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paranoid android said:
What about all the children that those settlers and the army killed? I guess you only care about Israeli deaths
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Do you think there's a difference between collateral damage in a military operation and the kidnapping/ intentional murder of child hostages? They could've returned them but they killed them because they were tired of taking care of them. Probably crying too much. It's a legitimate question...

Anyway. Here's what Trump posted. I'm sure Kamala wouldn't have been much better. No huge diff.
Gg guys. 🫡

 
paranoid android said:
What about all the children that those settlers and the army killed? I guess you only care about Israeli deaths
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Where did I say I insinuate that I only care about Israeli deaths? In the context of the article, the Israeli deaths would not have happened had Hamas not conducted the October 8th event, and subsequent deaths and destruction would also not happened had Hamas not held on to hostages.

It kind of gets lost, but don't forget that holding civilians as hostages like this is a war crime. But even more than that, remember that those still being held have been held for over a year.. probably with lack of access to Sun and fresh air, and of course everything that goes with being a hostage of a terrorist force that hates your guts. That is worse than solitary confinement in a Western high security prison. Like we talk about all the deaths and such, but that is some serious torture of the mind and soul for those poor people.
 
I know we are liberal on this site but, I have read some of the messages and they are just racists hate. Why is the Administrators Not blocking this?
 
abdnlad said:
I know we are liberal on this site but, I have read some of the messages and they are just racists hate. Why is the Administrators Not blocking this?
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people are different, and therefore react differently to certain topics, phrases, words, or images and videos.
if you feel offended by something someone posted, feel free to report that post, ideally with a reason why you think it should be deleted.
this way, staff can deal with it.
 
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Where did I say I insinuate that I only care about Israeli deaths? In the context of the article, the Israeli deaths would not have happened had Hamas not conducted the October 8th event, and subsequent deaths and destruction would also not happened had Hamas not held on to hostages.

It kind of gets lost, but don't forget that holding civilians as hostages like this is a war crime. But even more than that, remember that those still being held have been held for over a year.. probably with lack of access to Sun and fresh air, and of course everything that goes with being a hostage of a terrorist force that hates your guts. That is worse than solitary confinement in a Western high security prison. Like we talk about all the deaths and such, but that is some serious torture of the mind and soul for those poor people.
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Hamas went about it the wrong way. Personally if i had been in change of Hamas's military i would have taken the fight to them and hit military instillations and also police inside Israel. Also Hamas could learn a thing or 2 from the PIRA. Israel doesent give a fuck about how many of it's soldiers or citizens you kill but once you start costing them money they will care. I would find the biggest building inside Tel Aviv and truckbomb that fucker
 
paranoid android said:
I would find the biggest building inside Tel Aviv and truckbomb that fucker
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So you would pull an Oklahoma City Bombing copycat attack on a building with 171 housing units, 250 hotel rooms, and business offices, but has no Israeli military in it. You're really exposing yourself here
 
Electrum1 said:
So you would pull an Oklahoma City Bombing copycat attack on a building with 171 housing units, 250 hotel rooms, and business offices, but has no Israeli military in it. You're really exposing yourself here
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No im not a cold blooded killer i would put in a 1 hour warning and let the people evacuate. You want to cause infrastructure damage not deaths. The PIRA blew up half of downtown Manchester without killing a single soul.

To quote Tom Barry "They had gone into the mire to destroy us and our nation and down into the mire we had to go after them"
 
Yeah you'd totally be able to just drive a truck up to the building after giving a terrorist attack warning an hour ahead of time. Pretty solid plan there
 
paranoid android said:
Hamas went about it the wrong way. Personally if i had been in change of Hamas's military i would have taken the fight to them and hit military instillations and also police inside Israel. Also Hamas could learn a thing or 2 from the PIRA. Israel doesent give a fuck about how many of it's soldiers or citizens you kill but once you start costing them money they will care. I would find the biggest building inside Tel Aviv and truckbomb that fucker
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And how is that going to do anything other cause more retributive violence? You know Hamas can't ever win against Israel militarily, right? Nor can it's financial backers in the Middle East either, win against Israel, the USA, UK, etc.

Military operations cost money, something that Hamas in and of itself does not have and is not guaranteed to have in perpetuity from its donors either.

But you know what doesn't cost money though? Changing your heart and mind, to not hating Jew's. The whole thing could be neutralized if these people just dropped their political-religious bullshit, and tried cooperating instead of competing. I mean they are literally next door neighbours to one of the worlds most innovating high-tech nations, that's a golden ticket opportunity to share in some prosperity, but they'd rather cling to their hatred and continue to live like rats in their tunnels and subsequently force their dependents to live undignified lives of strife and take the inevitable collateral flak from Israel's military operations.
 
Electrum1 said:
So you just end up causing the owners of the building to collect huge insurance payouts that may even be more than the building is worth. That's genius
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And how is that going to do anything other cause more retributive violence? You know Hamas can't ever win against Israel militarily, right? Nor can it's financial backers in the Middle East either, win against Israel, the USA, UK, etc.

Military operations cost money, something that Hamas in and of itself does not have and is not guaranteed to have in perpetuity from its donors either.

But you know what doesn't cost money though? Changing your heart and mind, to not hating Jew's. The whole thing could be neutralized if these people just dropped their political-religious bullshit, and tried cooperating instead of competing. I mean they are literally next door neighbours to one of the worlds most innovating high-tech nations, that's a golden ticket opportunity to share in some prosperity, but they'd rather cling to their hatred and continue to live like rats in their tunnels and subsequently force their dependents to live undignified lives of strife and take the inevitable collateral flak from Israel's military operations.
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This all sounds very familiar. Where have i heard this argument before? Oh ya the British when they where doing the same thing to the Irish. If the Irish killed one British person they where the devil but if British troops killed Irish civilians it was just a causality of war. Also like Ireland wasent about protestants and Catholics this isnt about Muslims and Jews. This is no different then the plantation of Ulster or what the whites did in South Africa. It's simply settlers trying to make more living room for themselves

What was the Nazi word for it? Oh ya lebensraum. That is the ultimate goal of Zionists
 
paranoid android said:
This all sounds very familiar. Where have i heard this argument before? Oh ya the British when they where doing the same thing to the Irish. If the Irish killed one British person they where the devil but if British troops killed Irish civilians it was just a causality of war. Also like Ireland wasent about protestants and Catholics this isnt about Muslims and Jews. This is no different then the plantation of Ulster or what the whites did in South Africa. It's simply settlers trying to make more living room for themselves
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So if you were in charge of the whole situation, what would be your preferred outcome then? I have to presume it would be the end of Israel, in which case what then? What happens to all the Jewish people who are now going to be displaced?

I honestly don't see what the problem is with letting Jews have their own little slice of land, relative to the gargantuan total land mass occupied by Islamic dominated countries. More innovation is coming out of that tiny little strip than the entire region of Islamic dominated countries that, if it weren't for the value of oil, would still just be largely desert waste anyway. Look at what Hamas chose to spend all its money (that it was given) on.. tunnels and military operations, and not uplifting the lives of the residents.

One part of me would love to see Israel disappear, only so we could then watch the inevitable as the land mass became just another unproductive desert waste and its inhabitants continue to not transcend their living state.
 
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So if you were in charge of the whole situation, what would be your preferred outcome then? I have to presume it would be the end of Israel, in which case what then? What happens to all the Jewish people who are now going to be displaced?

I honestly don't see what the problem is with letting Jews have their own little slice of land, relative to the gargantuan total land mass occupied by Islamic dominated countries. More innovation is coming out of that tiny little strip than the entire region of Islamic dominated countries that, if it weren't for the value of oil, would still just be largely desert waste anyway. Look at what Hamas chose to spend all its money (that it was given) on.. tunnels and military operations, and not uplifting the lives of the residents.

One part of me would love to see Israel disappear, only so we could then watch the inevitable as the land mass became just another unproductive desert waste and its inhabitants continue to not transcend their living state.
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my preferred outcome is quite simple its the same as the PFLP fought for. A socialist state for both Israel and Palestine. Basically a unitary Marxist-Leninist state
 
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Where did I say I insinuate that I only care about Israeli deaths? In the context of the article, the Israeli deaths would not have happened had Hamas not conducted the October 8th event, and subsequent deaths and destruction would also not happened had Hamas not held on to hostages.

It kind of gets lost, but don't forget that holding civilians as hostages like this is a war crime. But even more than that, remember that those still being held have been held for over a year.. probably with lack of access to Sun and fresh air, and of course everything that goes with being a hostage of a terrorist force that hates your guts. That is worse than solitary confinement in a Western high security prison. Like we talk about all the deaths and such, but that is some serious torture of the mind and soul for those poor people.
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The October 8th event wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the preceding multidecade terrorism campaign of the Israeli government conducted in Gaza and the west bank. Its been going on a lot longer than a few years
 
someguyontheinternet said:
The October 8th event wouldn't have happened if it weren't for the preceding multidecade terrorism campaign of the Israeli government conducted in Gaza and the west bank. Its been going on a lot longer than a few years
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So we're back to tit-for-tat theory then. There's only two ways out of that, one is the complete destruction of either side, the other is for reconciliation and making the best of a difficult situation. What have Hamas etc done towards the latter approach? I mean it should be clear by now that they're never going to win militarily against Israel, Israel is not going anywhere, if if they or anyone else seriously tried to remove Israel then everyone in the Middle East will get turned to nuclear ash.
 
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So we're back to tit-for-tat theory then. There's only two ways out of that, one is the complete destruction of either side, the other is for reconciliation and making the best of a difficult situation. What have Hamas etc done towards the latter approach? I mean it should be clear by now that they're never going to win militarily against Israel, Israel is not going anywhere, if if they or anyone else seriously tried to remove Israel then everyone in the Middle East will get turned to nuclear ash.
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It would be pretty easy for Israel to stop making new settlements in Palestinian areas. Maybe to stop sending IDF troops to wake people up at 4am? Perhaps not throwing tear gas at medical workers? One party here has far more power than the other and has been oppressing the other for a long time. That doesn't happen without significant generational trauma, how do you think Hamas gets new recruits so easily? Its all thanks to Israel
 
paranoid android said:
What about all the children that those settlers and the army killed? I guess you only care about Israeli deaths
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Yeah, pretty much. People die in wars and the Palestinian government, Hamas is a terrorist group. You elect terrorists bent on a second Holocaust, then you get what you deserve. Get off Israel's land and stop attacking them. The brave terrorists like to use human shields and force civilians to stash their weapons, tanks and rockets ect. In their homes so Israel attacks those stashes. War brought on by terrorists really makes a mess. Hamas wants as many dead Palestinians as possible to get brain washed fools to support them.

Then they also use Mosques to hide weapons and house terrorists. Along with civilian homes and Mosques; they use schools and hospitals. Hamas, Hezbollah, and other terrorist groups and supporters are the real reason Palestinians suffer. As one very well known Bluelight member and member of staff once posted, The Palestinians; can't get their shit together.

You go into a bears cave and start kicking it while sleeping, see what happens.( not during hibernation, not sure how fast they would wake up).

The left and the terrorists and their billions of supporters want the Jews exterminated, just like Hiitler.
 
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