Global Events The Middle East - Palestine, Israel, and Iran
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the only reason that Iran has those people in charge is because they were viewed as incorruptible by the US/UK/EU
the root issue is the foreign policy of US/UK/EU
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I didn't say anything about secularism, I said they wouldn't be manipulated by foreign states
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Extremists who wrestled away power from a weak Shah who'd been inserted by the western allies and their corporate interests after the CIA helped to overthrow the popularly elected PM Mohammad Mosaddegh, whose policies included nationalization of Iranian oil was not seen as favorable by western oil companies and the US. Further, he was seen as friendly to communist Russia and that was obviously a no go for the US's interests (as evidenced by our incessant proxy wars throughout most of the world during this time).
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who are you to decide what is best for the whole planet
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Iran wasn't the center for extremism when the US decided to overthrow PM Mohammad Mosaddegh - they were liberal and cosmopolitan. It was his desire to nationalize oil fields for the benefit of Iranian interests that lead to western interest in overthrowing the government and installing an unpopular, western friendly Shah. The Shah's government fomented dissent which fueled religious extremism and subsequently created the substrate which produced the 1979 revolution leading to the regime you now know and dislike.
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Yeah but what about my kebabs and halal products if Iran is disposed? Where will I go? What will we all do??
The real tragedy in all of this is that the global economy is pegged to oil, and a third of that oil passes through the Persian Gulf. It's alright for Israel and Iran to dick about with each other, but I hope Israel understands that if they cause Iran to fuck up the global economy by deliberately setting fire and mining that Persian Gulf then they're going to find themselves without public support.
The cynic in me thinks this is all geopolitical games anyway. The Anglo-American establishment basically created the modern Middle East. The Royals and MI6 chief still go out there (Oman I think) yearly to have a little chit-chat, about weapons and oil. We're approaching 2030, so anything could happen - cliché at this point, but we're currently overdue another 'once in a lifetime' event since Covid.
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Shambles
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Iran is essentially a rogue state imo. Fuelled by decades of fukkery by mainly the US… but we are where we are.
Israel’s unprovoked attacks are a breach of international law… just like their genocide in Gaza.
As such, Israel is now also a rogue state.
There are no winners in this fight. Only losers.
Israel’s unprovoked attacks are a breach of international law… just like their genocide in Gaza.
As such, Israel is now also a rogue state.
There are no winners in this fight. Only losers.
Iran I don't think is necessarily rogue, they're trying to be independent of foreign influence. Israel on the other hand, is directly controlled by the US and is constantly attacking anything that moves in the region, and even stuff that doesn't
Which group of fucking arseholes has continually backed Islamist extremists? The US and their good friend Israel. Now why did they do this in 79 you may ask? Wel basically keep the Commies out at all costs. The US or Israel could really give 2 fucks about Islamists
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Shambles
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I take your point. “Rogue” was the wrong word. They are an authoritarian theocracy though which is definitely not the way forward…. But, again, Israel are right up there with them on those fronts
Your lot put these cunts in power. Dont go whinging when they turn around and bite you
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no you're just assuming that you, or our governments for some reason, know what's best for everyone on the planet
you don't see how conceited that is?
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Shambles
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Israel are trying what? To outdo Nazi Germany? Win… I guess??? 
(apologies for invoking Godwin’s Law… but it kinda fits like a glove so…)
(apologies for invoking Godwin’s Law… but it kinda fits like a glove so…)
what, precisely, is Israel trying?
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am I being obtuse? if I listen to Israel's leaders they say they're doing ethnic cleansing and genocide
is that what you think the world needs?
Nazism is not about hating Jewish people, its about ethnic cleansing and creating an ethnostate
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I asked you what you though Israel was doing when you said they were trying something in your previous post
instead of answering you just called me obtuse
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Israel targets Iran's Defense Ministry headquarters as Tehran unleashes deadly missile strike
Israel launched an expanded assault on Iran on Sunday while Tehran unleashed a fresh barrage of missiles.
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Israel launched an expanded assault on Iran on Sunday, targeting its energy industry and Defense Ministry headquarters, while Tehran unleashed a fresh barrage of deadly strikes.
The simultaneous attacks represented the latest burst of violence since a surprise offensive by Israel two days earlier aimed at decimating Tehran’s rapidly advancing nuclear program.
New explosions boomed across Tehran as Iranian missiles entered Israel’s skies in attacks that Israeli emergency officials said caused deaths around the country, including four in an apartment building in the Galilee region. A strike in central Israel killed an 80-year-old woman, a 69-year-old woman and a 10-year-old boy, officials said.
Casualty figures weren’t immediately available in Iran, where Israel targeted its Defense Ministry headquarters in Tehran as well as sites that it alleged were associated with the country’s nuclear program. Iran’s paramilitary Revolutionary Guard claimed that Iranian missiles targeted fuel production facilities for Israeli fighter jets, something not acknowledged by Israel.
Amid the continued conflict, planned negotiations between Iran and the United States over Tehran’s nuclear program were cancelled, throwing into question when and how an end to the fighting could come.
“Tehran is burning,” Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said on social media.
Both Israel’s military and Iran state television announced the latest round of Iranian missiles as explosions were heard near midnight, while the Israeli security cabinet met.
Israel’s ongoing strikes across Iran have left the country’s surviving leadership with the difficult decision of whether to plunge deeper into conflict with Israel’s more powerful forces or seek a diplomatic route.
Urgent calls to deescalate
World leaders made urgent calls to deescalate and avoid all-out war. The attack on nuclear sites set a “dangerous precedent,” China’s foreign minister said. The region is already on edge as Israel makes a new push to eliminate the Iranian-backed militant group Hamas in Gaza after 20 months of fighting.
Israel — widely believed to be the only nuclear-armed state in the Middle East — said its hundreds of strikes on Iran over the past two days have killed a number of top generals, nine senior scientists and experts involved in Iran’s nuclear program. Iran’s U.N. ambassador has said 78 people were killed and more than 320 wounded.
U.S. intelligence agencies and the International Atomic Energy Agency have repeatedly said Iran was not pursuing a nuclear weapon before Israel unleashed its campaign of airstrikes targeting Iran beginning Friday. But Iran’s uranium enrichment has reached near weapons-grade levels, and on Thursday the U.N.’s atomic watchdog censured Iran for not complying with obligations meant to prevent it from developing a nuclear weapon.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has made the destruction of Iran’s nuclear program his top priority, said Israel’s strikes so far are “nothing compared to what they will feel under the sway of our forces in the coming days.”
In what could be another escalation if confirmed, semiofficial Iranian news agencies reported an Israeli drone struck and caused a “strong explosion” at an Iranian natural-gas processing plant. It would be the first Israeli attack on Iran’s oil and natural gas industry. Israel’s military did not immediately comment.
The extent of damage at the South Pars natural gas field was not immediately clear. Such sites have air defense systems around them, which Israel has been targeting.
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Try to keep to the topic and not bicker please
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Things are getting pretty crazy
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“We’re looking at better than a ceasefire. We’re not looking for a ceasefire,” Trump said, adding that Macron is a “nice guy but he doesn’t get it right too often.”
^^^ lol @ that
"He also dismissed congressional testimony from National Intelligence Director Tulsi Gabbard, who told lawmakers in March that U.S. spy agencies did not believe Iran was building a nuclear weapon.
“I don’t care what she said,” Trump said. “I think they were very close to having it.”"
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Everything that's happening is so clearly out of the imperialist war playbook. Israel is really trying to rope the USA into a full war, and it's freaky to think of the possible outcomes here.
"They have nuclear weapons!!"
Where have we heard that before? It wasn't true then, and I don't think it's true now.
Trump is at a moment of choosing as Israel looks for more US help crushing Iran's nuclear program
President Donald Trump, in about eight hours, went from suggesting a nuclear deal remained “achievable” to urging Tehran’s 9.5 million residents to flee for their lives.
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“We’re looking at better than a ceasefire. We’re not looking for a ceasefire,” Trump said, adding that Macron is a “nice guy but he doesn’t get it right too often.”
^^^ lol @ that
"He also dismissed congressional testimony from National Intelligence Director Tulsi Gabbard, who told lawmakers in March that U.S. spy agencies did not believe Iran was building a nuclear weapon.
“I don’t care what she said,” Trump said. “I think they were very close to having it.”"
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Everything that's happening is so clearly out of the imperialist war playbook. Israel is really trying to rope the USA into a full war, and it's freaky to think of the possible outcomes here.
"They have nuclear weapons!!"
Where have we heard that before? It wasn't true then, and I don't think it's true now.