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Yes. They do not have an endocannabinoid system so they get no psychoactive effects. Lol why would you take that much phytochemicals.
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THC Honey, not infused! The bees made it this way!
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Not sure, ask whoever wrote the article. My guess would be excretion.
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I feel as if you misinterpreted what I was saying. It appears to me that small amounts are no more unsafe or neurotoxic than alcohol but I could be wrong, that was not the point I was making.I'm pretty sure there's no biochemical pathway for decarboxylation of THCA by bees puking it up.
Secondly, rhododendron honey is poisonous. If you eat enough of it, the toxin that still remains (because the bees can't do anything to change It) will kill you. I say that because it seems you're operating under the FALSE assumption that somehow the bees make rhododendron honey that's safe to eat and that is completely not true.
Azaleas and Rhododendrons
Serious poisoning is unlikely when small pieces of azalea or rhododendron are swallowed. But swallowing large amounts of any part of the plawww.poison.org
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I never said there wouldn’t be, all I said was they have no endocannabinoid system and hence would not get high. It likely does have a plethora of non-psychoactive effects on the bees.
There isn't any Delta 9 in raw weed.
But rhododendron honey is toxic just like rhododendron flowers and rhododendron pollen. The bees don't magically make it less toxic.
Just like bees don't magically convert THCa to THC.
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Dude I really think your misinterpretation what Im saying again. At this point your being condescending. I made it clear the thca conversion thing was a total shot in the dark answer to a question you asked me, which I also provided a more likely explanation, I heard you the first few times where you say ‘Im wrong’. And for the last time I never said it makes it non-toxic, your literally arguing against points I didnt make, give it a rest.
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Yes there is, look it up. Pretty minute but it is there. Fact check before you attempt to correct someone.
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Would you be willing to post a link to the article so that it can be independently evaluated? Right now I don't see a reference or link only your quote.
Why don't you find me a citation that actually says it does since every citation that I can find says there is no Delta 9 in raw fresh bud or flower.Yes there is, look it up. Pretty minute but it is there. Fact check before you attempt to correct someone.
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Yes. Do you want the one that proves they dont have an endocannbinoid system, one that proves weed has d9 or both
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Look at the test results on this preroll and tell me what it says. https://curaleaf.com/shop/maryland/...rederick-au/products/64cd12bbefc6c60001978a6a
0.34% thc and 35.6% thca. Most of the weed I buy from the dispo is 1-3% d9 and it clearly says so on the package. As I said, small amounts, but it is there. If you dont trust the website of a licensed medical dispensary I can dig through pubmed.
It is customary that sources are provided for claims being made especially when we quote the source, so all of the above would be nice
Flower purchased from dispensaries has been cured, it is no longer raw or live flower
It's not raw flower, that is weed that has been processed and dried.
I'm surprised that you're actually trying to say it's raw flower.
And yes you do get some decarboxylation from the drying process but there isn't any in the raw flower.
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Ah I did not see where he said “raw”. I see where the misunderstanding is. I wouldn’t know for sure about raw weed but to me it is feasible that during the growing process a small portion of the thca is converted to delta 9. No matter how inconsequential the amount, I do believe it would contain trace amounts. Ill do some research to see. https://cannabistech.com/articles/w...es do not have an,the honey that they produce. this is the link about bees not having endocannabinoid systems
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I did not see or more likely overlooked where you said raw, I was under the assumption that you meant there is no d9 in your everyday weed. my bad for the misunderstanding, that was why I sent the dispo results. I do believe its possible that the heat required for the growing process would slowly cook some of the thca into trace amounts of delta 9 but most likely not enough to be significant, Ive been in my fair share of grow rooms and it can get pretty damn hot. Again the whole thing with the trace d9 amounts and the bees was just a thought in answer to a question of yours, in which I came up with two alternative answers, one of which being the most likely (that the bee keeper/grower decarbs it after the fact). Whenever I am asked a question in which I am unsure of the answer I like to give a plethora of different ones in order to have an educated discussion on which would be most suitable. Not sure though, Ill have to do some research to see if my theory on the raw weed is even a possibility. Im not trying to disagree or argue with you here, that was never my intention. Most of what I’m saying is just alternative ideas that I put out for discussion. Ill get back to you if I find anything, they really need to make a better way to search for relevant research papers as I can never find any articles relevant to what I am searching.
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I was a beekeeper for a long time. On other online forums I've met the guy that claimed he had trained his bees to make THC honey. I'm glad he's still around. At first I was annoyed, because I had figured out my own trick to attract bees to female ganja plants. I figured out his way is even simpler and easier. For a while I was pissed that he was tricking people and running a bit of a scam. After bullshitting with him some, as a fellow ganja grower, I started to like him and thought his idea was funny. I promised not to call him out, make fun of him, and debunk him anymore.
I could have easily attracted bees to my female plants and filmed it. Now I've moved, I don't grow ganja or keep bees and I'm not telling how. Figure it out yourself. It doesn't take a lot of research to find out bees rarely visit female plants. If they do they're usually devoured by spiders and wasps.
Bees are attracted to the pollen on male plants. You sometimes see them harvesting it. This is the only cannabis product that bees collect and there is not enough Cannabinoids in male pollen to get a human intoxicated. If you could collect enough of the pollen the bees had collected. It would be simpler to collect the pollen yourself, mix it with honey, and eat it.
The reason why a small amount doesn't kill you is because each bee extracts such a tiny amount of pollen from each flower. I don't know anything about the toxin but I know a lot about bees and how they harvest and process their food. The bees ferment and process the honey in their guts, then dry it to remove most of the moisture so it won't rot. This could remove some % of the toxins. Bees harvest honey from several sources that are blooming at the same time but tend to keep to the closest most abundant sources. They like to fill the frames with like honey so it's easier for them to process.
I wrote a bit about beekeepers but I've learned they harvest the stuff from the wild giant Himalayan Honey Bee. Hanging by ropes down cliffs. One batch of honey could contain honey from several different sources lowering the overall % of poison but humans would have no control over it. The humans in Nepal have been using mad honey for hundreds and thousands of years. They seem to have gotten very good at making a consistent non-deadly product that packs a buzz but isn't particularly deadly but could make you very sick.
The website recommends starting with half a teaspoon or less, then working your way up to a teaspoon. Increasing incrementally until you reach the dose you desire. They say not to exceed 1 or 2 tablespoons a day. Nausea seems to be one of the strongest side effects so perhaps you'd puke it out before it killed you if you overdosed. Not interested in testing this idea. As you consume a larger dose the negative sickening deliriant effects stack and the positive 'medicinal' effects decrease very quickly.
I couldn't find any reported deaths in modern medicine although lots of ER visits for overdoses. If the stuff was very dangerous and super intoxicating I'm certain you'd see idiots killing themselves, like with most drugs and many bans. If it was a lot of fun it would certainly be banned as well.
The effects have been well documented and there are traditional medicinal uses going back thousands of years. The only place in the world it's banned is South Korea. The vendors even send it there as 'medicinal raw honey'. It's legal and unregulated everywhere else. I'd post a link to the most informative vendor page that explains it really well. Except I don't know if that's against the rules for sharing naughty links to vendors. It's easy to find, search for mad honey and numerous sites will pop up. From the sketchy to the legit. Here's a link to more info at the wikipedia page.
en.wikipedia.org
I could have easily attracted bees to my female plants and filmed it. Now I've moved, I don't grow ganja or keep bees and I'm not telling how. Figure it out yourself. It doesn't take a lot of research to find out bees rarely visit female plants. If they do they're usually devoured by spiders and wasps.
Bees are attracted to the pollen on male plants. You sometimes see them harvesting it. This is the only cannabis product that bees collect and there is not enough Cannabinoids in male pollen to get a human intoxicated. If you could collect enough of the pollen the bees had collected. It would be simpler to collect the pollen yourself, mix it with honey, and eat it.
Yes you need to limit the amount you consume if you don't want to get sick or worse. You can order the stuff from Nepal, Europe, or the USA easily enough. It's a popular product. There are lots of websites that offer it alongside Facebook and Ebay. Amazon used to sell it but can't sell it labeled as containing grayanotoxins, but can sell it as 'medicinal' for reasons I don't understand. The more official looking website I found is very clear about how much is safe to consume, how much will kill you, and how there's a risk from allergy no matter how much you eat.
The reason why a small amount doesn't kill you is because each bee extracts such a tiny amount of pollen from each flower. I don't know anything about the toxin but I know a lot about bees and how they harvest and process their food. The bees ferment and process the honey in their guts, then dry it to remove most of the moisture so it won't rot. This could remove some % of the toxins. Bees harvest honey from several sources that are blooming at the same time but tend to keep to the closest most abundant sources. They like to fill the frames with like honey so it's easier for them to process.
I wrote a bit about beekeepers but I've learned they harvest the stuff from the wild giant Himalayan Honey Bee. Hanging by ropes down cliffs. One batch of honey could contain honey from several different sources lowering the overall % of poison but humans would have no control over it. The humans in Nepal have been using mad honey for hundreds and thousands of years. They seem to have gotten very good at making a consistent non-deadly product that packs a buzz but isn't particularly deadly but could make you very sick.
The website recommends starting with half a teaspoon or less, then working your way up to a teaspoon. Increasing incrementally until you reach the dose you desire. They say not to exceed 1 or 2 tablespoons a day. Nausea seems to be one of the strongest side effects so perhaps you'd puke it out before it killed you if you overdosed. Not interested in testing this idea. As you consume a larger dose the negative sickening deliriant effects stack and the positive 'medicinal' effects decrease very quickly.
I couldn't find any reported deaths in modern medicine although lots of ER visits for overdoses. If the stuff was very dangerous and super intoxicating I'm certain you'd see idiots killing themselves, like with most drugs and many bans. If it was a lot of fun it would certainly be banned as well.
The effects have been well documented and there are traditional medicinal uses going back thousands of years. The only place in the world it's banned is South Korea. The vendors even send it there as 'medicinal raw honey'. It's legal and unregulated everywhere else. I'd post a link to the most informative vendor page that explains it really well. Except I don't know if that's against the rules for sharing naughty links to vendors. It's easy to find, search for mad honey and numerous sites will pop up. From the sketchy to the legit. Here's a link to more info at the wikipedia page.
Mad honey - Wikipedia
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A couple more notes I should add.
I love Indian food I went to India when I was young. In India the food is insanely hot. British curry house or most American curry places aren't that authentic. I notice in my area there's more high quality Indian joints opening up with food like they actually serve in India. One interesting type is Chinese-Indian food. Just like in the West, Chinese immigrated to India and opened restaurants for the Indian palate. Now there's a few in my area. Their lo mein type noodle dishes are so good.
There's also some good Pakistani restaurants here that are delicious. Including a halal Prime beef high quality Pakistani steak house. Serves huge rib eye steaks plus quite a few lamb and other Pakistani dishes. It's good but really weird. For an appetizer they gave us white corn tortilla chips with a pink spicy secret sauce type dressing poured on them that was surprisingly good. And weird.
Nepal isn't the only place mad honey occurs although it's the most famous. The wiki article states in Northern Turkey near the Black Sea it's been produced for thousands of years. There's ancient accounts of it being used as a biological weapon of war. Left for an invading army to find and consume. The defenders return and slaughter the stupified invaders. This has happened over and over spanning thousands of years.
In the 18th century 25 tons was exported to Europe where the French added it to beer and other liquor products. Civil War soldiers were recorded as getting wasted on the stuff. One question I have about the American accounts. Was the intoxication from poisonous flowers that contributed pollen that created Mad Honey? Or was it honey with a high water content that fermented? Either way you'd be fuckered.
Once again I'll state the reason it works with extremely poisonous plants like Rhododendron is that there is no plant material added except for nectar. If the nectar is not strong enough to kill the bees and their brood, insects sensitive to toxins, it may not be toxic enough to kill people. It is such a small amount in each tiny drop of nectar and it could be mixed with nectar from other flowers to create a melange.
On another note I noticed another member's family has started beekeeping. He doesn't like my writing because it's too long for him to read but I wrote a post for him about starting beekeeping. I decided it doesn't belong where I posted it so I decided to make a beekeeping thread in the lounge. Since I don't know where else to put it. I was a beekeeper for along time, it was a hobby that I enjoyed a lot, there3 might be other beekeepers interested or people who want to learn about it. If you like drinking mead is a fantastic beverage, it's a great way to make money, and bees take your mind away from negative thoughts and help cure PTSD and addiction.
Bees are very positive creatures, for insects they are very 'good'. Just the sound of a content hive is soothing. (A discontent hive makes a terrible discord) I'll come back to this thread and put a link to it, this type of discussion would be good for it. Or if no one is interested it'll wither and die on the vine. i don't care but it's an idea.
I love Indian food I went to India when I was young. In India the food is insanely hot. British curry house or most American curry places aren't that authentic. I notice in my area there's more high quality Indian joints opening up with food like they actually serve in India. One interesting type is Chinese-Indian food. Just like in the West, Chinese immigrated to India and opened restaurants for the Indian palate. Now there's a few in my area. Their lo mein type noodle dishes are so good.
There's also some good Pakistani restaurants here that are delicious. Including a halal Prime beef high quality Pakistani steak house. Serves huge rib eye steaks plus quite a few lamb and other Pakistani dishes. It's good but really weird. For an appetizer they gave us white corn tortilla chips with a pink spicy secret sauce type dressing poured on them that was surprisingly good. And weird.
Nepal isn't the only place mad honey occurs although it's the most famous. The wiki article states in Northern Turkey near the Black Sea it's been produced for thousands of years. There's ancient accounts of it being used as a biological weapon of war. Left for an invading army to find and consume. The defenders return and slaughter the stupified invaders. This has happened over and over spanning thousands of years.
In the 18th century 25 tons was exported to Europe where the French added it to beer and other liquor products. Civil War soldiers were recorded as getting wasted on the stuff. One question I have about the American accounts. Was the intoxication from poisonous flowers that contributed pollen that created Mad Honey? Or was it honey with a high water content that fermented? Either way you'd be fuckered.
Once again I'll state the reason it works with extremely poisonous plants like Rhododendron is that there is no plant material added except for nectar. If the nectar is not strong enough to kill the bees and their brood, insects sensitive to toxins, it may not be toxic enough to kill people. It is such a small amount in each tiny drop of nectar and it could be mixed with nectar from other flowers to create a melange.
On another note I noticed another member's family has started beekeeping. He doesn't like my writing because it's too long for him to read but I wrote a post for him about starting beekeeping. I decided it doesn't belong where I posted it so I decided to make a beekeeping thread in the lounge. Since I don't know where else to put it. I was a beekeeper for along time, it was a hobby that I enjoyed a lot, there3 might be other beekeepers interested or people who want to learn about it. If you like drinking mead is a fantastic beverage, it's a great way to make money, and bees take your mind away from negative thoughts and help cure PTSD and addiction.
Bees are very positive creatures, for insects they are very 'good'. Just the sound of a content hive is soothing. (A discontent hive makes a terrible discord) I'll come back to this thread and put a link to it, this type of discussion would be good for it. Or if no one is interested it'll wither and die on the vine. i don't care but it's an idea.