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I agree on all counts.
It's why we get along despite our views on politics seeming to others like they would conflict. We are living in very different contextual environments (I'm an american man, I believe you're a european woman? though I don't actually know) the forces and factors that you and I have had to navigate to survive are different and have resulted in different views. However, I believe that you and I share similar values (as I do with @lecroute ) which is why we get along really well also.
 
I did the training in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy years ago and it really opened my eyes to how important context is, and how our values are our compass.
 
I did the training in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy years ago and it really opened my eyes to how important context is, and how our values are our compass.
It's partly why I think a psychology esoterica forum on here would be sick and why I'd love to work with you on building it.
 
It's why we get along despite our views on politics seeming to others like they would conflict. We are living in very different contextual environments (I'm an american man, I believe you're a european woman? though I don't actually know) the forces and factors that you and I have had to navigate to survive are different and have resulted in different views. However, I believe that you and I share similar values (as I do with @lecroute ) which is why we get along really well also.
My parents are German and WASP Australian, but I was raised in the US and lived there until 2012, so for most of my life. My parents travelled extensively and for long periods (to Europe and Australia) growing up and I spent a year in Switzerland when I was 12 and a year in Montréal when I was 13. I never saw my family except for school vacations - and not always even then - after leaving/being sent away at 12; I went onto boarding school for high school and then college after.

I’ve never felt that I really fit in anywhere but I feel more at home socially, politically and legally in the US than anywhere else. The only benefit of living in Europe (that could not be duplicated in the US) is that the mosquitoes barely bother me whereas the ones in the New World I react to very extremely.

As a woman with Asperger’s, I have often felt in between men and women, mentally. I relate to men far better than most women.
 
I did the training in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy years ago and it really opened my eyes to how important context is, and how our values are our compass.
I need to look into that more - is there a book you recommend? Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) has been tremendously useful for me. I wanted to be a psychiatrist and change the field from the inside, but I became too disillusioned with modern medical practice in the US. But neuroscience, psychology and mental health will always be major interests for me.
 
I need to look into that more - is there a book you recommend? Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) has been tremendously useful for me. I wanted to be a psychiatrist and change the field from the inside, but I became too disillusioned with modern medical practice in the US. But neuroscience, psychology and mental health will always be major interests for me.


Stephen Hayes is great.
 
Yes, I did for a while but I have been good, and attacking those that want to destroy western civilization? Maybe you need understand. I am far from being a racist. But I see religious fanatics from the middle east as a threat. I love the arabs I live around. Even the Muslims in Dearborn are nice. I liked the Mexicans I meet and worked with when I briefly lived in Texas.

But you people think anyone who disagrees with and attacks me and I fight back that I am mean?

People only see things through a narrow scope and dismiss anything said by the leftists. Also people on here really lack a sense of humor.
Their attacks are ok, because I am an independent with traditional values and varied but more of the common sense type political beliefs.
But I see reality. Even Bill Maher can see the nonsense in this country.

He sees all the ridiculous bs, that traditional liberals say nothing about.

You only see my attacks against stupidity as mean. Peoples attacks on me don't phase me in the least.
The left ignores the wrongs of their side and never anything positive about the other. They can do no wrong and the majority of people with common sense can do no right.
Sorry, but I have been in too many different categories of class to look down on people.

The leftists think everyone who doesn't agree with all their crazy bs and think exactly like they do: Is narrow minded and a racist because they don't hate their own country?
The left shouts down opposing view points. Look at all the nut jobs who will do whatever they are told to think. I have a relative who worked for a Nuclear power plant for almost 40 years. Now the same people who were always protesting the nuclear power plant he worked at; they now have their marching orders from Bill Gates and Warren Buffet; that nuclear power is green energy?
Global cooling 1970's nope
Ozone Hole, I guess it fixed it self?
Global Warming: disproven
Climate change. Yeah yesterday was warmer than today.
What next to try to get their world government. They ain't even trying to hide their ambitions of a World Government and that will be the biggest mistake since all that fuss over dumbass Arch Duke Ferdinand going into hostile territory and eventually causing somewhere between 50-100 million deaths because WW1 led to WW2.
 
Yes, I did for a while but I have been good, and attacking those that want to destroy western civilization? Maybe you need understand. I am far from being a racist. But I see religious fanatics from the middle east as a threat. I love the arabs I live around. Even the Muslims in Dearborn are nice. I liked the Mexicans I meet and worked with when I briefly lived in Texas.

But you people think anyone who disagrees with and attacks me and I fight back that I am mean?

People only see things through a narrow scope and dismiss anything said by the leftists. Also people on here really lack a sense of humor.
Their attacks are ok, because I am an independent with traditional values and varied but more of the common sense type political beliefs.
But I see reality. Even Bill Maher can see the nonsense in this country.

He sees all the ridiculous bs, that traditional liberals say nothing about.

You only see my attacks against stupidity as mean. Peoples attacks on me don't phase me in the least.
Who are you talking to?
 
This country started down A bad path with NAFTA. Both sides have their selfish ambitions. But remember except for Elon Musk most of the Truley rich are Left wingers. Trump ain't rich compared to Buffet, Gates, all the computer nerd multi billionaires and all the money they use to manipulate this country and world is ignored. But one Billionaire isn't in line with their Globalist Ideas, they are personally attacked
That filters down and the left has made political discourse an issue.

Also Trypakid you talked about being busted with drugs once on here; can you still get a passport with a felony drug charge or a visa?

I was talking to distant karma and you
 
This country started down A bad path with NAFTA. Both sides have their selfish ambitions. But remember except for Elon Musk most of the Truley rich are Left wingers. Trump ain't rich compared to Buffet, Gates, all the computer nerd multi billionaires and all the money they use to manipulate this country and world is ignored. But one Billionaire isn't in line with their Globalist Ideas, they are personally attacked
That filters down and the left has made political discourse an issue.

Also Trypakid you talked about being busted with drugs once one here; can you still get a passport with a felony drug charge or a visa?
I don't have a criminal record and can pass a background check. I talked about being pulled over but I didn't actually have drugs on me. I think you misread. I have a passport.
I was talking to distant karma and you
 
I didn't say you were poor. But, compared to the people that make decisions and are running this country into the ground and hoarding all of our countries value yeah, you are poor as fuck, and you have no real say in what happens. That's how it is for everybody, not just you.

Yet, for some reason, instead of focusing your energy on critiquing those people and looking at ways to improve things for all of us, you spend hours spreading fear about Mexicans, Muslims, Catholics, fckin Justin Bieber and just so much more. You've got way more in common with a poor Muslim immigrant than you do with Donald Trump or any other shitty politician that nominally agrees with your views.

You're not an idiot. After reading a lot of your hateful rant over years now, I just think you should reevaluate where you direct your ire. Because it's misguided. What little power we do have in this country, can really only be fully harnessed as a group. Individually spreading fear and hate and rage about immigrants and people that are different from you, literally accomplishes nothing for anyone, other than a neat way to put more hate anger and bullshit into the universe, which we already got plenty of. But, all of that that is your own business, I just think you're smarter than that.

But, if you really are blessed financially, you've confirmed that money certainly can't buy happiness.
I am happy, I like to debate. Trust I may be waiting to see when my liver goes but I am happier than you. I am not rich I am just not poor and I am OK but thinking I am unhappy; when have I ever been as unhappy as you? I am just in hostile territory and this place, I have few allies which is ok. Because I am not like most of the people on here.
I have had misery and good times but through it all I can't say that I don't laugh and smile alot and that is without anything illegal in in me blood stream.
Sorry to burst your bubble down, you mistake strongly debating and and occasionally goofing on a nitwit as me being unhappy. Bored at times. Too much free time, but I have inner peace. I don't like terrorists. So I hate Mexicans?
what did I say about your favorite singer dk and when was goofing on Bieber a crime? Haha haha

You apparently don't know the history of the Catholic Church.
What they did to and terrorized Europe for over 1000 years with their heretics backed by killing and torturing millions? Especially Protestants. Now they as always are still meddling in politics, so yeah I am mad at the Vatican and I don't hate Catholics. They have a right to be wrong. It is the Vatican and The Pope and their blasphemous religious views and claiming to be the head of Christianity. Nope.
 
The US does NOT have the resources to improve all these issues whilst trying to save the entire world at the same time, especially considering the extreme debt.
Yeah, I meant the US could easily provide for its own citizens, if it cared to. There are like 15x more unused and empty houses in the US than there are homeless people. It would not be difficult at all to have an actual shelter system in place for people to have some baseline needs met. Musk alone could feed every hungry kid in this country and still be the richest guy in the world. Don't get me started on the health insurance companies who produce nothing of value, ripping us off. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that the poverty and scarcity we see in this country isn't completely manufactured to make rich people richer and create fake jobs that waste our time and energy.
I HAVE been to China and they have far more poor and homeless people in far worse conditions. It’s considered a developing country for a reason. I don’t think we have accurate data on China’s suicide or incarceration rates, but I would not be surprised if the US is doing worse in that regard. But probably not by very much. All the West is suffering from a severe lack of identity and meaning, unlike China which still has a collective identity. The Chinese are also much more conformist and thus less likely to use/abuse drugs. China also has much lower in crime because it is a racially homogenous state.
Yeah, well again I didn't say it's the mecca of civilization. But I'm confident it's only still considered a developing country for whatever preferential treatment that affords it. Every country has problems.

But the US having double the suicide rate, of a country that according to you and many others is impoverished and in such dire straits, is not a negligible statistic. In fact, I'd argue that is the most important number regarding national quality of life. What else is more to the point than determining how many people in a country hate their life so much they end it? Why do you think so many people in America kill themselves? Is it because there's too many immigrants and other races? Too many Mexicans and Arabs makes life unbearable for us here? I feel like it probably has a lot to do with lacking access to basic shit that humans need, like housing and healthcare, and having most of our production value gifted to the welfare queens in the investment & insurance offices that didn't produce anything of value or earn it.

China is far more authoritarian and exploitative, though. China has a much longer history of ‘racism and barbarism against immigrants and other minorities’ - that’s why they eradicated virtually all of them and are 92% Han Chinese
Yeah, I mean the US fought a massive war over whether land owners could keep human beings as property or not. Lots of people alive today remember Jim Crow, remember segregation. The klan is responsible for thousands of lynchings, and they are still active and organizing. Things aren't exactly ideal now either. Federal immigration agents just kidnapped a legal resident for organizing protests against a genocide we're complicit in (it's ok because they're Muslim/ Hamas took hostages, etc.) That's indicative of a society in which racism has been normalized for a long time. I mean, yeah there's just too many examples of mistreatment of American citizens by the government to really make that argument. Science experiments, wars, spying, police brutality, whatever on and on.

It's kind of apples and oranges though, they are different countries, different histories, different cultures, and yeah, both have had some fucked up problems and engaged in fucked up behavior and imperialism. There is no numerical metric for authoritarianism or brutality. My original point was simply that China has seen a vast amount of growth from organizing their economy more deliberately.

This doesn't mean China is beyond criticism, or it's perfect, or it doesn't have issues, or even that it's a model the US needs to follow. It also doesn't mean that the US doesn't have shit it does right that has brought growth and success. I try not to engage in black and white thinking.

Things would improve in this country if the economy was motivated by something other than profit. If someone's hungry feed them, if someone has nowhere to live, shelter them. If a road is broken, fix it. If something needs to be done, do it. We literally have the resources, we're just married to profit and know nothing else. But, I understand that watching children starve and die in your neighborhood, just isn't quite as motivating as the possibility of getting a fur coat, muscle car, boner pills, or gaining material control over the people around you.
 
You already have no power. You have no money bro. It was white American (european, whatever, Western) citizens, mostly, that did that to us. It's really not so different between America and Europe. The West, and probably the rest of the world, is careening once again towards economic collapse amongst impending trade wars. This is manufactured, but not by muslims, not by Mexican immigrants.

Of course it's about race. You have a fear that someone of a different race wants to dominate you and take your shit. This fear has been instilled and cultivated in you since childhood, for a reason.
It is religion not race. Muslim is not a race and I am only mad at the ones that want jihad. Muslims come in every race but Eskimo.
Never seen a Muslim Eskimo, haha.
Remember the white American Jihadists I think Obama offed a few.
You know race and religion? Between Fanatics bent on killing everyone like in Syria now. Kill all those who are different is what they do. I don't like the slaughter of people including members of different sects of Islam and different denominations of Christianity and who else they kill.
I am against murderous religious fanatics so I am a racist? Are you kidding me. Do you know the difference between race and religion? And the difference between peaceful Muslims and Jihadists and violent immigrants.
I suppose you think Iranians are Arabs? Haha. They are Persians. The turks are turks not arabs.
The arabs are not Somali drug gang members in Sweden. Ha ha
Weak, and sad.
But that is the way it is when you see life through clichés and bs and make blanket statements that have no basis in fact.
 
Yeah, I mean, my point was primarily based on the amount of economic power and influence China currently has, and the growth they saw very rapidly after their communist revolution. I don't think there's any question that growth is attributed to the change in economic system. I don't think you can just boil all of that down to industrialists sending exports and factories over there. There's more to it than that.
They don't really hold that much power though, because the industrial base they have was essentially transferred by Western powers. Not even 100 years ago China was nothing. Historically their elite have been suckered before, the first time with the Jesuit's who pilfered all their knowledge in exchange for astronomical knowledge etc centuries ago. They got suckered again.

The West basically promised them economic acceleration in exchange for taking all our shitty industry and basically enslaving/enclosing the entire population much like the British did to its natives with the industrial revolution. That's exactly what happened in China. Under the guise of Mao (Western stooge), they turned the country inside out, kicked farmers and village folks off their land, and built urban prisons for the factories. And the only way they can keep that going is with high-tech authoritarianism, which will always fail eventually.
I HAVE been to China and they have far more poor and homeless people in far worse conditions. It’s considered a developing country for a reason. I don’t think we have accurate data on China’s suicide or incarceration rates, but I would not be surprised if the US is doing worse in that regard. But probably not by very much. All the West is suffering from a severe lack of identity and meaning, unlike China which still has a collective identity. The Chinese are also much more conformist and thus less likely to use/abuse drugs. China also has much lower in crime because it is a racially homogenous state.
China is similar to Japan, in that they have a very hivemind type society, and in both cases they have become really twisted by economics itself. They functioned well as more agrarian type societies, with simple religious systems at the local level, but scaled up to the national level intertwined with economics.. it has really fucked them up. Korea as well. Once the notion was dropped into the collective that they must work all hours, stay until the boss leaves, etc.. it's like those ants that get stuck in a doom spiral until they all starve.

Japan is demographically fucked. Koreans are checking out as well. The Chinese birthed what I believe will be seen historically as the beginning of the end of the global economic order, seen in their youth with the 'lay flat/let it rot' cultural movement. Their collective identity was shredded already, with the enclosure/industrial revolution type movement I mentioned above. They had an identity, with their simple lives and multiple small religious systems, and the state destroyed all that and put in place a completely fake one.
 
They don't really hold that much power though, because the industrial base they have was essentially transferred by Western powers. Not even 100 years ago China was nothing. Historically their elite have been suckered before, the first time with the Jesuit's who pilfered all their knowledge in exchange for astronomical knowledge etc centuries ago. They got suckered again.

The West basically promised them economic acceleration in exchange for taking all our shitty industry and basically enslaving/enclosing the entire population much like the British did to its natives with the industrial revolution. That's exactly what happened in China. Under the guise of Mao (Western stooge), they turned the country inside out, kicked farmers and village folks off their land, and built urban prisons for the factories. And the only way they can keep that going is with high-tech authoritarianism, which will always fail eventually.
I mean... just look at my wifi -it's always obnoxious and going down. Tech authoritarianism is way too vulnerable to wind and rain and environment.

If the internet crashed what would happen to all the crypto wealth
China is similar to Japan, in that they have a very hivemind type society, and in both cases they have become really twisted by economics itself. They functioned well as more agrarian type societies, with simple religious systems at the local level, but scaled up to the national level intertwined with economics.. it has really fucked them up. Korea as well. Once the notion was dropped into the collective that they must work all hours, stay until the boss leaves, etc.. it's like those ants that get stuck in a doom spiral until they all starve.

Japan is demographically fucked. Koreans are checking out as well. The Chinese birthed what I believe will be seen historically as the beginning of the end of the global economic order, seen in their youth with the 'lay flat/let it rot' cultural movement. Their collective identity was shredded already, with the enclosure/industrial revolution type movement I mentioned above. They had an identity, with their simple lives and multiple small religious systems, and the state destroyed all that and put in place a completely fake one.
 
If the internet crashed what would happen to all the crypto wealth
I believe that's what it's for, two things actually: suck up all the wealth of the younger demographics in particular (older folks are hooked with mortgages and pensions) and then crash it into the ground, and the second is to test-run + acclimatize the public to digital currency for when they pull the plug and force that on everyone.
 
I believe that's what it's for, two things actually: suck up all the wealth of the younger demographics in particular (older folks are hooked with mortgages and pensions) and then crash it into the ground, and the second is to test-run + acclimatize the public to digital currency for when they pull the plug and force that on everyone.
I'm seeing it now in small scale.

I want to go to the family's owned beach house next week. I offered to pay 100$ for me and my buddy to go there from Tuesday - Thursday.

They want 400$ because it's 2 nights. Because it's expensive to heat.

Bitch... I keep my apartment at 62 degrees in december everyday. You own properties in three states. C'mon man...
 
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