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"The three-step extraction process starts with finely ground premium cannabis flower that is sent through a large series of tubes and heated to perfect vaporization temperature in just a few seconds. The vaporized cannabinoids are then cooled using a recirculated water system, transforming them into a fine mist. In the next step, the suspended cannabinoids are pulled back to liquid form using an electrostatic precipitator, resulting in a high-quality, solventless full-spectrum concentrate."



ChatGPT:

Here's an explanation to help clarify:

1. Warm Cannabis Vapor as a Gas: When cannabis is heated to vaporization temperatures, cannabinoids and terpenes are volatilized, turning into a gas. At this stage, the vapor is not a "mist" in the traditional sense but rather a collection of gaseous molecules dispersed in the air.

2. Cooling to Form a Fine Mist: When this vapor is cooled, the gaseous cannabinoids begin to condense back into liquid form. The cooling process causes the individual gas molecules to lose energy and cluster together into tiny liquid droplets suspended in the air. This is what they describe as a "fine mist."


Key Point

The transformation into a "fine mist" happens during condensation. Before cooling, the cannabinoids exist as vapor (gas), but after cooling, they form microscopic liquid droplets suspended in the air—a phenomenon consistent with mist formation.


The use of an electrostatic precipitator in the extraction process described is key to efficiently collecting and condensing the vaporized cannabinoids into a liquid form. Here's a more detailed breakdown of how this step works:

1. Formation of Suspended Cannabinoids (Mist)

• After the cannabis is vaporized and cooled into a fine mist (as you mentioned earlier, this is condensation where gaseous cannabinoids form tiny droplets), the cannabinoids are now in a suspended state, floating in the air or within the cooling chamber.

• The mist is a combination of very fine liquid droplets of cannabinoids and terpenes, suspended in the air due to the cooling process.


2. Electrostatic Precipitation

The electrostatic precipitator (ESP) is a device that uses electrostatic forces to capture these suspended particles.

Here's how it works:

• The mist particles (cannabinoids and terpenes) are charged, either positively or negatively, using an electrostatic field created by the precipitator.

• These charged particles are then attracted to oppositely charged plates or surfaces within the system, similar to how dust particles are attracted to a charged surface. This is because opposites attract in electrostatic processes.

• The process effectively "pulls" the suspended cannabinoid particles out of the mist, causing them to stick to the collector surfaces (which may be plates or mesh that are part of the electrostatic precipitator).


3. Collection and Liquid Formation

• Once the suspended cannabinoid particles are deposited on the collection surfaces (often charged plates or other types of conductive material), they may begin to accumulate into a more liquid-like form due to their condensed nature.

• The collected particles (now in a liquid form) are gathered and can then be drained or scraped off the plates for use. This forms a concentrated extract that is full-spectrum, meaning it retains a broad range of cannabinoids and terpenes from the cannabis plant.


4. Resulting Full-Spectrum Concentrate

• The electrostatic precipitation process helps to maintain a high-quality, solventless extract, meaning no harsh chemicals or solvents are involved, which preserves the natural profile of the cannabis.

• The extract is typically rich in cannabinoids (such as THC, CBD) and terpenes, offering a potent, flavorful, and pure product with all the compounds in their natural state.

• This "full-spectrum" nature means that the extract will likely provide the entourage effect, where all the cannabinoids and terpenes work together synergistically, enhancing the overall therapeutic or recreational effects.


5. Advantages of This Method

• Efficiency:
The electrostatic process is efficient in separating the fine cannabinoids from the air and ensuring a high yield.

• Purity: Since it's a solventless method, there's no need for chemicals, making it a cleaner product.

• Full-Spectrum: The method retains a wide range of cannabinoids and terpenes, leading to a more natural and robust concentrate.

• Environmentally Friendly: The lack of chemical solvents makes the process cleaner and more environmentally friendly compared to traditional extraction methods like CO2 or butane extraction.


In Summary

The electrostatic precipitator works by using electrical charges to attract and collect the suspended, condensed cannabinoids from the mist. This results in a high-quality, solventless full-spectrum concentrate that contains a potent mix of cannabinoids and terpenes from the original cannabis material. It's a precise, efficient, and environmentally friendly way to produce a refined cannabis extract, preserving the plant's natural compounds without the need for solvents.
 
Finally a type of reading we don't enjoy all too often around here!!

It makes a lot of sense to refer to using only a fraction of the « energy consumption of CO2 extraction », while the idea of having no solvent flavors involved, as combined to an absence of vegetal starch & sugar (...), sounds equally great, but... Then it ends up with going back to a liquid concentrate form via some "precipitator" and hence the killer question which follows is going to be about consumption methods & associated ritual(s).

Personally i'd think this technology's real advance resides in its release/transport phase avoiding secondary/tertiary heat transformation (denaturation) coupled to a significant rationalization of the global energy budget. This sure offers a seducing solution to autonomous duration in terms of battery-charge cycles for pocket types of vaporization, but still lacks health-wise « HR » features designed to promote alternative habit models, away from monster clouds and dosing abuse.

:unsure:

IMO dame Nature's trichome glands free micro-packaging shows the way to pro-cannabis lifestyles delivered from the usual THC "tolerance" trap, by suggesting a most convenient convection-compatible release/transport format, based on emulation of trichomes exactly.

Induction heat demonstrated its potential in forensic laboratories since JAI's 1969 patented Curie Pyrolizer achieving a 764 °C raise in only 0.2 seconds using 1 of their 21 "PyroFoils" ranging from 160 to 1040 °C, which could prove useful both during the preliminary release/transport phase performed by industrials, then at home via a convective IH heat source. The main obstacle being a need to fight with liquid blobs when vapour deposition on a simili trichome substrate would make a lot more sense, at least to me.

I've tagged this type of heating « micro-bursting » long ago and recognized its enormous potential observing that it simplifies materials selection a great deal, because only tiny objects with little contact surface are targeted, while the rest remains relatively cool. As a result i can imagine using an affordable heat-resistant material to implement artificial trichome heads on which to deposit a fine layer of noble molecules extracted as suggested here. Besides purity we'd be allowed to expect uniform micro-dosing release that finally promotes some transition to a consumption method & ritual focussed on features other than the « buzz » alone, away from tolerance build-up models while giving access to a new level of aroma/taste appreciation. Etc., etc.

So that's good news considering the present trend seems to aim for an opposite direction, e.g. now setting the energy budget at 3250 joules for the Vestratto Tornado, which is also representing a real risk of accidental burns after requiring some large IH driver (or kitchen-size torch...) simply rendered unsuitable to fit in a pocket as a result of such designer strategy.

In comparison a strip of polyamide shaped to optimize convective heat penetration would sustain an energy burst while providing metered dosing in a potentially recyclable/jetable format. All it takes is a little fair bit of desire for progress, contrary to the 2014 onusian FCTC/COP6 report concocted in Moscow/Russia - which just celebrated it 10 years anniversary, with only catastrophic results to remind us as one might add...

Good day, have fun!! ☮️
 
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Idk, it's interesting but I would never trust a chat gpt explanation of anything i intended to consume. It's not really the point of the thread but that Ai shits horrifying
 
This....would...be....a huge waste of time and energy. Oh and money too.

FECO is super easy and cheap. If done correctly you'll render about 98.6% of cannabinoids and terpenes.

KISS
 
Anybody a member of Future4200? Someone should post this on that forum; I just searched it and it hasn't been posted there.
 
A) future4200 is the truth.

B) gron is a company that my dispensary passed on a couple diff times because their products are kinda bullshit and not what they say on the lable. Hell, my best friend works for them and even they admit it, lol. Ffs, their 'made with rosin' products list co2 distillate and ethanol extracted terps under their ingredients
 
Anybody a member of Future4200? Someone should post this on that forum; I just searched it and it hasn't been posted there.
The culture of that forum is somewhat hostile towards new extraction methods. They've had a lot of buffoonery going around pertaining to it, similar to the homebrew lean community with all the gatekeeping, fake SOPs, etc. Future4200's fiasco with the "blue diamonds" cracks me up to this day.

I'll always appreciate novel ideas for things, there's always the inherent chance of value in them, and this post is a great example of that. It was a good swing at it, and little matters more than taking those shots, even if they don't pan out. I've worked with extractions here and there, and many friends are professional cannabis chemists. The method described by OP is likely wasteful and requires more energy per extraction than is necessary. I also suspect that many of the steps would have transfer losses that would discourage any economically minded extractionist from using this technique.

Nonetheless, if it was tested and proven via something like mass spectrometry to extract cannabinoids with a novel profile, perhaps targeting something like CBDp better in the few plants that grow them, that could likely spiral into an economically viable option as CBDp already costs quite a bit, due to its capacity to be isomerized into both Δ8 THC-P as well as Δ9 THC-P.
 
« ...criticize ideas, not people... »

Hummm... That may sound tight for some individuals but i wouldn't call this "hostile". Too bad though i couldn't determine this resource's mission from a clear statement, yet while searching through their "topics" page i couldn't but notice an elevated amount of referrals to all things volating this simple rule of mine:

To follow « The Shortest Path of Lesser Transformation ».​

Well, it gave me hope for a couple minutes.
 
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