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Oxy RP 15 mg oxycodone by Rhodes mfg

No No No... The law allows them to put 3mg less that of a 15mg pill.

The law allows generics to be up to 20% less in active ingredient. Not all company's generics are like this.

The Rhodes Oxycodone generic medications are obviously weaker thus they are taking full advantage of the law allowing them to be 20% less of active ingredient.

Rhodes also has a horrible pill construction that creates a poor delivery of active ingredient. The "oversized" pill has more fillers and non-active ingredients. IMO, this contributes to the medicine feeling weaker when compared to a simple efficient construction that delivers the active ingredient quickly and easier for the liver to breakdown.

Mallinckrodt's 30mg is 2/3rd's smaller than a Tic-Tac and Rhode's 30mg is the size of a Ibuprofen 800mg. To me this is like diluting something
Diluting the medicine. Rhodes 15mg oxycodone is like taken nothing at all!! How on earth does the FDA allow this? They certainly test this medication on humans. All generics were supposed to be the same. But your saying some can be 20% less active ingredient? That's horrible
That's a rip off of such a magnitude it's hard to fathom. Is it like this in other countries? Britain? Germany? France?
 
Diluting the medicine. Rhodes 15mg oxycodone is like taken nothing at all!! How on earth does the FDA allow this? They certainly test this medication on humans. All generics were supposed to be the same. But your saying some can be 20% less active ingredient? That's horrible
That's a rip off of such a magnitude it's hard to fathom. Is it like this in other countries? Britain? Germany? France?
It took awhile to find the statement by googling, that generics are allowed to be up to 20% less in active ingredient.

I only know about the US, not sure how other countries deal with the topic.
 
It took awhile to find the statement by googling, that generics are allowed to be up to 20% less in active ingredient.

I only know about the US, not sure how other countries deal with the topic.
Can you reprint that statement here for others to view please. Ty. JS
 

" In order to get a stamp of approval from the FDA, a generic medication must be "bioequivalent" to its brand-name counterpart. This means that chemically the two must be pretty much the same, although makers are allowed 20% variation in the active ingredient from that original formula. "While the FDA does allow for up to 20% wiggle room, in reality the observed variation is much smaller, 4%," says Dr. Choudhry. "
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Here is another link that argues the first link some that the active ingredient has to be equal. Then states some "brand name" medicines absorb around 3.5% better than the generics. So the topic is misleading on all sides IMO.

" For example, a very large research study1 comparing generics with brand-name medicines, found that there were very small differences (approximately 3.5%) in absorption into the body between generic and brand-name medicines. Some generics were absorbed slightly more, some slightly less. This amount of difference is expected and clinically acceptable, whether for one batch of brand-name medicine tested against another batch of the same brand, or for a generic tested against a brand-name medicine."


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This link ends up stating that the average difference between brand name and generic medicines are 10%. This is not all medicines and there is not a list of reports listing them. :


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This is my take -- 10% of less active ingredient could be difficult to spot a difference. 20% of less active ingredient for a daily dosage is going to be noticeable from patients that have been dependent over a long period of time, as well as patients taking it for a short time. Companies like "Rhodes" make a generic "Oxycodone HCl" product that is clearly different from the other companies "Mallinckrodt" and "Actavis" generic "Oxycodone HCl" product. It is drastically different and so much so that there is no other reasoning other than less in active ingredient and sub-par absorption of active ingredient in comparison. If anyone can testify regarding this certainty, it is myself.

I have been on both, the generic Mallinckrodt (box M -30) & generic Actavis (K-9) Oxycodone HCl brands for over 15 years. Throughout this time, on & off there was 4qty 30-day month breaks where I was put on Mallinckrodt's "brand name" Roxicodone 30mg tablets. Because my work had amazing health insurance, I was able to afford the brand name Roxicodone for 30-days following each major surgery. Already having an advanced dependence and being advanced opioid tolerant, I was able to tell a minor differences between the brand name and the generic option from the same company. It just works like this when dealing with sensitive patients.

In the beginning of 2025 (I can only speak for my areas) mid-way on the US East Coast, basically all companies were listing a "back-order status" for brand name and generic "Roxicodone & Oxycodone HCl." Virginia and surrounding states, even the large major "hospital pharmacies", "commercial chain pharmacies", and the best versatile "independent pharmacies" were all out and could not pin-point a ETA. The back-order forced me to locate my generic Oxycodone HCl 30-day Rx one state over at a Walgreens. Walgreens stocks "Rhodes's" generic Oxycodone HCl 30mg tablets and for reasons unknown are the size of an Ibuprofen 800mg tablet when compared to a very tiny Mallinckrodt's 30mg or Actavis 30mg. There was a night & day difference of total active ingredient and how the active ingredient was absorbed.

Even if I over-compensated by taking a higher dosage, the Rhodes product still didn't compare. Better "mental/physical" feelings were limited in comparison & the dynamics or intensity of the "transition effects" were drastically less which added the element of frustration. Adding frustration on top of chronic pain syndrome amplified and injected dispar into my outlook for at least 30-days, as I knew Rhodes's generic drug wasn't hitting on shit.

Years ago, I asked my pain management doctor what is the difference between brand name and generic pain killers. He said ,"Typically the brand name is around 10-15% stronger in active ingredient." "It makes a difference when the patient has a low tolerance and/or has a small daily dosage total." "The only other justified reason to take the brand name instead of the generic pain medication is treating post-op acute pain. Normally, they are slightly stronger and some have a minor improvement in active ingredient absorption." Ending with ,"if you do not have great insurance, the costs do not justify the minor differences."
 

" In order to get a stamp of approval from the FDA, a generic medication must be "bioequivalent" to its brand-name counterpart. This means that chemically the two must be pretty much the same, although makers are allowed 20% variation in the active ingredient from that original formula. "While the FDA does allow for up to 20% wiggle room, in reality the observed variation is much smaller, 4%," says Dr. Choudhry. "
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Here is another link that argues the first link some that the active ingredient has to be equal. Then states some "brand name" medicines absorb around 3.5% better than the generics. So the topic is misleading on all sides IMO.

" For example, a very large research study1 comparing generics with brand-name medicines, found that there were very small differences (approximately 3.5%) in absorption into the body between generic and brand-name medicines. Some generics were absorbed slightly more, some slightly less. This amount of difference is expected and clinically acceptable, whether for one batch of brand-name medicine tested against another batch of the same brand, or for a generic tested against a brand-name medicine."


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This link ends up stating that the average difference between brand name and generic medicines are 10%. This is not all medicines and there is not a list of reports listing them. :


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This is my take -- 10% of less active ingredient could be difficult to spot a difference. 20% of less active ingredient for a daily dosage is going to be noticeable from patients that have been dependent over a long period of time, as well as patients taking it for a short time. Companies like "Rhodes" make a generic "Oxycodone HCl" product that is clearly different from the other companies "Mallinckrodt" and "Actavis" generic "Oxycodone HCl" product. It is drastically different and so much so that there is no other reasoning other than less in active ingredient and sub-par absorption of active ingredient in comparison. If anyone can testify regarding this certainty, it is myself.

I have been on both, the generic Mallinckrodt (box M -30) & generic Actavis (K-9) Oxycodone HCl brands for over 15 years. Throughout this time, on & off there was 4qty 30-day month breaks where I was put on Mallinckrodt's "brand name" Roxicodone 30mg tablets. Because my work had amazing health insurance, I was able to afford the brand name Roxicodone for 30-days following each major surgery. Already having an advanced dependence and being advanced opioid tolerant, I was able to tell a minor differences between the brand name and the generic option from the same company. It just works like this when dealing with sensitive patients.

In the beginning of 2025 (I can only speak for my areas) mid-way on the US East Coast, basically all companies were listing a "back-order status" for brand name and generic "Roxicodone & Oxycodone HCl." Virginia and surrounding states, even the large major "hospital pharmacies", "commercial chain pharmacies", and the best versatile "independent pharmacies" were all out and could not pin-point a ETA. The back-order forced me to locate my generic Oxycodone HCl 30-day Rx one state over at a Walgreens. Walgreens stocks "Rhodes's" generic Oxycodone HCl 30mg tablets and for reasons unknown are the size of an Ibuprofen 800mg tablet when compared to a very tiny Mallinckrodt's 30mg or Actavis 30mg. There was a night & day difference of total active ingredient and how the active ingredient was absorbed.

Even if I over-compensated by taking a higher dosage, the Rhodes product still didn't compare. Better "mental/physical" feelings were limited in comparison & the dynamics or intensity of the "transition effects" were drastically less which added the element of frustration. Adding frustration on top of chronic pain syndrome amplified and injected dispar into my outlook for at least 30-days, as I knew Rhodes's generic drug wasn't hitting on shit.

Years ago, I asked my pain management doctor what is the difference between brand name and generic pain killers. He said ,"Typically the brand name is around 10-15% stronger in active ingredient." "It makes a difference when the patient has a low tolerance and/or has a small daily dosage total." "The only other justified reason to take the brand name instead of the generic pain medication is treating post-op acute pain. Normally, they are slightly stronger and some have a minor improvement in active ingredient absorption." Ending with ,"if you do not have great insurance, the costs do not justify the minor differences."
Thank you for the extensive research. I knew right off the bat that the 15mg Rhodes i got at publix were dogshit. The size was huge compared to my mallinkrodt 15s, was the first thing I noticed. I put a pill in my mouth and sucked on it like piece of candy, to see if that bitter taste in oxycodone was apparent. It was not . I tasted nothing. Same as you, I took another 15 mg pill to see if it made a difference. Nope. Didn't hit me like one mallinkrodt would have. I felt the same despair, since a would have to wait 30 days before I could change pharmacies. But, that's a big problem in South FL. is trying to find a pharmacy. I went to 11 pharmacies in my town , only to ne told "not accepting new pain patients ", or we are out of oxycodone ", or we don't accept your doctor". The list goes on. I found a large amount of South FL pharmacies like cash, and charge upwards of $500 for 120 15 mg oxycodone pills. I went to CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, and Publix. None would give me a script..Cvs was innovative at least, by saying i could leave my script with them(we just switched over to electronic orders from my doc), they needed to call my doctor to discuss my treatment program first. I kid you not! If then, they decided I was indeed "a pain patient", then, if they had enough pills, MAYBE they could fill it. They went on to add to their cover story that the "DEA" ONLY ALLOCATED CVS SO MANY PILLS PER MONTH, and when they were gone, we'll, your shit out of luck! Walgreens was more abrasive: YOUR DOCTOR IS BANNED/BLOCKED FROM FILLING ANY PRESCRIPTIONS the twenty someone girl shouted at me across from the sign that said DROP OFF HERE. Publix was sinister in the fact that they swooped me off my feet like a date on prom night at first, and filed my script in less than an hour my first time there. Only problem: RHODES 15MG OXYCODONE. I had never experienced Rhodes pills before, was mallinkrodt always. I asked the long haired hippie looking pharmacist if these Rhodes 15mg pills were the same as mallinkrodt, because that's the only other brand I've used, and he smiled, looked over his 70's style aviator glasses, and like a doctor assured me they were. Wow! I was in love! But you know how the story ended. Bad pills, with no effect on my severe back issues. Because I could NOT find another pharmacy to fill my script, I was screwed. I filled my script 3 more times at publix, before the pharmacist suddenly blurted out, "this is your last refill pal". I asked why? " There's a communication problem with your doctor he says". Come again? The pharmacist has no other explanation. Communication problem. Whatever. I hate them Rhodes pills anyway. Walmart was blunt: Your doctor is blocked. Why, as pain patients are we treated like lepers? Because of the oxycodone of course! Thanx again for all the information about how our pain pills can be reduced to hardly anything.
 
Thanx again for all the information about how our pain pills can be reduced to hardly anything.
Yes indeed... You are always welcome sir. I hope you are able to maintain the brand Oxycodone HCl that you prefer to take. Rhodes is an absolute joke as far as I am concerned. And the public is IMO mislead to the qualifications a generic drug has to live up to. A company like Rhodes takes full advantage of the loopholes in the drug industry and is somehow in tight with Walgreens. My small local independent pharmacy will not buy that Rhodes crap. It only took 2 weeks of customer complaining for them to never purchase anything but Mallinckrodt and Actavis generic Oxycodone HCl. The same goes for all the other scheduled drugs they carry, they order what their customers/patients only want regardless of the ordering costs. We are loyal for life and they can order accurately with us.
 
Yes indeed... You are always welcome sir. I hope you are able to maintain the brand Oxycodone HCl that you prefer to take. Rhodes is an absolute joke as far as I am concerned. And the public is IMO mislead to the qualifications a generic drug has to live up to. A company like Rhodes takes full advantage of the loopholes in the drug industry and is somehow in tight with Walgreens. My small local independent pharmacy will not buy that Rhodes crap. It only took 2 weeks of customer complaining for them to never purchase anything but Mallinckrodt and Actavis generic Oxycodone HCl. The same goes for all the other scheduled drugs they carry, they order what their customers/patients only want regardless of the ordering costs. We are loyal for life and they can order accurately with us.
That's the way a pharmacy should operate. Walgreens doesn't give a shit what you or me want. Publix told me outright NO when I asked them to order mallinkrodt brand for me, and I would pay extra if required. But big publix here in Florida squashed that idea. They order whatever they want, for probably as cheap as they can get it. I'm glad your independent pharmacy adheres to patients desires. JS
 
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