US Senate Subcommittee Finds Covid19 was Lab Made

[ShulginsReincarnation]

There was a Repug politician who said that older Americans would be happy to die for the economy.
You might remember the reports of how it was in NYC before we began mitigation. 10X more people dying might be accurate.
10 X 1.3 million is 13 million.

I'm not talking about rumors, I'm talking about grieving friends.

Maybe the next virus will only affect younger Americans. That would be an interesting thing, to see how that goes.

There were quite enough brainwashed teenagers and young adults running around believing lies this past time.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

The fact that people’s scientific “opinions” (among laymen that shouldn’t have opinions yet shaped the whole response like Rogan) matter one iota when they are not scientists; shows how pathetic America is and how stupid it is.

If each of these assholes daughter was having heart surgery 100% of the time they are taking the advice of the guys that went to a woke lib university to get a woke transgender medicine degree MD; to do the heart surgery; NOt some random guy with zero college education that says he’s a “self taught” “self made” god gifted heart surgeon on Craigslist.

Virology is vastly more complex than heart surgery also.

People are incredible stupid to politicize this. Covid made me realize how stupid people indeed are. I hadn’t witness such mass stupidity first hand until it came along.

People are so utterly incapable of admitting when someone in the room knows more than them. It’s that simple and it’s sad AF.

 

[-=SS=-]

People are incredible stupid to politicize this. Covid made me realize how stupid people indeed are. I hadn’t witness such mass stupidity first hand until it came along.

Works both ways. The politicians and establishment politicized it themselves, by attempting to censor and block out anyone [of a scientific background] from challenging the mainstream narrative. Masks and the vaccines are just two examples of that during Covid.

Blindly deferring to authority, especially authority that does not honour the spirit of scientific enquiry whilst simultaneously telling you to 'follow the science' (their interpretation of science), is far worse than coming up with your own opinions on the matter. At least the layman is trying to think, whereas the blind adherent to the establishment is just allowing others to dictate their thinking for them. Which party is really the stupid one? The believer or the thinker?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe

 

[Bagseed]

Out of the thousands of people I know... That's a pretty low death rate. Less than .1%

of the "thousands of people you know", how many are you actually in touch with in such a way that you would even be informed about their passing? and what is the demographic of this set of people? if you are young yourself and more likely to know people of your age group, that puts another bias in place. @brokedownpalace10 is a senior citizen and might have had a very different experience than you.

also, it is common that the experience of one inividual doesn't exactly match the overall statistic. in a similar fashion, there are people who know more people who died from covid than the statistics might suggest they "should".

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

of the "thousands of people you know", how many are you actually in touch with in such a way that you would even be informed about their passing? and what is the demographic of this set of people? if you are young yourself and more likely to know people of your age group, that puts another bias in place. @brokedownpalace10 is a senior citizen and might have had a very different experience than you.

also, it is common that the experience of one inividual doesn't exactly match the overall statistic. in a similar fashion, there are people who know more people who died from covid than the statistics might suggest they "should".

I am in regular contact with those thousands of individuals whose age, ethicity, national origin, etc is as varied as a box of assorted chocolates is in its offerings. So, considering the fact that I know Sr. citizens who agree with my stance just the same, I can reasonably argue that @brokedownpalace10 is just whining because he feels the need to do so to get attention like the rest of the crybabies did during covid. Just my experience.

But, yes, everyone's situation leads to different experiences and takes on things.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I can reasonably argue that @brokedownpalace10 is just whining because he feels the need to do so to get attention like the rest of the crybabies did during covid. Just my experience.

Lol. Are you saying that I'm making it up that a friend died? That friend's of friend's died? How about my girlfriend's cousin being in the hospital? Just whining to get attention? Just things I mentioned which corresponded to what the medical experts were saying at the time. It's not required by me that you believe me.

I know the virus disrupted your life and that's rough for you. But I'm not whining, just telling you what happened to me.

I was one of the lucky ones, I turned 65 during lockdown and could retire early with Medicare. I did have to take a cut, but I survived more easily than some.

BTW, you know thousands of people? In person? You social butterfly.

According to Johns Hopkins, the US had a case mortality rate of 1.1% across all age groups as of 2023 when the virus was already getting less virulent and we had had a vaccine for a while. The US was top in first world, developed countries in deaths.

Often people will quote a population mortality rate, which is pretty ridiculous for rating a virus's virulence.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Works both ways. The politicians and establishment politicized it themselves, by attempting to censor and block out anyone [of a scientific background] from challenging the mainstream narrative. Masks and the vaccines are just two examples of that during Covid.

Blindly deferring to authority, especially authority that does not honour the spirit of scientific enquiry whilst simultaneously telling you to 'follow the science' (their interpretation of science), is far worse than coming up with your own opinions on the matter. At least the layman is trying to think, whereas the blind adherent to the establishment is just allowing others to dictate their thinking for them. Which party is really the stupid one? The believer or the thinker?

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe

It’s not that.

I preface this by saying that I don’t blame people for being skeptical because the second Covid was announced I said “watch companies and billionaires Use this to rob us blind.” Which they did to the tune of 4 trillion and millions of destroyed businesses. So I can see where the “trust no authority” sentiment comes from. But they wouldn’t have to trust or distrust anyone if they were scientifically literate; but they are so those were their choices

But people let their rage about that confuse and mix with what is a purely technical issue.

It’s that American laymen (yes American laymen In particular) are too stupid to for the scientists to say to them “we don’t understand this entirely so let’s be overly cautious” because People are so scientifically illiterate and spoiled they expect science and medicine to either cure everything instantly or none of it is real. Zero in between

Americans have a deeply rooted self hatred also for beng so intellectually stunted. More than half the country is illiterate. Most 3rd world countries have higher STEM literacy than the US. Americans see their kids living with them in their 40s and delivering for Amazon while doctors and scientists are all Asian. Ppl realize this.

As a defense mechanism they will automatically hate anything that comes from the mouths of educated scientists, especially if it’s telling them to do something.

Our combination of privilege and illiteracy isn’t found anywhere on earth so it makes for a unique response.

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

Lol. Are you saying that I'm making it up that a friend died? That friend's of friend's died? How about my girlfriend's cousin being in the hospital? Just whining to get attention? Just things I mentioned which corresponded to what the medical experts were saying at the time. It's not required by me that you believe me.

I know the virus disrupted your life and that's rough for you. But I'm not whining, just telling you what happened to me.

I was one of the lucky ones, I turned 65 during lockdown and could retire early with Medicare. I did have to take a cut, but I survived more easily than some.

BTW, you know thousands of people? In person? You social butterfly.

According to Johns Hopkins, the US had a case mortality rate of 1.1% across all age groups as of 2023 when the virus was already getting less virulent and we had had a vaccine for a while. The US was top in first world, developed countries in deaths.

Often people will quote a population mortality rate, which is pretty ridiculous for rating a virus's virulence.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

I will answer you in sequential order: No, I never said you made up that a friend/friend of friend died. Or someone being in the hospital. Yes, I again will say you are just whining to get attention, and I will add its annoying as fuck. As far as what the "experts" were saying, there seemed to be a very diverse range of things that were being said. Your "experts" were media personalities; you should be fucking embarrassed.

The virus didn't disrupt my life. I carried on just the same. You're whiny as fuck.

You were lucky, good for you.

Yes, I know 1000s of people. I am an extrovert and directly worked with the public for over half a decade.

I find it interesting that Hopkins got a mortality rate of 1.1% especially considering the number of positive tests compared to the number of people who died being dramatically lower than this; so, this is not exactly reflective of the reality we saw is it? Or maybe you live in the television where the media fooled you and you friends into believing inflated numbers and horse shit lies.

As far as the mortality rate of the population versus what I just explained... Well, yeah, that's going to be an even lower percentage of people because not all of us were dumb fucks and tested ourselves for a cold.

Good day to you Sir.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I will answer you in sequential order: No, I never said you made up that a friend/friend of friend died. Or someone being in the hospital. Yes, I again will say you are just whining to get attention, and I will add its annoying as fuck.

I was simply contrasting my friend's and my experience with the experience of 20 and 30 year olds that I had discussions with and comparing that with the data on mortality rates by age group. Sorry if those happening to correlate sounded whiney to you. Could you tell me which parts sounded as if I was whining for attention?

Yes, I know 1000s of people. I am an extrovert and directly worked with the public for over half a decade.

And you specifically asked each one of the folks you interacted with in your service job, thousands of them, how many people they knew who were affected badly by Covid? You must have been a joy to speak with indeed.

I find it interesting that Hopkins got a mortality rate of 1.1% especially considering the number of positive tests compared to the number of people who died being dramatically lower than this; so,

Now, that's is interesting. For informational purposes, could you please cite where you got this particular data from (as I did). I do know Johns Hopkins adjusted for multiple tests in individual cases, as of course one would do.
I'll be interested to review this data. Thanks.

 

[Bagseed]

And you specifically asked each one of the folks you interacted with in your service job, thousands of them, how many people they knew who were affected badly by Covid?

for real.... I mean they can have their opinion but this is just bullshit... :D

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

I was simply contrasting my friend's and my experience with the experience of 20 and 30 year olds that I had discussions with and comparing that with the data on mortality rates by age group. Sorry if those happening to correlate sounded whiney to you. Could you tell me which parts sounded as if I was whining for attention?

The part where you mentioned that people who are older die more frequently. That's part of life. Deal with it.

And you specifically asked each one of the folks you interacted with in your service job, thousands of them, how many people they knew who were affected badly by Covid? You must have been a joy to speak with indeed.

No, but the general consensus was that there was a flu going around. People who worked in local hospitals were talking about how the news reports were not matching patient levels, and that they themselves hadn't seen anyone die of covid. Some major complications initially, yes. But no actual deaths from covid19. And, the hospitals did not have covid patients when the news was claiming the "numbers were skyrocketing" because restrictions were loosened. It was all an act, and so without having to directly ask people like an ass clown would (such as yourself,) I definitely heard enough talk from a wide enough range of people to get the gist of what was happening in a wide range of social circles. All said essentially the same: they wanted to believe in it happening, but the inconsistencies couldn't be ignored.

Now, that's is interesting. For informational purposes, could you please cite where you got this particular data from (as I did). I do know Johns Hopkins adjusted for multiple tests in individual cases, as of course one would do.
I'll be interested to review this data. Thanks.

Tell me you have no social life without telling me you have no social life. We all fucking saw the knob heads posting their positive tests online constantly and malingering as if someone gave a flying fuck they got a cold/flu. And, furthermore, there is no study proving conclusively that the case mortality rate is 1.1% (John Hopkins even admits that their study presented flaws/limitations.) So fuck off. Thanks.

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

for real.... I mean they can have their opinion but this is just bullshit... :D

You fuck off as well. Facts aren't opinions.

 

[Bagseed]

You fuck off as well. Facts aren't opinions.

yeah and you saying you have close personal contact to "thousands of people" isn't facts, it's just laughable.

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

yeah and you saying you have close personal contact to "thousands of people" isn't facts, it's just laughable.

Okay, how about I got introduce you to all of them then in that case?

Just because you have no fucking life doesn't mean others of us don't just the same.

 

[Bagseed]

lol just stop. anyone knows it's not possible to have that many people one is actually close with.

or do you think anyone you had a two minute interaction with a year ago is a friend?

 

[Bagseed]

I definitely heard enough talk from a wide enough range of people to get the gist of what was happening in a wide range of social circles

ok that's a decent backpedaling from "I know thousands of people and how the pandemic affected them personally" :D

do you know what statistics is and what it's used for?

 

[Electrum1]

The numbers were clearly inflated by having high cycle thresholds on the tests, like a 40 day cycle. The inventor of the tests said anything even in the 30's is useless. Just tons of false positives

Then that guy in Florida that died in a motorcycle accident and tested positive so it counted as a covid death, lol

 

[brokedownpalace10]

The part where you mentioned that people who are older die more frequently. That's part of life. Deal with it.

And, there it is. Throw grandma under the bus so as to not inconvenience you. Or, as has been said in a famous work of fiction, "Let them die, and decrease the surplus population." I kinda knew that was your attitude a few posts back.

No, but the general consensus was that there was a flu going around. People who worked in local hospitals were talking about how the news reports were not matching patient levels, and that they themselves hadn't seen anyone die of covid.

That's kinda weird. I have a good friend who is also my physical therapist who might disagree. He even leans in your direction a bit and only got the very first vax's. However, the hospital he works from had a floor dedicated to Covid patients and it overflowed onto other floors at the height of the spread. They ran short on ventilators and were asking for any spare CPAP machines anyone might have as an inferior substitute. When I was able to start going to PT again, they still had the Covid floor blocked off on the elevator and signs saying it was off limits. Steve was very aware of the reality of the virus.

I guess the refrigerated morgue trucks outside of hospitals in major cities were also a clever ruse to fool the population.

I guess you can always find someone who will say something, though.

Tell me you have no social life without telling me you have no social life.

Lol. I guess I'm a hermit since I don't have "thousands of friends", or even thousands of people I interviewed in my service job.

We all fucking saw the knob heads posting their positive tests online constantly and malingering as if someone gave a flying fuck they got a cold/flu.

That's your proof? That's what you posted as "the reality you saw" as opposed to "being fooled by media"?? Wow.

And, furthermore, there is no study proving conclusively that the case mortality rate is 1.1% (John Hopkins even admits that their study presented flaws/limitations.) So fuck off. Thanks.

Johns Hopkins will admit the possible flaws in their rigorous study, unlike you possibly pointing out the the flaws in presenting people's posts online as proof of anything.

Death counts have been verified or even shown as likely underreported by the difference in excess deaths. Again, not perfect, but the claim that the survival rate was "99.9999%" is spider poop.

But really, the main point to me, the reason myself and one million Americans retired early is...

It's as I thought.

 

[tryptakid]

There was a lot of harm the came about because of CoVID. None of us were the reason why that harm came to be, we were all just caught in the crosshairs of collateral. Let's remember that when we're discussing these developments.

Having worked in healthcare throughout the pandemic with patients who were often sick, I can say that there was a lot of uncertainty as to what we were facing day-to-day, week-to-week. For the most part, we all just did the best we could to navigate this stuff as friends, family members, patients, and colleagues, were getting sick and in some cases dying. I lost several people directly and indirectly during the pandemic, and the emotional toll that came about in its wake has been even more vexing. The virus's long term impacts seem to suggest that it will have lasting neurological effects on those who suffered even minor infections.

I think about my nephew who was a few months old when he first caught CoVID in 2020. Born under isolation with only 1 visitor allowed in at a time. He has some social delays that emerged within the first year, and have evolved into his now 4th year: behavioral challenges, as well as sensory integration difficulties that are starting to show up. Are these things a result of his first year or two being filled with people talking with masks on (during a time where infants begin to learn communication through visual cues)? Are these things neurological effects from CoVID exposures during his first couple of years of life? Could his social anxieties be a result of a drastically reduced exposure to unfamiliar people during his first year of life? Or, are these simply things that would have happened regardless? How do you parse that out? His younger sister, born after the pandemic had abated, seems to have less of the initial indicators that anything is unusual. Was she spared?

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

And, there it is. Throw grandma under the bus so as to not inconvenience you. Or, as has been said in a famous work of fiction, "Let them die, and decrease the surplus population." I kinda knew that was your attitude a few posts back.

That's kinda weird. I have a good friend who is also my physical therapist who might disagree. He even leans in your direction a bit and only got the very first vax's. However, the hospital he works from had a floor dedicated to Covid patients and it overflowed onto other floors at the height of the spread. They ran short on ventilators and were asking for any spare CPAP machines anyone might have as an inferior substitute. When I was able to start going to PT again, they still had the Covid floor blocked off on the elevator and signs saying it was off limits. Steve was very aware of the reality of the virus.

I guess the refrigerated morgue trucks outside of hospitals in major cities were also a clever ruse to fool the population.

I guess you can always find someone who will say something, though.

Lol. I guess I'm a hermit since I don't have "thousands of friends", or even thousands of people I interviewed in my service job.

That's your proof? That's what you posted as "the reality you saw" as opposed to "being fooled by media"?? Wow.


Johns Hopkins will admit the possible flaws in their rigorous study, unlike you possibly pointing out the the flaws in presenting people's posts online as proof of anything.

Death counts have been verified or even shown as likely underreported by the difference in excess deaths. Again, not perfect, but the claim that the survival rate was "99.9999%" is spider poop.

But really, the main point to me, the reason myself and one million Americans retired early is...

It's as I thought.

@tryptakid said we aren't allowed to talk to each other....