I'ld like to hear from anyone who uses an opioid to fight depression.

[Kellsee]

^^^^^Shewwww this song destroys me. I’m shattered. Crying.


Please people keep your head up. This isn’t the final lap. Just pretend that we are all just at the airport waiting on our final flight home. Better days are coming. I love yall

This got me into my YouTube playlists and I can’t stop with Ren lol

We can’t forget this one…..Im done now….bye lol

 

[Man67]

A doctor told me years ago that I had "treatment resistant depression." He said they could start me on ECT (shock treatments.) I declined them because I heard you lose part of your memory. That sounds like brain damage to me.

But that was before Ketamine. I was wondering about my chances of getting that. I didn't know you had to give up Oxy for it. Or was that true only for the buprenorphine?

I would not want to give up hydrocodone.

It's 100% true for buprenorphine. For Ketamine I don't know because I can't afford it here in Australia. I heard that it's much cheaper in the USA. Almost 1/2 price of what we are paying here. By the way you're right about ECT. My Psychiatrist told me not to do it due to potential permanent memory loss.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

It's 100% true for buprenorphine. For Ketamine I don't know because I can't afford it here in Australia. I heard that it's much cheaper in the USA. Almost 1/2 price of what we are paying here. By the way you're right about ECT. My Psychiatrist told me not to do it due to potential permanent memory loss.

REN song he got one in HI REN, for what at the end was Lyme.
So a unnecessary treatment ?

REN is afaik the artist of now , with a few others, probably a lot.
So much good music but he for me ,special.

 

[Man67]

Change of plan. From 1.of May Spravato nasal spray (esketamine) for TRD is going to be subsidised by Medicare. Hopefully I'll finally be able to afford it.

There's no point in starting Buvidal injections right now. By the way, does Buprenorphine blocks esketamine which is not an opioid?

 

[DesertHarp]

I'm trying to crawl out from under a ton of depression. Just got my latest refill of Vicodin (hydrocodone.) Truth be told - it won't help very much. It sure does ease the achiness that has come with age, and that alone does reduce some of the reluctance to get up and do things. But the 15 mg I just swallowed is not going to ease my mind. Maybe another 10 mg might get me over the hump. I'm desperate.

On the other hand, I don't want to use up these valuable tablets in a way that isn't even helping. They're too precious to waste.

I guess, if you take enough opioid, you can get a brief interval of feeling okay. That must be how addiction occurs. If this stuff didn't make you feel good, there wouldn't be tens of thousands succumbing to overdose. Enough of it really does relieve mental pain. Persons who are young, healthy, and in no physical pain get attracted to opioids for that reason - to get that transport to that place where it seems like everything is okay. But it doesn't last long and creates worse problems. So I don't go looking for a "plug" to see if I can score a bigger supply. More dope would help, only while I would be doped up. Then it wears off. Then you feel worse. I still have the ability to think longterm. Even that is withering. Short-term relief of anguish is becoming more my goal. No doctor is going to help me with that.

 

[Man67]

Well said. 100% agree!

 

[DesertHarp]

The hydrocodone didn't help. I don't believe that eating 20 of them would help.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Short-term relief of anguish is becoming more my goal. No doctor is going to help me with that.

the only people that get powerful opioids prescribed to them nowdays are heroin addicts.

Physical or emotional pain? No.

Withdrawl pain? Have enough methadone to kill a family even though you have crack and fent in your piss.

I hate society

 

[Man67]

Still waiting for Buvidal monthly injection advice (for treatment resistant depression and chronic pain only). Does it work and what's the downside?

 

[Psynaught]

I'm trying to crawl out from under a ton of depression. Just got my latest refill of Vicodin (hydrocodone.) Truth be told - it won't help very much. It sure does ease the achiness that has come with age, and that alone does reduce some of the reluctance to get up and do things. But the 15 mg I just swallowed is not going to ease my mind. Maybe another 10 mg might get me over the hump. I'm desperate.

On the other hand, I don't want to use up these valuable tablets in a way that isn't even helping. They're too precious to waste.

I guess, if you take enough opioid, you can get a brief interval of feeling okay. That must be how addiction occurs. If this stuff didn't make you feel good, there wouldn't be tens of thousands succumbing to overdose. Enough of it really does relieve mental pain. Persons who are young, healthy, and in no physical pain get attracted to opioids for that reason - to get that transport to that place where it seems like everything is okay. But it doesn't last long and creates worse problems. So I don't go looking for a "plug" to see if I can score a bigger supply. More dope would help, only while I would be doped up. Then it wears off. Then you feel worse. I still have the ability to think longterm. Even that is withering. Short-term relief of anguish is becoming more my goal. No doctor is going to help me with that.

I have not read all your posts but involvement in a 12 step group might help you. I quit drinking 35 years ago and became very active in AA. I don't go anymore (lost my belief in a higher power) but I do miss the fellowship and getting with a group of sympathetic people.

 

[DesertHarp]

I have not read all your posts but involvement in a 12 step group might help you. I quit drinking 35 years ago and became very active in AA. I don't go anymore (lost my belief in a higher power) but I do miss the fellowship and getting with a group of sympathetic people.

I wish there was a 12 step group for depressives. Fellowship can be powerful.

 

[Quasimoto]

I wish there was a 12 step group for depressives. Fellowship can be powerful.

Nothing stopping you from attending AA/NA/DAA. I'm Snafu, the guy who first responded to your thread here. If you can't stop taking opioids, but your main issue is depression, you are absolutely qualified to go to any of those programs. The first step is to admit you have a problem with the hydrocodone, though. If you can't do that, don't go. The only requirement to attend those meetings is admitting you have a problem or a desire to stop using. There is nothing in the 12 step literature that says you have to actually stop using to attend, although that is frowned upon (don't tell anyone).

and indeed, the fellowship is powerful.

 

[Man67]

Is there any antisuicidal medication that works immediately (beside opioids)? The day has come when even Endone doesn't help anymore. I have a potentially good news which can take a couple of months. How to survive until than?

 

[Kellsee]

Nothing stopping you from attending AA/NA/DAA. I'm Snafu, the guy who first responded to your thread here. If you can't stop taking opioids, but your main issue is depression, you are absolutely qualified to go to any of those programs. The first step is to admit you have a problem with the hydrocodone, though. If you can't do that, don't go. The only requirement to attend those meetings is admitting you have a problem or a desire to stop using. There is nothing in the 12 step literature that says you have to actually stop using to attend, although that is frowned upon (don't tell anyone).

and indeed, the fellowship is powerful.

You are Snafu?!!!? Oh my gosh Ive been wondering what happened to you and how you were doing. I didn’t realize thats who Ive been talking to when responding to you!! Can’t believe I didn’t pick up on it till right now! I’m so sorry. I’m glad to know who you are now and that you’re still here or that you’re back

 

[Kellsee]

Considering ups and downs and not being able to dig yourself out of the depression hole, is there any antisuicidal medication that works immediately (beside opioids)?

Every time I catch one of your posts it breaks my heart for you and I want to give you all the advice I can. But I need to catch up on your circumstances because I don’t know all of your contributing factors nor many details about your specific situation. I hate to ask you questions about details you’ve probably already had to explain over and over again already. Is there anyway they’ve been able to test your levels of neurotransmitters and hormones? I’m not even sure how possible that is. I’m not familiar with how much they can access what alls involved with what causes depression. Is any of it trauma based?

Im just so sorry you have to suffer like you do. I really hope things get better for you. I can’t even imagine how hard it’s been for you with how everything is

 

[Kellsee]

Considering ups and downs and not being able to dig yourself out of the depression hole, is there any antisuicidal medication that works immediately (beside opioids)?

Are you actually scared of what you might convince yourself to do eventually?? This should never happen. No one should ever have that concern even cross their mind. This is so much more important then protection of liability or policies. I’m so sorry

 

[DesertHarp]

Nothing stopping you from attending AA/NA/DAA. I'm Snafu, the guy who first responded to your thread here. If you can't stop taking opioids, but your main issue is depression, you are absolutely qualified to go to any of those programs. The first step is to admit you have a problem with the hydrocodone, though. If you can't do that, don't go. The only requirement to attend those meetings is admitting you have a problem or a desire to stop using. There is nothing in the 12 step literature that says you have to actually stop using to attend, although that is frowned upon (don't tell anyone).

and indeed, the fellowship is powerful.

Twenty years ago, I went to an AA meeting. A guy sitting next to me at the meeting said, "You look like you could have done a lot more drinking before needing to come here." Somehow he knew, just looking at me, that I wasn't an alcoholic. The fellowship of members in a 12 step program comes from them having some commonality of experience. When I attended AA or NA (I've checked out both.), it did not seem to me like I had that sense of shared experience with others at the meeting. I had figured that members in these programs would know a thing or two about depression. I suppose they did, but that was not their focus. I felt like an intruder.

Once I was referred to a program that turned out to be for persons with substance abuse problems. I was told to just say I had a substance abuse problem . . . to just say I was an alcoholic. So I did. At the meetings, we all had to name our substance-of-choice. So I would say "alcohol." I felt like a fraud. The demons in my head seemed unlike what the rest of the group were talking about. Typically, attendees at this program were grappling with legal issues. Some were women trying to regain custody of their children. Some were men wearing ankle monitors. Some had alcohol detectors installed in their vehicles. They were a friendly group, but I felt I had litte to say that they could relate to. I felt isolated. Not because others in the group weren't cordial toward me. We just had very different problems.

 

[Quasimoto]

A guy sitting next to me at the meeting said, "You look like you could have done a lot more drinking before needing to come here."

That is a very inappropriate thing for him to have said. I would have punched him in the face. Dick sizing addiction is stupid and ultimately irrelevant.

Every meeting is different, different people, different vibes, etc. I would have suggested finding a different meeting. Everyone fits in somewhere, you need to find a "home meeting". They have woman only meetings, they have meetings for young people, older people, general meetings, etc.

I do not like NA meetings because I don't like the people, even though it's essentially the same exact program and literature. I've always preferred AA, even though for the majority of my life I was a junky, not an alcoholic, although that did change down the line for me.

I was told to just say I had a substance abuse problem . . . to just say I was an alcoholic.

Yeah it doesn't really matter. I just say I'm an addict in AA meetings, because it's shorter than saying I'm a polysubstance addict and alcoholic. Nobody really cares. There is no rule in AA that you have to be an alcoholic to attend, but the literature mainly mentions alcohol. Just replace alcohol with X. You aren't a fraud. If you want to be there, you belong there. Period.

 

[DesertHarp]

That is a very inappropriate thing for him to have said. I would have punched him in the face. Dick sizing addiction is stupid and ultimately irrelevant.

Every meeting is different, different people, different vibes, etc. I would have suggested finding a different meeting. Everyone fits in somewhere, you need to find a "home meeting". They have woman only meetings, they have meetings for young people, older people, general meetings, etc.

I do not like NA meetings because I don't like the people, even though it's essentially the same exact program and literature. I've always preferred AA, even though for the majority of my life I was a junky, not an alcoholic, although that did change down the line for me.


Yeah it doesn't really matter. I just say I'm an addict in AA meetings, because it's shorter than saying I'm a polysubstance addict and alcoholic. Nobody really cares. There is no rule in AA that you have to be an alcoholic to attend, but the literature mainly mentions alcohol. Just replace alcohol with X. You aren't a fraud. If you want to be there, you belong there. Period.

Thanks for your post. I mostly tried Al-Anon because there were alcoholics in my life. At a meeting 2 years ago, I was sharing that I was worried about my brother, who was in and out of homelessness due to alcohol. I mentioned that I was considering trying to find him because I didn't know where he was. The moderator of that group started shaking his head side to side, conveying an emphatic, "No, don't do that." To me, that was a violation of the rule against "cross-talk." He wasn't verbalizing out loud, but he was clearly disapproving of what I said. It was a small group of persons who all seemed to mainly want to hate on the alcoholics they knew. No one there offered to talk with me one-on-one. I gave up after 4 meetings. A year later, my brother was found dead in a cheap motel room. The death certificate said "methamphetamine toxicity." The motel was about a mile from where I live.

I tried another group. It was all women. They kinda sounded to me like they were reading from a script. But I didn't give that group a fair shot.