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Media New media and anti-intellectualism

One really serious issue I have found to be alienating myself from other people is the manner in which everything is shitted on, manipulated, twisted around in bad faith as long as needed to produce picture of reality that does not look like reality at all. I should not need to start discussion by proving that sky is blue, but that is about the case nowadays. Actually I can barely do that, nevermind going any further from there on. It is frustrating and makes me just misanthropic.
 
someguyontheinternet said:


shifts in media have allowed anti-intellectualism to flourish. this has severely negative impacts on political discourse and overall outcomes and ends up further serving the interests of those in power
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I don't consider myself an intelectual but getting reliable information from the media has become very difficult. Everyone stating their opinion and making it sound as if they knew what they are talking about even if they don't blur the lines

I'm not misanthropic rather the opposite but I understand why someone can get frustrated and confused enough by the mass of misinformation out there to not want to take part in conversations about almost any topic not just politics
 
I think what is almost unique to the US is the belief that 'my ignorance is as valid as your knowledge'.

But be aware, a lot of podcasters get paid to adopt certain positions on issues. Eventually, if you watch carefully enough, you can work out who is doing the paying.

I only watch one and that was just an audio podcast for years. In fact, I'm still not sure if I prefer the audio version since it allows me to imagine what the presenters look like. Pretty much as I had thought... so I'm not sure being on Youtube adds value to their work.
 
4DQSAR said:
I think what is almost unique to the US is the belief that 'my ignorance is as valid as your knowledge'.

But be aware, a lot of podcasters get paid to adopt certain positions on issues. Eventually, if you watch carefully enough, you can work out who is doing the paying.

I only watch one and that was just an audio podcast for years. In fact, I'm still not sure if I prefer the audio version since it allows me to imagine what the presenters look like. Pretty much as I had thought... so I'm not sure being on Youtube adds value to their work.
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"My ignorance is as valid as your knowledge" is not unique to the U.S. I have witnessed that behaviour when dealing with people from different countries and even continents

As to the preference of podcasts over videos I think that's a personal thing. You like to imagine what the presenter looks like. I also prefer to just listen. But others want or even need to see a person to better focus or understand what is being said

I don't think one format has more validity over the other when it comes to the reliability of the information. Unless one knows where the information is coming from its always good advice to double check. Sadly most people don't
 
Well, the one podcast I listen to has quietly being going on for oh... almost a decade. They don't take ads, they just ask for $5/month ($3/month students) and it's just recorded in their respective offices. But at the end of the day, it's the information that is of interest.

I beg to differ - I think podcasters in other nations will purposefully manipulate facts for money and acting ignorant can all be part of that. If you want a successful podcast, watch other successful podcasts and see what tools they use.

But it is purely based on personal experience. I've lived in three contients and visited a couple of dozen nations but that total belief that not knowing something is itself as valid as someone who actually knows (be it right or wrong) is something I've only experienced in the US.

The US is also the only nation I've visited (many, many times) where people will 'pre-apologise' for the behaviors of some other US citizens. Everywhere has thugs and idiots but it shows insight on the part of people to repeately make the issue clear.
 
Lmao at thinking Tim Pool is far right. He was a huge Bernie supporter. Really says a lot about where you stand and your understanding of the political climate if you think Tim Pool is far right
 
Electrum1 said:
Lmao at thinking Tim Pool is far right. He was a huge Bernie supporter. Really says a lot about where you stand and your understanding of the political climate if you think Tim Pool is far right
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I guess you fell for it

Scholars (e.g., Hawley 2018a; Lewis 2018; Nagle 2017) studying alt-right movements online have observed that they have gained influence by associating themselves with political influencers who perform varying styles of nontraditional politics. Lewis (2018), for instance, showed how popular alt-right gateway figures (i.e., the “alt-lite”) (Hawley 2018a; Ma 2021; Ribeiro et al. 2020) like Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, and Tim Pool used narratives of being disaffected liberals—and highlight liberal progressive bona fides such as having voted for Bernie Sanders, supporting same-sex marriage, or supporting the Occupy Wall Street movement—to demonstrate objectivity and authenticity. At the same time, these figures have provided friendly platforms for white nationalists and conspiracy theorists, including Alex Jones, Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, Carl Benjamin, and Gavin McInnes.

 
someguyontheinternet said:
I guess you fell for it

Scholars (e.g., Hawley 2018a; Lewis 2018; Nagle 2017) studying alt-right movements online have observed that they have gained influence by associating themselves with political influencers who perform varying styles of nontraditional politics. Lewis (2018), for instance, showed how popular alt-right gateway figures (i.e., the “alt-lite”) (Hawley 2018a; Ma 2021; Ribeiro et al. 2020) like Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin, and Tim Pool used narratives of being disaffected liberals—and highlight liberal progressive bona fides such as having voted for Bernie Sanders, supporting same-sex marriage, or supporting the Occupy Wall Street movement—to demonstrate objectivity and authenticity. At the same time, these figures have provided friendly platforms for white nationalists and conspiracy theorists, including Alex Jones, Stefan Molyneux, Lauren Southern, Carl Benjamin, and Gavin McInnes.

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Lmao. I can't believe you actually put 100% faith in papers like that and those authors. I genuinely hope you keep thinking Tim Pool is actually far right.
 
I have also noticed far rights like to frame everything in way which turns people to doubt their every thought and statement in their effectiveness in fight against fascism.

Just like implying that racism is so rampant because leftists have been too antiracist, when they should have formed controlled, moderately racist practices to prevent disastrous racism.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
I have also noticed far rights like to frame everything in way which turns people to doubt their every thought and statement in their effectiveness in fight against fascism.

Just like implying that racism is so rampant because leftists have been too antiracist, when they should have formed controlled, moderately racist practices to prevent disastrous racism.
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there have been a lot of people explaining their view, which is essentially a textbook definition of racism, followed up by "I'm not racist" or "but it's based on historical accomplishment of races" or some nonsense

its the same old racism they just try to call it something else because they known their views are shitty and unwanted by society at large
 
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