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US Politics the 2025 trump presidency thread

someguyontheinternet said:
can you point to where I call voxide, or anyone else here, a money haver?

can you point to where I said "I want you to suffer"?
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I didn't claim you called anybody here that. Clearly my post was a hypothetical scenario

someguyontheinternet said:
the only meaningful distinction is between the working class and the moneyed class which subjugates them

fighting for and lifting up all of those in the working class is fighting for all subjugated peoples
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You act like someone making $10M means that they're somehow screwing over people that didn't make $10M
 
Electrum1 said:
I didn't claim you called anybody here that. Clearly my post was a hypothetical scenario



You act like someone making $10M means that they're somehow screwing over people that didn't make $10M
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so your statement about my statement was hypothetical and not based on what I said?

that sounds like an admission of bad faith to me
 
- Spends all the money they earn instead of saving and investing some of it

- Stays poor

- I've been subjugated! Fuck Trumps tax cuts!
 
someguyontheinternet said:
so your statement about my statement was hypothetical and not based on what I said?

that sounds like an admission of bad faith to me
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What are you talking about. "Muh bad faith" lmao. I literally posted the quote of yours that says "moneyed class" that caused me to post "money haver". It's right there
 
Electrum1 said:
Well it is why I made that post. Seems pretty clear to me
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right thanks for clearing that up

doing that, taking a single word or phrase from a statement and ascribing an entirely new scenario to that word or phrase and then constructing an argument based around that new scenario is attacking a straw man

is that a good way to engage? are you actually trying to share information or learn from others? what are you trying to accomplish by structuring your statements in such a way?
 
I posted a hypothetical scenario that was releated to recent comments in this thread. Do you want to start a new thread about semantics? or just keep trying to derail this one with hyperfixation on a single phrase I used that was clearly derived from a phrase you used?
 
someguyontheinternet said:
right thanks for clearing that up

doing that, taking a single word or phrase from a statement and ascribing an entirely new scenario to that word or phrase and then constructing an argument based around that new scenario is attacking a straw man

is that a good way to engage? are you actually trying to share information or learn from others? what are you trying to accomplish by structuring your statements in such a way?
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Are you trying to engage or bicker?
 
tryptakid said:
Are you trying to engage or bicker?
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attempting to understand the rationale behind what I saw as creating a straw man instead of engaging with a steel man version, I think in discourse its important to be able to recognize rhetorical techniques to avoid bickering and stick to engaging the arguments presented and I think that requires actively communicating about it
 
someguyontheinternet said:
attempting to understand the rationale behind what I saw as creating a straw man instead of engaging with a steel man version, I think in discourse its important to be able to recognize rhetorical techniques to avoid bickering and stick to engaging the arguments presented and I think that requires actively communicating about it
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I know it's not exactly the same, but similar techniques are employed.
 
A bit off-topic but I have always wondered how we ended up still having Guatanamo Bay, considering it is part of Cuba and Cuba is supposedly our enemy. Turns out we got a lease on it in 1903 and we pay $4085 per year. The Cubans no doubt hate having us there but can't do anything about it. An archaic vestige of colonialism, and kind of stupid to have a prison there. Apparently it's very expensive to maintain, even if the rent is cheap. Just put one in Florida or what have you.

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Guantánamo Bay - Wikipedia

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chippermonk said:
A bit off-topic but I have always wondered how we ended up still having Guatanamo Bay, considering it is part of Cuba and Cuba is supposedly our enemy. Turns out we got a lease on it in 1903 and we pay $4085 per year. The Cubans no doubt hate having us there but can't do anything about it. An archaic vestige of colonialism, and kind of stupid to have a prison there. Apparently it's very expensive to maintain, even if the rent is cheap. Just put one in Florida or what have you.

en.wikipedia.org

Guantánamo Bay - Wikipedia

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I don't know for sure but I feel like you can do more horrible things to prisoners in Cuba than you can on U.S. soil and that's saying something
 
deficiT said:
Also @Voxide this is the last attempt at diplomacy from me. Stop dragging threads off topic about bullshit, and stop starting nonsense conflicts here because I'm about out of steam listening to bad faith horseshit and trolling. You're causing problems.
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Show me where I dragged this thread off topic? It’s a trump thread so it’s not out of the realm of reasonable that immigration is gonna come up. Lmao what?

You can’t reference a single instance of me using an ad hominem attack to a member here (has happened at least 20x to me, reported every time per your instructions) yet it’s somehow bad faith and trolling. Alrite bro
 
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alasdairm said:
why stop there?

people with cancer or, say, a birth defect don't get to vote so they can't influence healthcare policy.

people who do not currently have children don't get to vote so they can't influence education policy. why should they get to decide how school dollars are spent?

people who have not served in the military don't get to vote. if they haven't demonstrated a commitment to personally defend the country, why should they get a say in its security decisions?

alasdair
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Cancer and birth defects aren’t choices, poverty is.

The children and education one….actually yeah I do find it reasonable on a local level only for school board/property tax decisions

You used to have to register for selective service if you were male and 18. Not sure if you still do but yeah
 
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