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someguyontheinternet said:
I hope you can extend that same empathy towards people being harmed in the past, such as the native Americans and those in the Congo, those being harmed today and in the future when you learn about these things happening again, as we know they will because history tends to repeat itself.
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This is great and all, but it only works if the other party has an open heart as well otherwise it is naïve and asking to be exploited. As we can see all across the EU, as we can see just yesterday in Munich in Germany or throughout the entire month of January in Sweden.

Tolerance without discernment is suicidal empathy, because there are those who will see it as a weakness and try to exploit it. You have to take things as they are, and if you just look at what the Palestinian's are saying/doing (and many Islamic followers elsewhere) they clearly are not on the same wavelength as 'tolerance'.

If you want to talk about tolerance, tolerance would look like the Islamic Middle East going "Hey, you know what? We have tens of thousands of square miles of land, Islamic land, let's just let the Jews have their tiny slice of land by the sea and let's draw a line under this and get on with life already".

The irony is that these people won't even tolerate the Palestinian's in their own lands, though that really is just an excuse to keep the tensions high because ultimately again it boils down to hatred of Jews and they'd rather the Palestinian's suffer than ever see Israel 'win' in their eyes.
 
There were peaceful tribes and then you have the not so peaceful who would kill of all the men and boys of fighting age and take their land and women and children to grow their tribe and become bigger and more powerful.

Same as with Shaka Zulu and other tribes in primitive old times in Africa.

Men are prone to violence and brutality.
Look at all the countless innocent people brutally sacrificed by South American natives such as the Incas and many others. Yeah sacrificing children to Demon gods, yeah that is not something we should respect or be shocked by.

But time marches on and guess what there is no way that Other Cultures wouldn't have modernized and taken over North and South America if the European's didn't.

My point about the 2 Congo Wars in the 1990's and early 2000's was that 250,000 were killed in 1996-1997 in First Congo War and no paid attention or cared. Which set the stage for the big Second Congo War; 1998-2003 est. 5.4 million killed and no one cared. The media didn't really seem to pay attention or care.

Throw in Israel fighting to protect themselves from all their blood thirsty neighbors who want to see a second Holocaust and suddenly it is the media and left becoming all concerned and attacking the Jews.
The Palestinians elected Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist group that wants to wipe The Jews off the face of the Earth.

The deathtoll is disputed and Hamas includes its soilders in with innocent civilian deaths. Isreal says 17 thousand + and Hamas who started this with a brutal assault were over 1,100 innocent and unarmed Israeli's were killed, and over 240 taken hostage, says over 40,000 but Israeli's number is probably more accurate.

Also Hamas and Hezbollah hide among civilians and force civilians to house their rockets, guns, bombs and other weapons and military equipment.
They also use hospitals, school's, Mosque's, and other civilian buildings.
Besides the houses of civilians.
They want dead Palestinian civilians so they gain sympathy from gullible fools,
who want to to blame this on Israel.

This war is the fault of terrorists and their backers who want to wipe out Israel. Not to mention the vast Hatred and Anti Semitic views held by most of it's neighbors, that keeps fueling this never ending, only periods of relative peace in the region; Usually after Israel was forced to beat the shit out of it's enemies.
 
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Four teenage asylum seekers arrested after girl, 15, allegedly raped at school in Dover


"aLl rEfUgEEs wElCOmE" - Daft bints from safe, upper-middle class white enclaves that are (yet) unaffected by this shit.
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I am now becoming aware of this horrible issue going on Across The Pond. Do know of any sites where I can get more info on all these disgusting degenerate rape gangs.

I image that the far left is trying to hide the problem and/or minimize it.

We had various Drug Cartel's sending their members here and unfortunately
The UK is having a huge issue with refugee rape gangs and other problems.
 
Jnowhere said:
I am now becoming aware of this horrible issue going on Across The Pond. Do know of any sites where I can get more info on all these disgusting degenerate rape gangs.
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It pops up on the MSM sites sometimes, but more often than not you have to go to twitter or elsewhere. Naturally the British establishment just want to turn a blind eye to it, given that they're all degenerate nonces themselves.
 
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It pops up on the MSM sites sometimes, but more often than not you have to go to twitter or elsewhere. Naturally the British establishment just want to turn a blind eye to it, given that they're all degenerate nonces themselves.
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Yea because its a nonsense far right conspiracy theory which is why you only find it on twitter lmfao
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Yea because its a nonsense far right conspiracy theory which is why you only find it on twitter lmfao
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Wait, is Reuters far right?

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www.reuters.com

WHAT HAPPENED IN THE UK GROOMING GANGS SCANDAL?​

A report in 2014 made a conservative estimate that more than 1,400 girls were sexually exploited in the town of Rotherham between 1997 and 2013. Many were already known to local services because they were in care or had been subject to neglect.
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The report said the majority of known perpetrators were of Pakistani heritage and that in some cases local officials and other agencies had been wary of identifying ethnic origins for fear of upsetting community cohesion, or being seen as racist.
An investigation into similar cases in Oldham criticised police and the local council but said they had not discovered a cover up.
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www.rotherham.gov.uk
 
It's been going on for over a decade. There are plenty more articles like these

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someguyontheinternet said:
Yea because its a nonsense far right conspiracy theory which is why you only find it on twitter lmfao
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The article I linked was from a MSM news source, and that is just one example. Pakistani muslim rape gangs is not a far-right conspiracy, it is an acknowledged fact.

Try saying that with a straight face to any of the thousands of affected families in this country and you'd be leaving with no teeth.
 
I read it. And, it does mention that this one area apparently had a problem with a Paki group but it also mentions...

11.2 As has been stated many times before, there is no simple link between race and child sexual exploitation, and across the UK the greatest numbers of perpetrators of CSE are white men.

Just go to "11. Issues of Ethnicity" (duh)
It also mentions that plenty of non-white children were molested.

Which jives with the government's report on it.

Beyond specific high-profile cases, the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending. Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White.4 Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations.5 However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending.This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.6 During our conversations with police forces, we have found that in the operations reflected, offender groups come from diverse backgrounds, with each group being broadly ethnically homogenous


 
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brokedownpalace10 said:
Beyond specific high-profile cases, the academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending. Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly White.4 Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations.5 However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending.This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.6 During our conversations with police forces, we have found that in the operations reflected, offender groups come from diverse backgrounds, with each group being broadly ethnically homogenous


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What is this in reference to ?
 
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This is great and all, but it only works if the other party has an open heart as well otherwise it is naïve and asking to be exploited. As we can see all across the EU, as we can see just yesterday in Munich in Germany or throughout the entire month of January in Sweden.

Tolerance without discernment is suicidal empathy, because there are those who will see it as a weakness and try to exploit it. You have to take things as they are, and if you just look at what the Palestinian's are saying/doing (and many Islamic followers elsewhere) they clearly are not on the same wavelength as 'tolerance'.

If you want to talk about tolerance, tolerance would look like the Islamic Middle East going "Hey, you know what? We have tens of thousands of square miles of land, Islamic land, let's just let the Jews have their tiny slice of land by the sea and let's draw a line under this and get on with life already".

The irony is that these people won't even tolerate the Palestinian's in their own lands, though that really is just an excuse to keep the tensions high because ultimately again it boils down to hatred of Jews and they'd rather the Palestinian's suffer than ever see Israel 'win' in their eyes.
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Trauma on an individual and group level is detrimental to empathy. This occurs in both the traumatizer, and the traumatized (perpetrators and victims) as well as in bystanders. Further, the only solution is recovery from trauma which requires someone to accept that it's occurring and will likely continue to occur even when it's not intended. This causes a self-perpetuating cycle called repetition compulsion which is further exacerbated by a decreased understanding as to "why" the other side does what they do, instead only focusing on whatever behaviors are undesirable.

Further fueling this is the fact that we are fairly good at recognizing individual psychopathologies, and decent at family systems that are pathological, but downright awful at understanding non-family/group level psychopathologies. Group trauma is very poorly accepted, let alone acknowledged or understood, even though the crafters of the DSM will readily admit (and have in trainings I've been in with them) that we're bad at this.

It's why white racists and BLM people are both mad about the same things, and really actually would agree with what they see as wrong with the system, but are often very unlikely to find common ground when expressing outrage. Instead, they turn on one another because it's the more readily understood enemy rather than the system which is the actual cause of the trauma. This response occurs even when both groups with recognize that systems issues are at fault, not individual issues.

A classic example of this happening in real time:
someguyontheinternet said:
Classic case of cherry picking and twisting words to fit a predefined conclusion
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and to be clear @someguyontheinternet - I'm highlighting this because you and I are very likely to deal with the same general views about things (we tend to see eye to eye) and thus you know I probably wouldn't attack you on belief principle. It's also to show that we're really really bad at recognizing when we might be giving into our own biases around new information or opposing views, which causes this divide to increase.
 
There was probably a Paki gang running this ring in this area and there was a huge stink about that fact.

In this particular area, it is likely that it was a majority of Paki perps although they victimized Paki and other minority children as well.

There was not a rampant problem across the UK of Paki child molestors.
 
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