the amount I was using, it was just fine. I only seem to get side/after effects from 25X-NBXXs, meth, and amphetamine.
 
These two things are probably why I skew away from it, I've never had any side effects or after effects (other than an amazingly euphoric, radiant glow) from using MDA, MDMA or 5-APB, even in really ridiculous amounts approaching 600mg of recrystallized crystal, 300mg each of MDMA and MDA. My fiance doesn't have any side effects or after effects, and I haven't seen anyone experience those effects if they're not "warned" of them in the future. I have a hunch that outside of some mild jaw tension and anorexic effects on par with LSD, MDA (and to a lesser degree MDMA) may suffer from some egree of socially induced side/after effects. People to whom I've administered either of these drugs with no background as far as what side/after effects to "expect", when later asked about them, report 0 of them, with complete consistency. It's really quite strange. My first time using MDMA I'd seen numerous people end up in the hospital from taking over a gram, people who took it daily, etc. but I knew that in the amount I was using, it was just fine. I only seem to get side/after effects from 25X-NBXXs, meth, and amphetamine.
I'm pretty sensitive to empathogens & often have nausea during the comeup (not when boofed), and I can become couch locked quite quickly from MDMA.
Just a bit too much & all I can do is lay down. Low energ,y, just wanting to cuddle.
That's not suitable for a party.

It could be nocebo but to me MDMA in particular produces some depressive effect 1-2 days after ingestion. 5-APB, 6-APB & 5-MAPB don't do that.
 
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I'm pretty sensitive to empathogens & often have nausea during the comeup (not when boofed), and I can become couch locked quite quickly from MDMA.
Just a bit too much & all I can do is lay down. Low energ,y, just wanting to cuddle.
That's not suitable for a party.

It could be nocebo but to me MDMA in particular produces some depressive effect 1-2 days after ingestion. 5-APB, 6-APB & 5-MAPB don't do that.
It seems like sensitivity being higher or lower to certain drugs is just a totally subjectively variant thing, it's so peculiar.

Off topic of that, but still OT for the thread in general, in the next couple I'll be financially back on my feet enough to get my hands on some acid, ketamine (or any other nice arylcyclohexylamines I can find), ice, MDA, phenazolam, Phenibut, cathinones/pyros, dabs, 4-PrO-DMT, more mescaline to extract, and some dabs. If there are no good cathinones around, I may give cocaine a shot again for the first time in ~6 years. I always found it boring and purposeless, but hey maybe it's just like a shitty-yet-tolerable-enough take on NEP, who knows. Excited to get back to stash building, but it's been crazy how pouring virtually zero money into drugs for 9 months still has the stash looking proper, makes me proud of how I've built (and and am continuing to build) it.

What do you guys have for either stash goals, or what do you try to keep it at as far as some sort of "drug collection homeostasis"?
 
I really have a soft spot in my heart for Methylone, Ethylone & 5-Methylethylone.
They're definitely less intense than MDMA & the benzofurans, but the lesser side effects & milder after effects made them worth it for me.

5-Me-MDA does sound amazing.
Methylone & 5-methylethylone were both fantastic. I have a soft spot for them as well for similar reasons. They had some similarities to MDMA without being exactly "rolly". Great for enhanced personal connection without getting too personal. Still greaat for romantic purposes but if used at a party there's less worry about telling the world your worst traumas than MDMA. Definitely fewer side-effects than MDMA/MDA or benzofurans, especially in terms of day after effects. Never tried Ethylone. I have seen some around recently and have been tempted to try. I did also have a soft spot for 4-MEC as I never got to try 4-MMC.

I don't roll as much as I used to but I've been tempted to dip into my 5-APB. Have only done it a few times. I always enjoy it when I'm peaking, but I'm always scared to take it because it has a very intense "oh shit, what did I do to myself" feeling as it kicks in. It's got the most intense and drawn out come-up of any empathogen that I've tried. Fantastic peak though. Might be going to an Ott concert in a little less than a month and am considering taking some for that, but the duration might be a bit too long for the show. MDMA might be an option but if not then I'll probably use a dissociative if I can get some in time

5-Me-MDA does sound like it has potential. I remember there was a lot of discussion surrounding 5-Me-MDA around the time the 5-Methyl-ethylone came out but I don't think that it ever came into fruition. 5-Methyl-Ethylone was great. I'm surprised that it didn't become more popular.


Off topic of that, but still OT for the thread in general, in the next couple I'll be financially back on my feet enough to get my hands on some acid, ketamine (or any other nice arylcyclohexylamines I can find), ice, MDA, phenazolam, Phenibut, cathinones/pyros, dabs, 4-PrO-DMT, more mescaline to extract, and some dabs. If there are no good cathinones around, I may give cocaine a shot again for the first time in ~6 years. I always found it boring and purposeless, but hey maybe it's just like a shitty-yet-tolerable-enough take on NEP, who knows. Excited to get back to stash building, but it's been crazy how pouring virtually zero money into drugs for 9 months still has the stash looking proper, makes me proud of how I've built (and and am continuing to build) it.
Sounds like you have some good goals in terms of building up your stash. I'm envious that you seem able to control yourself enough to be able to have stimulants around.

What do you guys have for either stash goals, or what do you try to keep it at as far as some sort of "drug collection homeostasis"?
I am proud of how I've built up my stash over the years. For me a "proper stash" contains as many obscure psychedelics as I cant obtain as well as a nice selection of some classics. 4-HO-MIPT, 4-HO-MET, Mushrooms, LSD, DMT, 2CB and Mescaline are necessities. 5-MeO-MIPT is also a bit of a necessity but unfortunately I don't have any. I do have some NB, 5-MeO-MIPT that I need to experiment with some more. Those are the mainstays in my collection. Those are enough to cover just about any duration or type of introspection or "seriousness" that I'm looking to get into. Psychedelic amphetamines as well. I need more DOC though as the pellets I have aren't dosed right. Took a "2mg" pellet not too long ago and it was definitely weak.

Cannabis of course, even though I no longer enjoy it. Still great to have around in case someone comes around who enjoys it. Ideally different forms as well. Flower (multiple strains including CBD dominant), Dabs, Edibles, Crystal CBD/CBG.

Natural substances such as: Salvia, Amanita, Kava, Morning Glory seeds, Ibogaine, Blue lotus, tobacco

Dissociatives are also a must have and similar to psychedelics I prefer them to be somewhat obscure. I much prefer just about any RC dissociative that I've tried over Ketamine. I think that soon I will try to obtain 3-me-pcp, MXPCP and some 3,4-MD-PCP. Hopefully that will last me a while. If I can't stick to my rules that I set for myself then I may need to flush and keep dissociatives to a maybe couple of times a year special occasion.

At LEAST one empathogen if not more. Currently have 5-APB, 5-MAPB and if you count it AMT. Need to get MDMA and MDA. Would love to get 6-APB as I only got to try it once in a not ideal set and setting. I roll maybe once a year so even just a gram of MDMA can last me years. I'd definitely roll more if I had more friends or was able to attend more shows.

Gotta have at least one benzo on hand, mainly for emergency purposes if a trip needs to be aborted.

A "proper" stash would have some stimulants on hand, but unfortunately I can't control myself with those so my stash has to go with out. I have bottles of Bupropion though. Just got diagnosed ADHD so hopefully I'll be able to get some Methylphenidate or Adderall down the road after exhausting other options. My "Dream Stash" would contain some meth, adderall, something along the lines of NEP and maybe a pyro or 2 for the fuck of it. Probably some 4f-MPH and IPPH as well. Maybe coke even though I don't enjoy it. probably not a good idea that I take it now that I'm on estradiol as my risk for strokes is increased.

Hydroxyzine has also become a necessity.

Carisoprodol is also an absolute necessity for a proper dream stash. I need to get some more and try not to go through it as fast.

At least an opioid or 2 is also great for a proper stash. Right now I have Kratom, Suboxone and 30mg of Hydro. Will try getting some 7-OH to add before it becomes illegal. Been thinking about adding some Tar to the stash.

Phenibut is also something that I need to have around for various purposes.


TL;DR : A proper stash should contain absolutely as much as you can get your hands on and in decent quantities, as well as something from every "class" of psychoactive so long as you can have them around without ruining your life
 
probably not a good idea that I take it now that I'm on estradiol as my risk for strokes is increased.
I've never seen anyone smoke crack as intensely as a few trans women I used to party with in college, I had no idea that exogenous estradiol lowered the seizure threshold. Be careful pushing it with Bupropion also, in that case, as Bupropion also lowers the seizure threshold.
TL;DR : A proper stash should contain absolutely as much as you can get your hands on and in decent quantities, as well as something from every "class" of psychoactive so long as you can have them around without ruining your life
I definitely agree, I've grown to be a bit unplugged from the RC scene, but as many RC psychedelics, dissos, empathogens, stimulants and depressants as I can access are definitely on the list. I've got a solid, verified connection to 4-PrO-DMT right now, but I'm highly envious of your access to various novel arylcyclohexylamines. I was starting to think that my next access point to PCP would have to be synthesis, and god that bromine is a pain in the ass to play with!
Sounds like you have some good goals in terms of building up your stash. I'm envious that you seem able to control yourself enough to be able to have stimulants around.
Yeah, what I've currently stated is the intention over the next year or so where I need to keep my income low for insurance purposes, once I pivot back to working in tech I'll probably go a LOT harder on stupid shit, putting 10kg of kratom in a vacuum sealer, etc.

Really the biggest point for me in the future is getting the lab back up, I'm somewhere now where a Schlenk line leaking won't kill my neighbors, so I'm far more free here to actually perform chemistry compared to living in the city where I was. Tons of niche points within the realm of synthesis exist, but currently I'm no more than 2 steps from producing [2C/4C/DO/BO/BM]-[Ethyl/Methyl/T-2/T-7/3-MeO-4,5-Methylenedioxy] phenethylamines, amphetamine (I also really want to try N-[propyl/allyl/ethyl/isopropyl] since I've only ever tried NH2 and N-Methyl], two clobenzorex analogs, DMAX and some other methylxanthines that have other alkyl subs where DMAX has its allyl group, [5-MeO]-D[M/E/iP/P/AL]T, 25[E/D/B/T-2/T-7]-NB[OMe/OH], and I'm three steps from taking a swing at 3,4,5-trisubstituted phenethylamines, MMDA, DMMDA-2, arylcyclohexylamines (just tricyclics like PCP and analogs), and the halogenated 2,5-Dimethoxyphenethylamines.

As far as acquisition goes, I'm definitely unaware of what RCs are around right now, but from the more mundane domain of drugs, tianeptine, phenibut, floribut, soma, promethazine (from my scip), gabapentin (to supplement my scrip), bupropion (prescribed), aripiprazole (prescribed), mitragynine and oxidizers to convert it into 7-OH, coca tea, xanthines, DXM in pure crystal form, salvia as strong as I can get it, refilling my 20 pound nitrous tank, cultivating some Banisteriopsis caapi, Lophophora spp. and Panaeolus cyanescens, and probably grabbing some Ambien is on the list. I'm specifically curious about the intersection of Ambien, meth, and acid recently, might recreate it with amphetamine, 2C-B and amanitas to see how it varies too.
 
I've never seen anyone smoke crack as intensely as a few trans women I used to party with in college, I had no idea that exogenous estradiol lowered the seizure threshold. Be careful pushing it with Bupropion also, in that case, as Bupropion also lowers the seizure threshold.
Yeah, I know that stimulant use is huge with trans-folk (trans-women in particular) and the queer community as a whole. I now know that a huge reason for my meth use is that it allowed me to explore my sexuality without some of the fear and anxiety that I had built up through my childhood/teen years over the fact that I might be gay. Also helped me feel more comfortable about my gender expression without as much fear about what other people may think. Going to have a nice psychedelic endeavor when I can with the intent to process and hopefully get control over some anxiety about the trans experience and my gender expression in the future. Still gotta tell dad and grandma and the extended family which is a source of anxiety. Anyways, I'm getting off track a bit.

As far as I know, estrogen doesn't lower the seizure threshold. If so, I've been working up to 450mg and haven't experienced any issues so far except for some more difficulty getting to sleep when I should. Estradiol does increase the risk for strokes and blood clots. Those are the 2 main worries as far as I know.

I definitely agree, I've grown to be a bit unplugged from the RC scene, but as many RC psychedelics, dissos, empathogens, stimulants and depressants as I can access are definitely on the list. I've got a solid, verified connection to 4-PrO-DMT right now, but I'm highly envious of your access to various novel arylcyclohexylamines. I was starting to think that my next access point to PCP would have to be synthesis, and god that bromine is a pain in the ass to play with!
Unfortunately the RC scene in the US is nothing like it used to be now that getting packages from the NL is basically impossible. The RC scene over there is still pretty good. Tons of arylcyclohexylamines and other substances. The dissociatives are the main thing that I keep an eye on. Hoping that some will make it to our once fine country. I have been interested in 4-Pro-DMT. If you get to try it any time soon, be sure to post about it. I know of at least 2 Canadian vendors that last I checked were solid with a nice variety of tryptamines. I plan to slowly acquire those but arylcyclohexylamines are my main focus atm. I should invest more in the psychedelics because a gram of a 4-substituted tryptamine lasts me years, as well as empathogens.

I'm on the same page with the PCP. Trying PCP is like my number one bucket list thing lol. It doesn't seem to exist in my area and I've only seen it on the DNM once in a dissociative variety pack that included 3-HO-PCP, DXM, Memantine, and 2 PCP dippers. I ordered it and when I got it there were no dippers. They said they ran out. I was livid. The 3-HO-PCP was inert as well. 50mg did nothing. You think that there'd be a bigger market for PCP on the DNM. There's every other drug that's achieved street drug status on there. Figured I'd have to learn chemistry and synth it myself. You are definitely more knowledgeable on the subject than I am. I'd love to go to school and study Organic Chemistry. Did you study it in school or are you all self taught? I know that there have been a number of great chemists who were self taught without school.

Really the biggest point for me in the future is getting the lab back up, I'm somewhere now where a Schlenk line leaking won't kill my neighbors, so I'm far more free here to actually perform chemistry compared to living in the city where I was. Tons of niche points within the realm of synthesis exist, but currently I'm no more than 2 steps from producing [2C/4C/DO/BO/BM]-[Ethyl/Methyl/T-2/T-7/3-MeO-4,5-Methylenedioxy] phenethylamines, amphetamine (I also really want to try N-[propyl/allyl/ethyl/isopropyl] since I've only ever tried NH2 and N-Methyl], two clobenzorex analogs, DMAX and some other methylxanthines that have other alkyl subs where DMAX has its allyl group, [5-MeO]-D[M/E/iP/P/AL]T, 25[E/D/B/T-2/T-7]-NB[OMe/OH], and I'm three steps from taking a swing at 3,4,5-trisubstituted phenethylamines, MMDA, DMMDA-2, arylcyclohexylamines (just tricyclics like PCP and analogs), and the halogenated 2,5-Dimethoxyphenethylamines.
Man, that is so fucking awesome, pardon my french. Chemistry such as that really isn't suited to the city life. It's great that you're on your way to making this dream of yours happen. The dream of many of us here on BL, really. Having the possibility and ability to obtain those rarities through sweat, tears and good ole American hard work is really special. I can only imagine how good it must feel to work towards something and obtain it through you're own ability. The 4C compounds I find very interesting. It's a shame they haven't popped up. 2C-T-2 is by far my favorite psychedelic. I only tried it twice in fairly low doses and that was enough for it to earn its spot as my favorite psychedelic of all-time. That one is the best of the magical half dozen in my experience. Would also be interesting to see how TMT and TeMPEA are in comparison to Mescaline. So many things to explore, so little time. Chemistry is such a cool science. It seems like anything is possible with enough knowledge and hard work. It's ammazing to think that for all of the known drugs and psychoactive substances, that we may have only scratched the surface.

As far as acquisition goes, I'm definitely unaware of what RCs are around right now, but from the more mundane domain of drugs, tianeptine, phenibut, floribut, soma, promethazine (from my scip), gabapentin (to supplement my scrip), bupropion (prescribed), aripiprazole (prescribed), mitragynine and oxidizers to convert it into 7-OH, coca tea, xanthines, DXM in pure crystal form, salvia as strong as I can get it, refilling my 20 pound nitrous tank, cultivating some Banisteriopsis caapi, Lophophora spp. and Panaeolus cyanescens, and probably grabbing some Ambien is on the list. I'm specifically curious about the intersection of Ambien, meth, and acid recently, might recreate it with amphetamine, 2C-B and amanitas to see how it varies too.
I only really keep up with the USA RC scene, and I don't do a great job of that because I only know of one vendor. I try to keep an eye on things going on in Canada and China as it's still possible to get things though. It's also interesting to see what China is putting out. Saw the nitazenes become available about a month or so before it hit the USA. Was sad knowing that it was going to kill tons of people but nothing that I could do to stop it. But yeah, the RC scene in the states has been pretty dry for a while. I don't know if there are many vendors left.

Sounds like you have a bit of a psychoactive garden going on which is one of my dreams. I'm living in an apartment so its not possible for me, but to you intend to expand it?


Ambien is kind of interesting. It's extremely hit or miss for me. 9 times out of 10 I don't feel much. It's also a shitty hypnotic for me personally. I've taken up to 50mg and couldn't get to sleep. It can be kinda cozy too and the short duration is nice. I've only been able to get that strange sort of delerious, sort of psychedelic, sort of benzo like experience once and that was pretty interesting. I've never experienced anything like that before. I need to try my amanita some time. I picked a few caps and I should have enough for a dose. I'll probably try smaller doses as I'm more interested in it's hypnotic properties as a sleep aid.
 
There's every other drug that's achieved street drug status on there. Figured I'd have to learn chemistry and synth it myself. You are definitely more knowledgeable on the subject than I am. I'd love to go to school and study Organic Chemistry. Did you study it in school or are you all self taught? I know that there have been a number of great chemists who were self taught without school.
I would argue that PCP is kind of a vestigial drug at this point, it got so optics-fucked by being a "black drug", like crack vs. cocaine, or PCP vs. ketamine, the nearest analog that rich white people used is fine and acceptable but if a poor person or black person uses it, all of a sudden it's evil and makes you permanently crazy according to any old normie on the street. In school I got a degree in InfoSec, essentially studying propaganda and the interfaces of society and technology, and the ways that it presents a ton of issues to which we have virtually zero solutions. My background with all of that is weird, I started coding at 8, was deep into hacking by about 13-14, and it spiraled into a degree/career that has me now feeling like a fucking luddite. The attention economy makes me feel like the Unabomber, I guess I'm more along the lines of the "technooptimists" a la Aaron Swartz (RIP) in that technology should remain as anonymous and distributed as possible, but at the same time, the more it develops the more distance I believe is necessary to live a good life. Part of my adoration of BL is the fact that it's still an old school message board that doesn't want to connect your personal identity to others in a way that could provide meaningful advertising revenue. Sorry for the rant about this, every day that passes I just think more and more about how much technooptimism is a thing of the past that seems so distant now.

Clandestine chemistry was around me for as long as I can recall, specifically the production of amphetamines, then cannabis concentrates, then GHB. PCP that's produced in America is almost exclusively from the DMV/Philly area, and SoCal, both of these places produce some SUPER heinously polluted products that cannot hold a fucking candle to well made arylcyclohexylamines, I'm talking sub-20% purity in almost every sample analyzed, alongside things like PCA and elemental bromine contaminating samples to the point where I would personally avoid street PCP, just out of self-preservation. It's not tough to make if you're an actual chemist, but if you're making it how these gang affiliated cooks make it, in plastic trash bins with pool cleaner and shit, you're just not going to get a good product. Somehow the shit I went to school for and the things I'm good at have zero overlap, I'm just a nerdy autodidact. Attempts at diacetylating morphine when I was a high schooler were unproductive, but I was capable of making neat fireworks and I ended up focusing more on fragrance chem until I was about 21, LSD reoriented me towards psychedelic chem.
Man, that is so fucking awesome, pardon my french. Chemistry such as that really isn't suited to the city life. It's great that you're on your way to making this dream of yours happen. The dream of many of us here on BL, really. Having the possibility and ability to obtain those rarities through sweat, tears and good ole American hard work is really special. I can only imagine how good it must feel to work towards something and obtain it through you're own ability. The 4C compounds I find very interesting. It's a shame they haven't popped up. 2C-T-2 is by far my favorite psychedelic. I only tried it twice in fairly low doses and that was enough for it to earn its spot as my favorite psychedelic of all-time. That one is the best of the magical half dozen in my experience. Would also be interesting to see how TMT and TeMPEA are in comparison to Mescaline. So many things to explore, so little time. Chemistry is such a cool science. It seems like anything is possible with enough knowledge and hard work. It's ammazing to think that for all of the known drugs and psychoactive substances, that we may have only scratched the surface.
I appreciate the sentiments here, I'm always working on nerdy projects wherever I am, and whatever state I'm in. 4C-X's likely haven't been on the market much because they are just not economically right for production, they require higher doses to produce less effects than 2C-X's or DOx's, so why would they be produced if the motive is profit? The only people I've known who produce 4C-X's are silicon valley tech people who were trying to "optimize [their] workflow", but the concept of utilizing psychedelics to improve shareholder value as opposed to more meaningful things in life seems goofy as hell to me. 2C-T's in general seem neat, the only 2,4,5-Trisubstituted phenethylamines I've used so far are DOB, DOM, DOC, and 2C-B, then a few 25X-NBXX's. A group of chemists I've corresponded with have sampled TMT, 4-AcO-TMT, 5-MeO-TMT, and TeMPEA, and they found only 4-AcO-TMT to be worthwhile, but a couple noted unique effects from TMT orally in high doses while others reported it as completely inert.

Chemistry is one of the sciences that I feel got fucked over by the American education system terribly, because much like language learning or computer programming, people view it as exceptionally difficult when it's, in fact, simpler than I could reasonably articulate. Chemistry is also vital to common activities like cooking, yet people act like they're two separate things, when really cooking is just a sort of abstraction of chemistry that we're acclimated to being around. One of my biggest motivations with it is just to do my best with emulating Shulgin's mission of finding the best therapeutic psychedelics for psychotherapeutic applications.
I only really keep up with the USA RC scene, and I don't do a great job of that because I only know of one vendor. I try to keep an eye on things going on in Canada and China as it's still possible to get things though. It's also interesting to see what China is putting out. Saw the nitazenes become available about a month or so before it hit the USA. Was sad knowing that it was going to kill tons of people but nothing that I could do to stop it. But yeah, the RC scene in the states has been pretty dry for a while. I don't know if there are many vendors left.
RCs in the US are so fascinating to me because we have this pseudo-RC market of "gas station drugs", we used to find 2C-B and 5-MeO-DiPT in smoke shops and gas stations, now we're finding 4-HO-MET in gummies and tianeptine analogs in liquid shots, it's pretty wild. I think that the drug war originating in the US is why we have this kind of hush-hush culture surrounding RCs, whereas places like Canada and the Netherlands never had to be so quiet about drugs in the first place. Just my hunch on the matter.
Sounds like you have a bit of a psychoactive garden going on which is one of my dreams. I'm living in an apartment so its not possible for me, but to you intend to expand it?
I'm aiming at probably 600-1,000 square feet of greenhouse space, working with ~18 pepper plants in 200 square feet of space right now but I'll be trying to fit a couple hundred cacti in there too. The Lophophora plants are in my bedroom currently, but since I'm living in Florida now things like kratom and coca will grow super well. Living in an apartment you could still certainly cultivate columnar cacti, psilocybin containing fungi, HBWR, Banisteriopsis caapi, etc. if you wanted to, hell I was running a 28 plant cannabis grow out of a 7'x11' bedroom at one point. If you ever have any questions about this, don't hesitate to ask!
Ambien is kind of interesting. It's extremely hit or miss for me. 9 times out of 10 I don't feel much. It's also a shitty hypnotic for me personally. I've taken up to 50mg and couldn't get to sleep. It can be kinda cozy too and the short duration is nice. I've only been able to get that strange sort of delerious, sort of psychedelic, sort of benzo like experience once and that was pretty interesting. I've never experienced anything like that before. I need to try my amanita some time. I picked a few caps and I should have enough for a dose. I'll probably try smaller doses as I'm more interested in it's hypnotic properties as a sleep aid.
Most people seem to have a super hit or miss experience with Ambien like you mentioned here, but both Ambien as well as Lorazepam are consistently profoundly hallucinogenic for me, and I have no idea what causes that difference between people. I'm suspecting it's an enzymatic quirk but I have no idea. My current experience with Amanitas stems from a single batch, ~2/3-3/4 of a pound that one of my best friends shipped my way, and tbh I don't think it's Amanita muscaria. I think it's either pantherina or regalis, because a full smoked dose of this is like 5-10 milligrams of mushroom matter, not even just the cap, but any of the mushroom. If it was muscaria, it'd be potent to the point of being record setting, leading me to suspect it's one of the varieties more potent than muscaria. This shit feels like smoking Ambien, but way better and with less of a burn on the throat.
Yeah, I know that stimulant use is huge with trans-folk (trans-women in particular) and the queer community as a whole. I now know that a huge reason for my meth use is that it allowed me to explore my sexuality without some of the fear and anxiety that I had built up through my childhood/teen years over the fact that I might be gay. Also helped me feel more comfortable about my gender expression without as much fear about what other people may think. Going to have a nice psychedelic endeavor when I can with the intent to process and hopefully get control over some anxiety about the trans experience and my gender expression in the future. Still gotta tell dad and grandma and the extended family which is a source of anxiety. Anyways, I'm getting off track a bit.
A friend of mine who's ~32 and I always talk about how wild it is that we feel such a generational gap between the two of us with me being 26. It's super shocking how he and others around his age had this internalized fear of being perceived as queer, but I nor really any of my peers ever did. I came out at 15 and the only thing that changed is that my homies realized that since I'm into dudes, they can send me a fit pic and ask "Hey, does this look good? If not what should I change". He took until he was about 30 or so to come out, we're both bi, he's cis and I'm uh, idk, cis-ish? Agender? Idk, AMAB but I've never felt pulled either way. I dress masc, have a bigass beard, long hair, often do my nails, my straight friends tell me that they can't tell me apart from most metalheads but people around me a lot could often tell I was gender non-conforming in subtle ways. My mom said she knew I was queer just from my shoe choices, which I find hilarious. I'm grateful that I've had a 220 lb male body virtually my whole life (hit puberty at 8), because when trouble occurs I'm the stocky mfer who just slings a hoodie over someone's face from behind and pulls them down into a horrible (for them) grappling situation. If I woke up tomorrow in a female body I wouldn't give a fuck outside of just being annoyed I need to carry a gun more often than I need to right now.

The friend who's ~32 always talks about how growing up so many things about masculinity were pushed on him, the scorekeeping of how many women he's fucked, a bunch of weird macho shit, it's so funny the mind games that people can work themselves into surrounding gender expression when in reality it's completely arbitrary, and it's genuinely nothing but a personal choice of expression. I think gen Z made it out pretty well as far as not being constrained by this, at least for people I know and have run into consistently between Maine and Florida. I think I have a single friend who's straight straight, like a hard 0 on the Kinsey scale, the closest any others get is "Yeah I'm not into [insert either masculinity or feminity], so I just sleep with people based on gender expression regardless of biological sex", and that seems to be the norm. The aforementioned Gen X friend also became more comfortable with his queerness as a result of methamphetamine use, and I've found meth can bring out queerness pretty hard, but for me it was ayahuasca and then years later NEP that did it personally. What drugs outside of methamphetamine do you find useful for this? Which psychs/empathogens/dissos especially? I'm fascinated in the intersection of pharmaceutically assisted psychotherapy and trying to deprogram hetero/cisnormativity, colonialist biases, etc.
 
I would argue that PCP is kind of a vestigial drug at this point, it got so optics-fucked by being a "black drug", like crack vs. cocaine, or PCP vs. ketamine, the nearest analog that rich white people used is fine and acceptable but if a poor person or black person uses it, all of a sudden it's evil and makes you permanently crazy according to any old normie on the street. In school I got a degree in InfoSec, essentially studying propaganda and the interfaces of society and technology, and the ways that it presents a ton of issues to which we have virtually zero solutions. My background with all of that is weird, I started coding at 8, was deep into hacking by about 13-14, and it spiraled into a degree/career that has me now feeling like a fucking luddite. The attention economy makes me feel like the Unabomber, I guess I'm more along the lines of the "technooptimists" a la Aaron Swartz (RIP) in that technology should remain as anonymous and distributed as possible, but at the same time, the more it develops the more distance I believe is necessary to live a good life. Part of my adoration of BL is the fact that it's still an old school message board that doesn't want to connect your personal identity to others in a way that could provide meaningful advertising revenue. Sorry for the rant about this, every day that passes I just think more and more about how much technooptimism is a thing of the past that seems so distant now.

Clandestine chemistry was around me for as long as I can recall, specifically the production of amphetamines, then cannabis concentrates, then GHB. PCP that's produced in America is almost exclusively from the DMV/Philly area, and SoCal, both of these places produce some SUPER heinously polluted products that cannot hold a fucking candle to well made arylcyclohexylamines, I'm talking sub-20% purity in almost every sample analyzed, alongside things like PCA and elemental bromine contaminating samples to the point where I would personally avoid street PCP, just out of self-preservation. It's not tough to make if you're an actual chemist, but if you're making it how these gang affiliated cooks make it, in plastic trash bins with pool cleaner and shit, you're just not going to get a good product. Somehow the shit I went to school for and the things I'm good at have zero overlap, I'm just a nerdy autodidact. Attempts at diacetylating morphine when I was a high schooler were unproductive, but I was capable of making neat fireworks and I ended up focusing more on fragrance chem until I was about 21, LSD reoriented me towards psychedelic chem.
Thank you for providing a bit of your history. Thats really interesting. I can completely understand your changing views on technology over the years, especially with the way that things are heading, and have been for quite some time. That's a big part of the adoration that I have for Bluelight as well. I spent my whole teenage years on forums like this one, and spent a portion of my childhood forum message boards. It's funny, over the years I feel like I have made many more friends through message boards than through social media. Message boards have that layer of anonymity so you seem to picture of who a person is, whereas social media people are naturally gonna have that mask on that they expose to the world everyday because their name and face are attached to it. I definitely wouldn't talk about the things that I talk about here on social media.

I actually decided awhile back that I eventually wanted to take a road trip down to SoCal and/or Philly to try and procure some PCP. I figured that it wouldn't be the cleanest product but I had no clue that it was often sub-20% purity. That's fucking abysmal. I need to buckle down and make an honest attempt at teaching myself more about organic chemistry. I've done a decent enough job teaching myself about pharmacology. The chemistry side of things has always interested me, albeit a little bit less than pharmacology and pharmocokinetics. Can't say that I've heard of many high schoolers attempting to produce some heroin. Fragrance chem I always found interesting, in the sense that the fact that it exists I find fascinating.

I appreciate the sentiments here, I'm always working on nerdy projects wherever I am, and whatever state I'm in. 4C-X's likely haven't been on the market much because they are just not economically right for production, they require higher doses to produce less effects than 2C-X's or DOx's, so why would they be produced if the motive is profit? The only people I've known who produce 4C-X's are silicon valley tech people who were trying to "optimize [their] workflow", but the concept of utilizing psychedelics to improve shareholder value as opposed to more meaningful things in life seems goofy as hell to me. 2C-T's in general seem neat, the only 2,4,5-Trisubstituted phenethylamines I've used so far are DOB, DOM, DOC, and 2C-B, then a few 25X-NBXX's. A group of chemists I've corresponded with have sampled TMT, 4-AcO-TMT, 5-MeO-TMT, and TeMPEA, and they found only 4-AcO-TMT to be worthwhile, but a couple noted unique effects from TMT orally in high doses while others reported it as completely inert.

Chemistry is one of the sciences that I feel got fucked over by the American education system terribly, because much like language learning or computer programming, people view it as exceptionally difficult when it's, in fact, simpler than I could reasonably articulate. Chemistry is also vital to common activities like cooking, yet people act like they're two separate things, when really cooking is just a sort of abstraction of chemistry that we're acclimated to being around. One of my biggest motivations with it is just to do my best with emulating Shulgin's mission of finding the best therapeutic psychedelics for psychotherapeutic applications.
I agree about the idea of using psychedelics to improve your performance at work to be a bit off-putting. I guess that if work is someones entire life and they live to get on top or make their bosses happy, then who am I to judge? It has always rubbed me in the wrong way though.

I think that following in Shulgins footsteps is both a good goal and motivation. He barely scratched the surface in terms of possibilities but has blessed the world with his discoveries maybe more than he was able to understand in his lifetime. I obviously never knew the man, but I hope that he realized just what he did for many of us.

I'm aiming at probably 600-1,000 square feet of greenhouse space, working with ~18 pepper plants in 200 square feet of space right now but I'll be trying to fit a couple hundred cacti in there too. The Lophophora plants are in my bedroom currently, but since I'm living in Florida now things like kratom and coca will grow super well. Living in an apartment you could still certainly cultivate columnar cacti, psilocybin containing fungi, HBWR, Banisteriopsis caapi, etc. if you wanted to, hell I was running a 28 plant cannabis grow out of a 7'x11' bedroom at one point. If you ever have any questions about this, don't hesitate to ask!
It's great that you now have some space to have a pretty stellar garden. I'm sure that you'll end up with something spectacular.

Unfortunately I have a roommate currently, so I'm confined to my bedroom which has no closet to speak of. I do have a friend who cultivates mushrooms in his apartment. Has a room dedicated to them and he grows some real beauties. I do intend to get some sort of plant for my room, not necessarily psychoactive. Just to have something to care for.

Most people seem to have a super hit or miss experience with Ambien like you mentioned here, but both Ambien as well as Lorazepam are consistently profoundly hallucinogenic for me, and I have no idea what causes that difference between people. I'm suspecting it's an enzymatic quirk but I have no idea. My current experience with Amanitas stems from a single batch, ~2/3-3/4 of a pound that one of my best friends shipped my way, and tbh I don't think it's Amanita muscaria. I think it's either pantherina or regalis, because a full smoked dose of this is like 5-10 milligrams of mushroom matter, not even just the cap, but any of the mushroom. If it was muscaria, it'd be potent to the point of being record setting, leading me to suspect it's one of the varieties more potent than muscaria. This shit feels like smoking Ambien, but way better and with less of a burn on the throat.
That's interesting that you find lorazepam hallucinogenic. I think that you're the first person that I've heard say that. It is strange, my father was prescribed ambien for a while and it'd seem to make him hallucinate and he'd seem to get a bit delerious (believing that we'd be able to see what he could). That definitely sounds like stellar amanita, whatever variety it is. Hearing you describe it feeling like smoking ambien has me curious. You described it as having "less of a burn on the throat". Does that mean that you've smoked ambien before? I wasnt aware that people did that.

A friend of mine who's ~32 and I always talk about how wild it is that we feel such a generational gap between the two of us with me being 26. It's super shocking how he and others around his age had this internalized fear of being perceived as queer, but I nor really any of my peers ever did. I came out at 15 and the only thing that changed is that my homies realized that since I'm into dudes, they can send me a fit pic and ask "Hey, does this look good? If not what should I change". He took until he was about 30 or so to come out, we're both bi, he's cis and I'm uh, idk, cis-ish? Agender? Idk, AMAB but I've never felt pulled either way. I dress masc, have a bigass beard, long hair, often do my nails, my straight friends tell me that they can't tell me apart from most metalheads but people around me a lot could often tell I was gender non-conforming in subtle ways. My mom said she knew I was queer just from my shoe choices, which I find hilarious. I'm grateful that I've had a 220 lb male body virtually my whole life (hit puberty at 8), because when trouble occurs I'm the stocky mfer who just slings a hoodie over someone's face from behind and pulls them down into a horrible (for them) grappling situation. If I woke up tomorrow in a female body I wouldn't give a fuck outside of just being annoyed I need to carry a gun more often than I need to right now.

The friend who's ~32 always talks about how growing up so many things about masculinity were pushed on him, the scorekeeping of how many women he's fucked, a bunch of weird macho shit, it's so funny the mind games that people can work themselves into surrounding gender expression when in reality it's completely arbitrary, and it's genuinely nothing but a personal choice of expression. I think gen Z made it out pretty well as far as not being constrained by this, at least for people I know and have run into consistently between Maine and Florida. I think I have a single friend who's straight straight, like a hard 0 on the Kinsey scale, the closest any others get is "Yeah I'm not into [insert either masculinity or feminity], so I just sleep with people based on gender expression regardless of biological sex", and that seems to be the norm. The aforementioned Gen X friend also became more comfortable with his queerness as a result of methamphetamine use, and I've found meth can bring out queerness pretty hard, but for me it was ayahuasca and then years later NEP that did it personally. What drugs outside of methamphetamine do you find useful for this? Which psychs/empathogens/dissos especially? I'm fascinated in the intersection of pharmaceutically assisted psychotherapy and trying to deprogram hetero/cisnormativity, colonialist biases, etc.
The generations younger than mine seem to be more accepting at a much quicker rate than my generation was growing up. I'm 31, so I probably had a similar experience to your friend growing up. I mean, from a young age I just had this sense of being profoundly different than all of my friends. I related to queer characters in media, queer celebrities, etc (and this was when I was 5 or 6). Growing up "gay" was interchangable with the words lame, stupid, bad, things along those lines; so growing up there's this subconcious connection between being gay and being bad/lame/stupid all of these things, just through the association with the word. Throw on the fact that if you did anything a little bit femminine, or showed a little bit too much affection with your friends, or joked about being gay, all of your friends, the peers that you cared for and whose acceptance you relied on, starting calling you fag, and homo and calling you gay. That was just the normal experience. That was the experience between friends. I wasn't bullied at all and I can't even imagine what the experience for a queer kid who doesn't fit in at all is like. Luckily for me, I always made friends easily and was very popular all through elementary school and through middle school. In High School I became a bit more reserved and shy, but even then I had a decent sized group of friends and was well liked but not popular. So yeah, I think a lot of the apprehension, that I had at least, was that huge subconcious association with the word gay and the words lame/stupid/bad. It wasn't meant that way, but as a gay kid growing up, you here that being said and what you hear is "Being gay is bad", "Being gay is stupid", "Being gay is lame", etc ; and you feel forced further and further back into the closet each time. I came out at age 25 I think it was, and that was only after I was able to gain self-acceptance due to a decent strength mushroom trip showing myself who I really was. I'm happy that things are getting better, though with the current rhetoric in the country I'm sure that some places are taking a step or two back.

As for drugs that kind of bring my queerness forth? Basically any dopaminergic stimulant. Meth is the big one but even adderall, NEP, Pyros. Psychedelics in general, I don't think I'd say bring out the queerness, but I find myself feeling comfortable with who I am, so I see myself acting without the filter that I'd usually have out and about. That's just semantics though, you could say that they bring out the queerness. LSD,2CB, 4-HO-MIPT are all great for that. Those are the main psychedelics that I've used over the last few years, so it's hard for me to speak on others. I think that I did notice some of the effect on Allylescaline. MDMA and MDA are both ones that I find myself flirting more with guys, making moves or conversation with strangers that I would be less liekly to. As for dissociatives, 3-CL-PCP was great for that. About on the same level as meth for me personally. 3,4-MD-PCP is the one where I had the "oh shit, I'm trans" epiphany. I've had that same epiphany over the years on other dissociatives (DMXE comes to mind), but 3,4-MD-PCP was the one that made me go and seek out gender-affirming care. Now that I'm not on a dissociative, it has been a struggle. I've been fighting the urge to just stop the hormones and go back to how I was living, but the fact that I've had probably at least a dozen or more "oh shit, I'm trans" moments since I was 19 or 20, leads me to believe that I am indeed a trans woman. Not to mention the fact that I relate a bit more to the trans experience than the gay experience, although I relate very, very much to both. I am gearing up for a psychedelic trip to try and figure some things out. Will probably do some Miprocin at a bit of a higher dose than I typically do, and I want to get a dissociative to use along with it.

It's funny that you mention ayahuasca, I've heard more than a few reports of trans women seeing themselves as a woman and seeing themselves happy for the first time. That was exactly how I'd describe my fairly recent 3,4-MD-PCP experience
 
Thank you for providing a bit of your history. Thats really interesting. I can completely understand your changing views on technology over the years, especially with the way that things are heading, and have been for quite some time. That's a big part of the adoration that I have for Bluelight as well. I spent my whole teenage years on forums like this one, and spent a portion of my childhood forum message boards. It's funny, over the years I feel like I have made many more friends through message boards than through social media. Message boards have that layer of anonymity so you seem to picture of who a person is, whereas social media people are naturally gonna have that mask on that they expose to the world everyday because their name and face are attached to it. I definitely wouldn't talk about the things that I talk about here on social media.
I've recently been on a hunt for other things to help with feeling interconnected while also "unplugging" more. What have you found helps you? I recently realized that Signal is non-functional on my phone so I lost touch with a good handful of my chemist/psychonaut friends which sucks, anyone reading this who has contacted me over that, I literally cannot get it to operate, sorry about that. DM Me here if you tried to reach out on Signal and couldn't get ahold of me, I'll figure out some other avenue of communication.
I actually decided awhile back that I eventually wanted to take a road trip down to SoCal and/or Philly to try and procure some PCP. I figured that it wouldn't be the cleanest product but I had no clue that it was often sub-20% purity. That's fucking abysmal. I need to buckle down and make an honest attempt at teaching myself more about organic chemistry. I've done a decent enough job teaching myself about pharmacology. The chemistry side of things has always interested me, albeit a little bit less than pharmacology and pharmocokinetics. Can't say that I've heard of many high schoolers attempting to produce some heroin. Fragrance chem I always found interesting, in the sense that the fact that it exists I find fascinating.
High school me knew that heroin was worth significantly more than the morphine that it was created from, but the closest I ever got was likely some super impure 6-MAM, as acetylating morphine isn't really trivially simple. I had much better luck making fireworks and the sort, personally. As far as chemistry goes, if you have any questions feel free to hit me up.
That's interesting that you find lorazepam hallucinogenic. I think that you're the first person that I've heard say that. It is strange, my father was prescribed ambien for a while and it'd seem to make him hallucinate and he'd seem to get a bit delerious (believing that we'd be able to see what he could). That definitely sounds like stellar amanita, whatever variety it is. Hearing you describe it feeling like smoking ambien has me curious. You described it as having "less of a burn on the throat". Does that mean that you've smoked ambien before? I wasnt aware that people did that.
Lorazepam is hallucinogenic for an incredibly small subset of the population, I wouldn't be shocked if it's below 1%, but I have met others who experience this. As a teenager I would smoke Dilaudid and Ambien sometimes for a more intense effect, Ambien was probably the first hallucinogen I actually really took to and enjoyed. As far as the amanita, I was told that it's muscaria but I strongly doubt it based on potency, it's all macerated into a fine powder right now so I can't visually identify it but it's quite yellow, which makes me think either regalis or pantherina based on potency as well as appearance.
 
I've recently been on a hunt for other things to help with feeling interconnected while also "unplugging" more. What have you found helps you?
In terms of feeling some sort of connection with a human while unplugging a bit from the standard societal platforms (insta, FB, X, etc.)? I haven't found much but I Haven't exactly been looking. There's always Dread which is a good forum, becuase people have to at least know how to access it through TOR so it has more people who care enough to put in some sort of work or have the intelligence to figure things out compared to reddit. There's also Discord but I don't use it much. Seems like when I try the social groups are well established. I know I could get "in" if I wanted but the conversation moves fast and haven't found a group or server that I'm interested in enough to get on Discord multiple times a day, like I do here. There's also Telegram which is great if you find a decent group, which is difficult, but when you do it can be chill.

In terms of drugs what I use to feel interconnected with both people/society/humankind while also unplugging are, of course, dissociatives. Ideally one that makes me feel like "I'm onto something". 3,4-MD-PCP is the one that most recently gave me that feeling, but the mania is sneaky and can build to be extremely strong. I was worried I was gonna hurt myself at some point. I wanna try that stuff again but it scares me now, which is probably good.

High school me knew that heroin was worth significantly more than the morphine that it was created from, but the closest I ever got was likely some super impure 6-MAM, as acetylating morphine isn't really trivially simple. I had much better luck making fireworks and the sort, personally. As far as chemistry goes, if you have any questions feel free to hit me up.

Lorazepam is hallucinogenic for an incredibly small subset of the population, I wouldn't be shocked if it's below 1%, but I have met others who experience this. As a teenager I would smoke Dilaudid and Ambien sometimes for a more intense effect, Ambien was probably the first hallucinogen I actually really took to and enjoyed. As far as the amanita, I was told that it's muscaria but I strongly doubt it based on potency, it's all macerated into a fine powder right now so I can't visually identify it but it's quite yellow, which makes me think either regalis or pantherina based on potency as well as appearance.
Even the fact that you attempted it in high school is impressive. Was the morphine extracted from pills or did you use opium or what? If you don't mind my asking.

Lorazepam is hallucinogenic for an incredibly small subset of the population, I wouldn't be shocked if it's below 1%, but I have met others who experience this. As a teenager I would smoke Dilaudid and Ambien sometimes for a more intense effect, Ambien was probably the first hallucinogen I actually really took to and enjoyed. As far as the amanita, I was told that it's muscaria but I strongly doubt it based on potency, it's all macerated into a fine powder right now so I can't visually identify it but it's quite yellow, which makes me think either regalis or pantherina based on potency as well as appearance.
Ambien and an opioid sounds like an interesting combo. My ex used to be addicted to benzos BAD. We'd always be ordering Etizest and then moved on to getting grams of Etizolam, Diclazepam, Clonazolam and making solutions. When she'd get REALLY fucked up and probably blacked out, from my perspective, the outside looking in, it looked like watching someone who was experiencing delirium. Saying random things, going to do something and then freezing in her tracks, talking to someone who isn't there then "waking up" to realize that they weren't there.

Is Lorazepam hallucinogenic in the way that zolpidem is for you? Does zopiclone produce similar effects, assuming you've tried it?

It could be some clusterfuck mix of different amanita varieties. If it was A.Muscaria then it truly would have been an impressive specimen. Would love to know the environment and climate that that patch popped up in.


On another note, @Esperighanto or anyone else; has anyone combined 7-OH with a psychedelic? I'm hoping to get some soon and I think it just sounds like a nice cozy way to end the trip and make it a bit easier to drift off.
 
In terms of drugs what I use to feel interconnected with both people/society/humankind while also unplugging are, of course, dissociatives. Ideally one that makes me feel like "I'm onto something". 3,4-MD-PCP is the one that most recently gave me that feeling, but the mania is sneaky and can build to be extremely strong. I was worried I was gonna hurt myself at some point. I wanna try that stuff again but it scares me now, which is probably good.
I've decided to start snailmailing some of the homies just for the fucks of it tbh. As far as connective drugs, I've always found LSD, ketamine/2-FXE/CanKet/PCP analogs, and mushrooms to excel at it, but also recently 2C-B has been great for it. If I ever come across 3,4-MDPCP I'll definitely give it a shot in some social settings! I found NEP to also be a great socializer but it's prone to inducing group sex antics also. Not as prone as acid and coca tea/ephedrine/kanna, but close.
Even the fact that you attempted it in high school is impressive. Was the morphine extracted from pills or did you use opium or what? If you don't mind my asking.
I appreciate the comment on this, I've always been a huge nerd about a ton of shit. It was cold water extracted from pills, only certain manufacturers' pills will cleanly CWE but whenever I'd come upon some I'd try to acetylate them, and I was always hesitant to try the end product as heroin is one of the worst feeling drugs I've ever used in my entire life, ever. The CWE process is the same as people use nowadays when they homebrew lean.
Ambien and an opioid sounds like an interesting combo. My ex used to be addicted to benzos BAD. We'd always be ordering Etizest and then moved on to getting grams of Etizolam, Diclazepam, Clonazolam and making solutions. When she'd get REALLY fucked up and probably blacked out, from my perspective, the outside looking in, it looked like watching someone who was experiencing delirium. Saying random things, going to do something and then freezing in her tracks, talking to someone who isn't there then "waking up" to realize that they weren't there.
Combining them was kind of a waste imo as Dilaudid made it harder to interact with the Ambien hallucinations, I find Ambien to be quite stimulating which is also a peculiar response I suppose. My fiance and I once planned and executed a binge of ~14mg of flualprazolam on his part, and ~24mg of bromazolam on mine. I passed out after a while, but he entered a state much like you described here. It was like he was bouncing between reliving past memories from early childhood, experiencing delirium akin to when he accidentally ate 750mg of pure MDMA HCl (my bad on that one). Later after I passed out he took numerous times the fatal dose of MDA, 25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOH, I was missing a bunch of super potent liquid LSD, a ton of meth addies went missing, I'm pretty sure he was either trying to undo the benzo or was trying to kill himself in a blackout, no way to tell now, but the story doesn't end there. He woke me up the next morning ready to go to work, but neither of us noticed his shirt was on backwards. I drove him to work, and he proceeded to lose that job that day because of still being so barred out he was falling all over the kitchen, but I personally suspect that he was under the influence of an unfathomable amount of stimulants and psychedelics on top of the benzodiazepines present in his system. He called and canceled the same Uber three times to get home, and lost his taser case but still had his taser which was interesting.
Is Lorazepam hallucinogenic in the way that zolpidem is for you? Does zopiclone produce similar effects, assuming you've tried it?
Lorazepam is closer to a deliriant and zolpidem is closer to a psychedelic (closest to amanitas, the GABAergic hallucinogen type of feeling). I've never tried zopiclone but I'm open to trying (and inventing) any Z-drug essentially, a plot of mine is to try to expand upon the countless scaffolds of Z-drugs to see if I can find therapeutically applicable hallucinogens in there. Lorazepam hallucinations were things like my homie knocking on the door, coming in, we're sitting down chatting and then without even blinking he just vanishes because he was actually never there in the first place. There was another experience that I think I've detailed here on BL before, I was a few weeks out of a triple back-to-back surgery and a maybe 4-6 month stint living in the hospital, and the house I was living in could oversee a dogpark by a river and a huge military-industrial complex shipyard. I was looking outside at the dog park and it was the most beautiful spring day I'd ever seen in my entire goddamn life, ever. Each blade of grass was perfectly visible, the dogs playing with one another were somehow communicating broadcasted messages of overwhelming euphoria, and then I realized I could see every single hair on every dog in the park and I realized something was off, but I was so overwhelmingly drowned in euphoria that I didn't really give a shit about how strange it seemed. I was 14-15 years old, and my mother was at the other end of the house, so I yelled in her direction "Why is the window open on such a beautiful spring day?". Opening the window involved essentially doing a pull-up on the window frame since it was such an old, creaky New England home, and as I opened the window, a rather large amount of snow and ice clobbered me from the top of my head to my collarbones because it was actually the middle of winter in Maine and I had hallucinated the entire thing. I still crack up thinking about my mother yelling back from across the house "What are you doing?!"
It could be some clusterfuck mix of different amanita varieties. If it was A.Muscaria then it truly would have been an impressive specimen. Would love to know the environment and climate that that patch popped up in.
It was from the common Amanita provider online whose name includes an abbreviation of a US state and then a word synonymous with "kind", I have no clue as to the origin but the fact that I'm sitting on maybe 300+ grams of this shit implies I probably have a decade or so worth of it on hand which is nice. I'm lowkey a drug hoarder, the only ones I have trouble keeping around so far are LSD, DOC, carisoprodol, and cannabis. I'm the type of guy to put a sheet of acid down in a month or less if I'm able to, and that's me exercising restraint, and never redosing until my tolerance is back down.
On another note, @Esperighanto or anyone else; has anyone combined 7-OH with a psychedelic? I'm hoping to get some soon and I think it just sounds like a nice cozy way to end the trip and make it a bit easier to drift off.
As is probably expected, yeah I've mixed 7-OH with probably 10+ psychedelics, usually I insufflate or vaporize 7-OH because it hits significantly harder via those RoAs. LSD, 2C-B, DOM, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-MET and DOB all really shined with it, but for different reasons. LSD, 2C-B and Miprocin were made significantly more euphoric, DOB and DOM were turned into almost sedative trance-like experience, and metocin took on this totally novel flavor that reminded me more of 4-AcO-DMT where it had me thinking shit like "I could make a positive difference in the world by stealing the spark plugs out of the Kubotas clearcutting near my house".
 
Opioids/opiates plus psychedelics (particularly LSD and Psilacetin for me so far) are the best combos I’ve ever taken. Especially oxycodone, but I don’t think I’ll ever get my hands on any ever again the way things are.
 
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I've decided to start snailmailing some of the homies just for the fucks of it tbh. As far as connective drugs, I've always found LSD, ketamine/2-FXE/CanKet/PCP analogs, and mushrooms to excel at it, but also recently 2C-B has been great for it. If I ever come across 3,4-MDPCP I'll definitely give it a shot in some social settings!
Haven't used psychedelics in any sort of social setting in quite a while, but back in the day LSD and 2CB were definitely great for feeling connected to people. I also agree that dissociaitves are as well. I really enjoy dissociatives in social settings, it's always a blast. I have yet to try 3,4-MD-PCP in a social setting but I imagine it'd be pretty fun with the right people. It's very capable in terms of producing mania which might lead to some fun times.

I found NEP to also be a great socializer but it's prone to inducing group sex antics also. Not as prone as acid and coca tea/ephedrine/kanna, but close.
Well that doesn't sound like a bad time at all. I wish I had a bigger circle of friends lol

I appreciate the comment on this, I've always been a huge nerd about a ton of shit. It was cold water extracted from pills, only certain manufacturers' pills will cleanly CWE but whenever I'd come upon some I'd try to acetylate them, and I was always hesitant to try the end product as heroin is one of the worst feeling drugs I've ever used in my entire life, ever. The CWE process is the same as people use nowadays when they homebrew lean.
I've never heard of people home brewing lean before. I can see that being a fun hobby. I think that you're the first person that I've heard say that about heroin. Is it most opioids that make you feel shitty or is that strictly heroin? What about it feels bad? Do you enjoy other opioids. Sorry for the hundred questions. I found heroin to feel great but also shitty. It's hard to describe. There's something really tranquil yet dirty feeling with heroin. If given the choice I think I might choose Morphine or Oxycodone over heroin but there is something really euphoric about a good shot of heroin, although it has a bit of a sweet spot imo. Worst part about it for me is that it was so incredibly itvhy. Much moreso than other opioids. Sometimes ity made me itch so bad that it really ruined the entire high

Combining them was kind of a waste imo as Dilaudid made it harder to interact with the Ambien hallucinations, I find Ambien to be quite stimulating which is also a peculiar response I suppose. My fiance and I once planned and executed a binge of ~14mg of flualprazolam on his part, and ~24mg of bromazolam on mine. I passed out after a while, but he entered a state much like you described here. It was like he was bouncing between reliving past memories from early childhood, experiencing delirium akin to when he accidentally ate 750mg of pure MDMA HCl (my bad on that one). Later after I passed out he took numerous times the fatal dose of MDA, 25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOH, I was missing a bunch of super potent liquid LSD, a ton of meth addies went missing, I'm pretty sure he was either trying to undo the benzo or was trying to kill himself in a blackout, no way to tell now, but the story doesn't end there. He woke me up the next morning ready to go to work, but neither of us noticed his shirt was on backwards. I drove him to work, and he proceeded to lose that job that day because of still being so barred out he was falling all over the kitchen, but I personally suspect that he was under the influence of an unfathomable amount of stimulants and psychedelics on top of the benzodiazepines present in his system. He called and canceled the same Uber three times to get home, and lost his taser case but still had his taser which was interesting.
That sounds like a hell of an experience. It's wild how badly benzos can mess with a persons ability to make rational dicisions. Benzos really taught me that anxiety truly is a tool used by the body and brain used to process and execute decisions. Being completely anxiety free almost always leads to some profoundly stupid decision making. At least in my experience and that I've witnessed in others. I'm glad that they're okay though. I've always been strictly against peer pressure but there is one time where I actively played the role of pressuring someone. Had a friend who was profoundly addicted to xanax. Always carried a plastic sandwich bag full of them. He worked in a metal shop with tons of dangerous equipment. He'd wake up blacked out and try heading into work very visibly stilll intoxicated from the night before. I'd still be up getting high on meth, and I'd make him smoke with me until I deemed him lucid enough to go into work. I tried telling him to call out but he refused to do it, so I just felt like all I could do to help prevent him from severly injuring or killing himself or others was tom make him smoke plenty of meth.


Lorazepam is closer to a deliriant and zolpidem is closer to a psychedelic (closest to amanitas, the GABAergic hallucinogen type of feeling). I've never tried zopiclone but I'm open to trying (and inventing) any Z-drug essentially, a plot of mine is to try to expand upon the countless scaffolds of Z-drugs to see if I can find therapeutically applicable hallucinogens in there. Lorazepam hallucinations were things like my homie knocking on the door, coming in, we're sitting down chatting and then without even blinking he just vanishes because he was actually never there in the first place. There was another experience that I think I've detailed here on BL before, I was a few weeks out of a triple back-to-back surgery and a maybe 4-6 month stint living in the hospital, and the house I was living in could oversee a dogpark by a river and a huge military-industrial complex shipyard. I was looking outside at the dog park and it was the most beautiful spring day I'd ever seen in my entire goddamn life, ever. Each blade of grass was perfectly visible, the dogs playing with one another were somehow communicating broadcasted messages of overwhelming euphoria, and then I realized I could see every single hair on every dog in the park and I realized something was off, but I was so overwhelmingly drowned in euphoria that I didn't really give a shit about how strange it seemed. I was 14-15 years old, and my mother was at the other end of the house, so I yelled in her direction "Why is the window open on such a beautiful spring day?". Opening the window involved essentially doing a pull-up on the window frame since it was such an old, creaky New England home, and as I opened the window, a rather large amount of snow and ice clobbered me from the top of my head to my collarbones because it was actually the middle of winter in Maine and I had hallucinated the entire thing. I still crack up thinking about my mother yelling back from across the house "What are you doing?!"
That is a hell of a hallucination. I'm surprised to hear it come from lorazepam. Lorazepam is the benzo that was hardest to detect any sort of psychoactive effect for me. Eased my anxiety but did not feel altered in any way other than that. Zolpidem however gave me visuals probably most similar to DPT. Not quite in the intensity of them but the fact that they we're 3D. The visuals weren't just alterations of what I was actually looking at like most psychedelics, but rathe producing free forming hallucinations floating in the middle of the room, taking up space like a person would.

It was from the common Amanita provider online whose name includes an abbreviation of a US state and then a word synonymous with "kind", I have no clue as to the origin but the fact that I'm sitting on maybe 300+ grams of this shit implies I probably have a decade or so worth of it on hand which is nice. I'm lowkey a drug hoarder, the only ones I have trouble keeping around so far are LSD, DOC, carisoprodol, and cannabis. I'm the type of guy to put a sheet of acid down in a month or less if I'm able to, and that's me exercising restraint, and never redosing until my tolerance is back down.
That is good to know. I got an ad for them the other day and checked out their site and was thinking of getting a few thing. That's what reminded me that I was interested in trying lotus, I saw it while window shopping. I have yet to try amanita but they sound better and better the more that I hear about them. I have a few dried caps from last mushroom season that I picked and dried. Have yet to try them though.

It's interesting that you've struggled to keep DOC and Acid around for any length of time, though I do see the appeal. I think I'd do the same if I had a job where I was able to do so. Spending a month doing that sounds like a good time. Carisoprodol I definitely struggle to keep around. I'll take it every night if I have it around. Started getting into cannabis again lately. It freaked me out for the longest time. Always gave me anxiiety. I've really been missing it though, so I think I just willed my brainf into framing things differently and now I can smoke and enjoy it. Just missed it enough that I was like "nah, I'm going to enjoy this again" and it actually worked.

As is probably expected, yeah I've mixed 7-OH with probably 10+ psychedelics, usually I insufflate or vaporize 7-OH because it hits significantly harder via those RoAs. LSD, 2C-B, DOM, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-MET and DOB all really shined with it, but for different reasons. LSD, 2C-B and Miprocin were made significantly more euphoric, DOB and DOM were turned into almost sedative trance-like experience, and metocin took on this totally novel flavor that reminded me more of 4-AcO-DMT where it had me thinking shit like "I could make a positive difference in the world by stealing the spark plugs out of the Kubotas clearcutting near my house".
That is great to know! I have a gram on my way so I'll be trying it soon. Was gonna trip the other day but I had to take some mirtazapine the 2 nights prior and I didn't wanna waste anything by the mirtazapine blocking it, so I'll try it in another month or so after my roommate leaves for another business trip. I think 4-HO-MIPT is gonna be my next trip, unless I decide to take something while at the Ott show. So I'll for sure try the 7-OH with it on the comedown. I got my sublocade shot over 30 days ago so I'm hoping that most of the buprenorphine has left my sestem, but I did some reading on it the other day and apparantely the buprenorphine can take from 5- 12 months to completely leave the body, so that kinda blows.

I'ved never had thoughts of that flavor while on 4-ACO-DMT before, though it's been a decade or longer since I've taken a4-ACO-DMT as the primary psychedelic for the night. I've added 3-6mg tright after the peak of my forays into other 4-substituted tryptamines, mainly metocin and miprocin. You really have a way of making some combos that I never would have put too much into and making them sound lovely.

Opioids/opiates plus psychedelics (particularly LSD and Psilacetin for me so far) are the best combos I’ve ever taken. Especially oxycodone, but I don’t think I’ll ever get my hands on any ever again the way things are.
That is fabtastic to hear. I'll have to give it a shot for sure. I've only ever mixed kratom with a psychedelic before, in terms of opioids. LSD + Heroin is high on my "combos to try before I die" list.

Will be getting to try MXPCP which I'm excited about and will also be able to give 3,4-MD-PCP another go soon. Only ever tried it one time where I binged on it for a few days and things got wild. It did feel very therapeutic at times though. Now that I recognize how much respect it deserves, I think I'll be able to handle it better without going crazy with it. Will also have the chance to try FXipr soon which I'm also very excited about considering how great FXE was. I'm looking forward to my next psychedelic experience. Really hoping the stars align for me soon
 
It's interesting that you've struggled to keep DOC and Acid around for any length of time, though I do see the appeal. I think I'd do the same if I had a job where I was able to do so. Spending a month doing that sounds like a good time. Carisoprodol I definitely struggle to keep around. I'll take it every night if I have it around. Started getting into cannabis again lately. It freaked me out for the longest time. Always gave me anxiiety. I've really been missing it though, so I think I just willed my brainf into framing things differently and now I can smoke and enjoy it. Just missed it enough that I was like "nah, I'm going to enjoy this again" and it actually worked.
Acid is probably the only drug I would have a serious addictivity issue with, if the tolerance didn't form so dramatically. Carisoprodol can be eaten pretty quickly, I think my 100 gram record is between 2 and 3 weeks, hard stop at ~6g/day with no indications of dependence which was unexpected. For me it's often combinations that get sticky, 7-OH+Carisoprodol, 2C-B+LSD, Harmaline+Mushrooms, Bupropion+Kratom, etc.

I'm glad you got back into weed, it's truly one of the least harmful and most useful drugs I could ever imagine, but I think society leads people to view it as a toy when in reality it's containing more profundity than the majority of serotonergic psychedelics. It just demands a certain respect, like salvia.
I'd make him smoke with me until I deemed him lucid enough to go into work. I tried telling him to call out but he refused to do it, so I just felt like all I could do to help prevent him from severly injuring or killing himself or others was tom make him smoke plenty of meth.
I have had people do "lock-in lines" before going to work in kitchens when super out of it, as a similar safety measure. The lines were amphetamine.
I've never heard of people home brewing lean before. I can see that being a fun hobby. I think that you're the first person that I've heard say that about heroin. Is it most opioids that make you feel shitty or is that strictly heroin? What about it feels bad? Do you enjoy other opioids. Sorry for the hundred questions. I found heroin to feel great but also shitty. It's hard to describe. There's something really tranquil yet dirty feeling with heroin. If given the choice I think I might choose Morphine or Oxycodone over heroin but there is something really euphoric about a good shot of heroin, although it has a bit of a sweet spot imo. Worst part about it for me is that it was so incredibly itvhy. Much moreso than other opioids. Sometimes ity made me itch so bad that it really ruined the entire high
Just made some phenazolam lean (phenazolean?) and poured up in a 2 liter Starry, 1.6mg total because holy shit is this compound way more potent than I expected. As far as the heroin response goes, oxycodone and opana and dilaudid land fine on me, in hospital settings running into fentanyl is okay, morphine and codeine are okay, but every time I've used heroin I can't tell where I am, who's around me, or what's going on at all. It fucking sucks, I cannot understand why people use a drug like that, but I also understand that it's just my own subjective responses to it. I've had blackouts induced from oxycodone and dilaudid before that were similar, but nothing has ever had a 100% success rate like heroin does. Never apologize for asking questions or anything either, I'm here because I want to talk!
 
I'm glad you got back into weed, it's truly one of the least harmful and most useful drugs I could ever imagine, but I think society leads people to view it as a toy when in reality it's containing more profundity than the majority of serotonergic psychedelics. It just demands a certain respect, like salvia.
It's good to be back lol. It's gotten to where I look forward to getting home from work and settling in so that I can smoke. Was playing Call of Duty one night maybe a year or so ago and was talking with my body about how weed now gives me horrible anxiety. Someone else heard and jumped into the conversation and it somehow ended up on the fact that weed and coke both give me horrible anxiety but I can do methamphetamine in insance amounts for days at a time and it actually lowers my anxiety. The people in the CoD lobby just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that someone who loves meth can find cannabis too intense.

Just made some phenazolam lean (phenazolean?) and poured up in a 2 liter Starry, 1.6mg total because holy shit is this compound way more potent than I expected. As far as the heroin response goes, oxycodone and opana and dilaudid land fine on me, in hospital settings running into fentanyl is okay, morphine and codeine are okay, but every time I've used heroin I can't tell where I am, who's around me, or what's going on at all. It fucking sucks, I cannot understand why people use a drug like that, but I also understand that it's just my own subjective responses to it. I've had blackouts induced from oxycodone and dilaudid before that were similar, but nothing has ever had a 100% success rate like heroin does. Never apologize for asking questions or anything either, I'm here because I want to talk!
interesting the heroin effects you that way. Maybe its for the best. Really goes to show that there's plenty of truth in the saying "different strokes for different folks". I've never had a delirious response to heroin like that, but I've seen it happen to people. In fact, I was in rehab one time with this guy. He was in his late 50's/early 60's. Very tall, huge stature but the sweetest guy that you could imagine. Huge heart and very caring. Early during his stay he had to leave the treatment facility and stay at the hospital because his cirrhosis was taking a turn for the worse. At the hospital they gave him morphine and he reacted badly. Was hallucinating vividly and attacking nurses and stuff until security could get him sedated. Once he made a full recovery he went back and visited and brought them a huge bouquet of flowers to apologize. My grandmother also hallucinates some horrible shit when given morphine. Does it give you hallucinations or do you simply blackout?
 
The people in the CoD lobby just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that someone who loves meth can find cannabis too intense.

It's good to be back lol. It's gotten to where I look forward to getting home from work and settling in so that I can smoke. Was playing Call of Duty one night maybe a year or so ago and was talking with my body about how weed now gives me horrible anxiety. Someone else heard and jumped into the conversation and it somehow ended up on the fact that weed and coke both give me horrible anxiety but I can do methamphetamine in insance amounts for days at a time and it actually lowers my anxiety. The people in the CoD lobby just couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that someone who loves meth can find cannabis too intense.
I have many friends who love LSD even in wicked high doses, nbomes too, 2c-b, but mushrooms, ketamine, cannabis and ayahuasca can be scarier it seems.
interesting the heroin effects you that way. Maybe its for the best. Really goes to show that there's plenty of truth in the saying "different strokes for different folks". I've never had a delirious response to heroin like that, but I've seen it happen to people. In fact, I was in rehab one time with this guy. He was in his late 50's/early 60's. Very tall, huge stature but the sweetest guy that you could imagine. Huge heart and very caring. Early during his stay he had to leave the treatment facility and stay at the hospital because his cirrhosis was taking a turn for the worse. At the hospital they gave him morphine and he reacted badly. Was hallucinating vividly and attacking nurses and stuff until security could get him sedated. Once he made a full recovery he went back and visited and brought them a huge bouquet of flowers to apologize. My grandmother also hallucinates some horrible shit when given morphine. Does it give you hallucinations or do you simply blackout?
It's intense hallucinations and delirium, often with implications of terror. Much contrary to that experience, my fiance and I are currently Hoovering up 3-MeO-2'-oxo-PCP at whatever rate we consider the max, to try to characterize it. It's shockingly unique, but it's closest to 2F-DCK/CanKet, watching Over The Garden Wall right now. Tempted to try a psychedelic to spice it up, I may tonight.
 
I have many friends who love LSD even in wicked high doses, nbomes too, 2c-b, but mushrooms, ketamine, cannabis and ayahuasca can be scarier it seems.
I can see that. I always have a great time on LSD no matter the dosage. 2C-B can give me moments of anxiety and intensity, but I've never had a 2cB trip that I've looked back on and felt negatively about. 25b-NBOMe has had me traveling towards a bad trip twice before but I've been able to pull myself back from the brink. 25i-NBOMe is a barrel of laughs. I definitely can see that about both ketamine and mushrooms. I've never tried ayahuasca but I can see that being true of 4-ACO-DMT which seems to have some similarities to ayahuasca from what I hear. I've done a type of pharmahuasca once with HOT-7 and DMT and both me and my friend had a difficult time. I wouldn't call it a bad trip but something felt sinister about it.

It's intense hallucinations and delirium, often with implications of terror. Much contrary to that experience, my fiance and I are currently Hoovering up 3-MeO-2'-oxo-PCP at whatever rate we consider the max, to try to characterize it. It's shockingly unique, but it's closest to 2F-DCK/CanKet, watching Over The Garden Wall right now. Tempted to try a psychedelic to spice it up, I may tonight.
Sounds like a good night to me! I've not yet watched Over The Garden Wall but it's on my list. Maybe I'll follow in your footsteps tomorrow as my MXPCP should be here by then. Hearing you describe it as "shockingly unique" excites me very much. Can't wait to try it. I really feel like I'll enjoy it. Usually when I have that sort of gut feeling about a dissociative or psychedelic, the gut feeling proves to be true. Maybe that plays into what we were talking about earlier with the MDMA/MDA comedowns. People go in expecting trouble so they untilmately come across it. I go in expecting magic and am able to manifest some. Whatever the cause is, whether its on a chemical level or psychological level, I'll take it
 
I go in expecting magic and am able to manifest some. Whatever the cause is, whether its on a chemical level or psychological level, I'll take it
So we are nearing the end of the experience, I took a bump of allylescaline which is technically intersecting with 2 tenstrips of MDMB-4en-PINACA, an unmeasured large box mod hit of HHC, 100mg of THC-O, 300mg bupropion, 200mg caffeine, 25mg promethazine, and I've probably kept myself redosed into the k-hole equivalent for this compound on and off for ~8 hours so far by insufflating ~300mg total tonight, about to finish the lines of MXPCP (3-MeO-2'-oxo-PCP), this compound is prone to recursive states of thought in high doses. It feels fantastic, physically wearing a bathrobe is a hedonistic act and sex is still possible unlike a normal completely nonresponsive k-hole where I'm just slumped over the area of former lines of ketamine.
I definitely can see that about both ketamine and mushrooms. I've never tried ayahuasca but I can see that being true of 4-ACO-DMT which seems to have some similarities to ayahuasca from what I hear. I've done a type of pharmahuasca once with HOT-7 and DMT and both me and my friend had a difficult time. I wouldn't call it a bad trip but something felt sinister about it.
It's fascinating to me that you could end up in possession of a Shulgin rarity like HOT-7 without first having bumped into some Banisteriopsis capii, I find that so fascinating. I ran into psilocybin before LSD, and of course ayahuasca vine before any sources of DMT, HOT-7 is the kind of thing that only comes from proximity to a chemist I'd imagine, or was it an RC in the past that's been bouncing between pockets?

Please excuse any typos, I'm diss'd out of my fucking mind right now. Going to attempt to compare/contrast PCx's here.

Arylcyclohexylamines I've used in the past: Ketamine, 3-HO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCE, 2F-DCK, DCK, CanKet/2-FXE.
Other dissos: Salvia, nitrous, (does DMT or DPT count?).

3-HO-PCP Is specifically annoying because at even a rather low dose, it disrupts my vestibular occular response and it makes my eyes not line up, causing me to see double, but I still find it to induce a valuable enough mystical state to have consumed ~2 grams of it so far, a gram of 3-MeO-PCP, and a gram of 3-HO-PCE. "MXPCP", 3-MeO-2'-Oxo-PCP is experientially in the middle of 2F-DCK/2-FXE and 3-MeO-PCP. It feels like these two got blurred together somehow, a tinge of 3-MeO-PCP got left in a supply of CanKet and now I have this powder. I would believe it. If more than half of my testing reagents weren't found to have been expired (first order in roughly a year) I would have reagent test results for this batch, I'll keep some around to run later just in case. I only read Nervewing's report of MXPCP leading up to this (Nervewing is my fucking muse) and I honestly feel like we might as well have done two different drugs. This shit consistently had me tripping over my feet, glued to seats, in various shamanic states of being akin to a high dose of ayahuasca or mushrooms, whereas Nervewing described a hypermanic drug that was conductive to things like dancing. If I had tried to dance to night, or try to later, I will almost certainly break furniture and possibly bones. I feel like a whacky waving inflatable tube arm man. I feel like Gumby.

In past days running experiments at lower dosages, and mixing it in with phenazolam I have found it to be very prone to "being right here right now", but once you cross the triple digit threshold (given my current tolerance towards dissos) this shit sent me to M.C. Escher land very quickly. It carries the comforts of 3-MeO-PCP and 3-HO-PCE, where it made everything feel like a nostalgic reminiscence, but it also rendered me unironically unable to read for about 75-90 minutes after ingesting 100mg, after having been using it 4/5 past days also, so tachyphylaxis must be doing something. At this point there's maybe 100mg left from the gram my fiance and I have been going in on (mostly me), but when mixing this with a psychedelic instead of a benzo like I've been doing, it's tough to not be convinced this is pretty much just 2-FXE/CanKet. I would probably fail a blind test between the two outside of the difference in burn/taste, if you're reading this right now prepare for less pain than insufflated meth but more than amphetamine, if that makes sense. This shit is spicy. It is highly caustic to my sinuses in a way that most arylcyclohexylamines simply are not, I assume it's a result of the salt form (I haven't even checked acidity of this sample yet, I dove in nose first) but I don't know, overall it burns heavily.

I'll come back some days from now in a more clear headspace to add some post-trip notes to this comment, I'm sure.
 
So we are nearing the end of the experience, I took a bump of allylescaline which is technically intersecting with 2 tenstrips of MDMB-4en-PINACA, an unmeasured large box mod hit of HHC, 100mg of THC-O, 300mg bupropion, 200mg caffeine, 25mg promethazine, and I've probably kept myself redosed into the k-hole equivalent for this compound on and off for ~8 hours so far by insufflating ~300mg total tonight, about to finish the lines of MXPCP (3-MeO-2'-oxo-PCP), this compound is prone to recursive states of thought in high doses. It feels fantastic, physically wearing a bathrobe is a hedonistic act and sex is still possible unlike a normal completely nonresponsive k-hole where I'm just slumped over the area of former lines of ketamine.
There is a definite physical euphoria with MXPCP which I do not remember being a thing with MXE. I'm now up to 75mg MXPCP total for the night. Very tempted to dip into the NEP but I took 75mg bupropion earlier and don't want to risk a seizure.
I think that MXPCP would mix beautifully with 2CB and/or 4-HO-MIPT.

It's fascinating to me that you could end up in possession of a Shulgin rarity like HOT-7 without first having bumped into some Banisteriopsis capii, I find that so fascinating. I ran into psilocybin before LSD, and of course ayahuasca vine before any sources of DMT, HOT-7 is the kind of thing that only comes from proximity to a chemist I'd imagine, or was it an RC in the past that's been bouncing between pockets?
I got it from an old vendor who ended up becoming a friend. He had 2 batches of HOT-7 made up. Not sure what happened to the guy. He was the first vendor that I saw bringing fentanyl analogues to the states. I lost contact with him shortly after he stocked acetyl-fentanyl. So I don't know if he OD'ed or what. He was a really chill dude and a great vendor. I hope that he's okay. He was doing wild amounts of benzos and cocaine + dexedrine when I talked with him last. It had to have been around 2014-2015 or so. HOT-7 is a great chemical though. Very gentle psychedelic experience although it's got some MAOI properties to watch out for. Took some 5-MeO-DALT with it one time without considering the MAOI properties and it turned the bland 5-MeO-DALT experience into something intense. I would love to see HOT-2 come around. 2CT2 is a really special chemical and I imagine its HOT sibling would be the same.

3-HO-PCP Is specifically annoying because at even a rather low dose, it disrupts my vestibular occular response and it makes my eyes not line up, causing me to see double
I get the exact same response. It can be extremely frustrating when trying to respond to messages or trying to get into your phone.

(Nervewing is my fucking muse)
I second this statement. I love their blog. Have spent many hours reading their reports
 
There is a definite physical euphoria with MXPCP which I do not remember being a thing with MXE. I'm now up to 75mg MXPCP total for the night. Very tempted to dip into the NEP but I took 75mg bupropion earlier and don't want to risk a seizure.
The euphoria caps out pretty quick, MXPCP was specifically excellent for thinking about the butterfly effect and society in a way that typically only psychedelics can do for me. The physical clumsiness induced from MXPCP though definitely leads to me preferring 3-MeO-PCP, 3-HO-PCE or 3-HO-PCP over it, just so I can walk in a straight line. Despite the neat body feel of MXPCP, it's definitely my least favorite out of the four PCP analogs I've tried so far, I think I'd even pursue 2-FXE/CanKet, 2F-DCK, or ketamine over it. The only arylcyclohexylamine I'd place beneath this one on my list (sorted by preference) is DCK, which felt like every downside of an arylcyclohexylamine with nothing else to offer.

Despite it sounding like I'm talking mad shit on MXPCP, it's still a beautiful chemical, but it could have been easily replaced by other arylcyclohexylamines imo, not some sort of "holy grail" like I think people hyped it up to be given its chemical relationship to the notorious MXE.
I got it from an old vendor who ended up becoming a friend. He had 2 batches of HOT-7 made up. Not sure what happened to the guy. He was the first vendor that I saw bringing fentanyl analogues to the states. I lost contact with him shortly after he stocked acetyl-fentanyl. So I don't know if he OD'ed or what. He was a really chill dude and a great vendor. I hope that he's okay. He was doing wild amounts of benzos and cocaine + dexedrine when I talked with him last. It had to have been around 2014-2015 or so. HOT-7 is a great chemical though. Very gentle psychedelic experience although it's got some MAOI properties to watch out for. Took some 5-MeO-DALT with it one time without considering the MAOI properties and it turned the bland 5-MeO-DALT experience into something intense. I would love to see HOT-2 come around. 2CT2 is a really special chemical and I imagine its HOT sibling would be the same.
How would you characterize the difference between an N-OH version of a 2C-T-X compared to the normal one? Say, 2C-T-7 vs. HOT-7, Shulgin thought they were pretty indistinguishable, but have you noticed any differences?
 
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