🌿 Herbs & Supplements 🌿 I am attempting to quit Kratom again. I wanted know what are some supplements suggested to look into, to ease the transition while still working etc?

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

TL;DR - What are some recommened supplements or remedies to be able to successful go through a quitting taper of kratom while still having a sort of handle on your life and its activites (work, school, etc)?

Hello everyone, I hope you’re all doing well. This is my first post on this forum, so I apologize if I accidentally break any rules. I started using kratom after a medical procedure that led me to take opiates. I wanted to move away from those, and I found kratom. Unfortunately, I soon began using it every day for much longer than I intended. Over time, my body became used to it, and it started to feel like a normal part of my life.



I’ve noticed that I’ve become emotionally numb(depression also played it's part) and lost interest in things I used to enjoy. Although I wasn’t as worried as I probably should have been, deep down I knew I needed to stop using it. After a long time with kratom, I’ve developed more anxiety and, a couple of years ago, I began experiencing intense paranoia. I’ve found ways to cope, mainly by trying to distract myself, but it still causes me a lot of mental pain and self-doubt. I read that others have faced similar issues, which confirmed I needed to quit.



Letting go is definitely tough but I believe it’s doable. However, I’m worried about what the days and weeks after will be like. I know the paranoia might get worse, and it’s hard to stay motivated. I’d like some advice on how to taper off kratom while still managing to live my life, work, and take classes. I understand that I might need some time for this, but I’m sure there are others who have found a way to balance everything while quitting.



I came here because I appreciate the focus on harm reduction and the supportive community. I’ve been reading posts about supplements that can help with the process and the feelings that follow. I’ve tried quitting before, but the heightened paranoia brought me back to using. I want to replace the negative additive habits i develop out of feelings with positive feelings(optional lol) and healthier activities with personal growth. I know this journey takes time, and it was tough to learn that it can take years for the brain to heal, but I am grateful a place like this exist, as we can speak to each other, learn and educate ourselves, read and connect via shared experiences, and ask for help when crying during late night insomnia, and even give back even if it just a shared story or moment. It’s scary to feel so vulnerable, you will feel during these times and your emotions are so strong that you want to find a sense of community or hope by speaking to others knowing and recovery each other to the version of ourselves we each plan to become.

 

[pnillyg]

depends if you want to Cold Turkey or taper but need to know how much you’re taking in what form

 

[pnillyg]

I’m in the same boat by the way.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

Hello there, I am sorry I didn't see your reply till i logged in now. To answer you I am attempting to taper by lowering it slowly as my method was the typical T&W. I have been taking amounts so far that lie within 20-30 GPD. I have been lowering it so far and will see what happens, atm I am purchasing supplements that I can. Thank you for your reply, and i hope your journey has been going well. What method are you going by and how is your plan so far, first time or again like many of us?

 

[Quasimoto]

I would highly recommend:

Black Seed Oil - This potentiates kratom a bit, helps with the anhedonia, and makes you crave less. Great for tapering.

Magnesium Taurate - Helps with muscle pain and RLS. Great overall supplement. Other forms of magnesium will help too, but I find the taurine conjugate to work the best. I would avoid magnesium glycinate, though.

L-dopa - Helps with RLS a lot, but only use this when you really need it, because tolerance develops rapidly. Only use this after you completely stop, or late during the taper.

Vitamin C (high doses) - Helps a lot, I generally use about 5000mg x3 per day.

NAC - This can be very useful during the taper. It helps some of the symptoms, acts as a mood stabilizer, but also blocks much of the euphoria from kratom, so you will be less inclined to break your taper process. It can cause some issues on it's own if taken long term, so I would cycle it.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

Thank you for your reply!
I was looking into black seed oil, and something called Agmatine as well, thank you.
I am still informing myself to take care on how I go about this, may I ask why would you say avoid the Mag Glycinate? I only ask as i have been using that one (found it was less on the stomach).

Thank you again, I have NAC but did not know I could use it in that way as well, I have some reading to do, thank you for taking the time to share what you can about these supplements and their relation in going about this method!

 

[Quasimoto]

Agmatine is also good. I have used it with great success from benzo/alcohol withdrawal. It should help with kratom as well.

may I ask why would you say avoid the Mag Glycinate?

It gives some people, including myself, really bad side effects like anxiety and dissociation. However, if you already use it without that reaction, then it's completely fine. It will be just as effective as magnesium taurate.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

Agmatine is also good. I have used it with great success from benzo/alcohol withdrawal. It should help with kratom as well.


It gives some people, including myself, really bad side effects like anxiety and dissociation. However, if you already use it without that reaction, then it's completely fine. It will be just as effective as magnesium taurate.

Thank you, i appreciate that, I will start and see what happens overtime.

Is it okay if I update my progress here or if I have any follow up questions?

 

[paltatomate]

Is it okay if I update my progress here or if I have any follow up questions?

Of curse it's okay to update your progress here, and to ask questions. You started the thread, consider it yours.

 

[pnillyg]

I would highly recommend:

Black Seed Oil - This potentiates kratom a bit, helps with the anhedonia, and makes you crave less. Great for tapering.

Magnesium Taurate - Helps with muscle pain and RLS. Great overall supplement. Other forms of magnesium will help too, but I find the taurine conjugate to work the best. I would avoid magnesium glycinate, though.

L-dopa - Helps with RLS a lot, but only use this when you really need it, because tolerance develops rapidly. Only use this after you completely stop, or late during the taper.

Vitamin C (high doses) - Helps a lot, I generally use about 5000mg x3 per day.

NAC - This can be very useful during the taper. It helps some of the symptoms, acts as a mood stabilizer, but also blocks much of the euphoria from kratom, so you will be less inclined to break your taper process. It can cause some issues on it's own if taken long term, so I would cycle it.

Is there a form or brand of black seed oil you suggest? I got capsules and they kill my stomach… maybe i should try the oil?

 

[Quasimoto]

Is it okay if I update my progress here or if I have any follow up questions?

Of course, we would love to help.

Is there a form or brand of black seed oil you suggest? I got capsules and they kill my stomach… maybe i should try the oil?

Walmart brand liquid oil worked for me. The taste is unpleasant, but I never had any major issues. I usually took 3-5ml per dose.

Not actual Walmart brand but whatever the main brand they have there is called. I forgot. Yellow label. "Spring Valley" or "Nature Made"?

 

[BadassMoFo]

Black Seed Oil - This potentiates kratom a bit, helps with the anhedonia, and makes you crave less. Great for tapering.

Can you or anyone else provide more info on dosing with capsules and are they as good as the straight oil?

 

[Quasimoto]

Can you or anyone else provide more info on dosing with capsules and are they as good as the straight oil?

1000mg capsule = 1ml oil

I think they should be equivalent in strength, but from what I've read people tend to get better results from the oil.

Thymoquinone is the main active ingredient you are seeking.

 

[helpingout]

Here is the master list in order of importance

DLPA- has the most profound overall benefit by providing building blocks of dopamine
Magnesium - helps with restless legs and stress
Liposomal vitamin C - helps with everything
Vitamin D- helps with the PAWS depression
L-theanine - helps with stress by providing immediate calm take more than recommended like 300 mg
ashwaghanda - regulates cortisol levels which are going to be going haywire
Multivitamin - helps with everything
B-complex- get that shit out of your system faster and have energy in the fucking mire of post opiate life
Iron— helps with not having been eating right if that was the case for you

This may be just me but I also keep really fuxked up hot chilis on hand. If you rub them on your gums and oral mucosa they can release super potent endogenous endorphins like opiorphine which will give you a solid twenty minutes of relief. Mmmmmmm pain

Speaking of pain.

Go get your ears acupunctured. Just tell them it’s for heron or opiate detox. Maybe placebo sure but placebo works 50% of the time if you believe the placebo will help

under the advice of your doctor
Good comfort meds
Gabapentin - 1800 mg is used by Iranian doctors but this is unprecedented in the us but I found it worked for heron withdrawal
Clonidine - never tried it but I’ve heard good things
Don’t know anything about the dosage
A benzo- helps with the sleeping. Don’t use it for anything else.

If you can find the strength. Begin light exercise as soon as possible. Endorphins really help.

Remember that you’re going to be hopeless. You’re going to be sad. You’re going to have to rebuild your life, your coping mechanisms, and your reward system from scratch. No one can do this for you. Rehab can help if you’re afraid you can’t bear the weight. You’re stronger than you think. But everyone needs help.

If you’re going to relapse it’s time to consider MAT
I’d rather see you on methadone than see you curled over in the street scratching your bones through a xylazine sore

I’d rather see your teeth fall out from suboxone usage than see you with the smile the mortician chose for you because fent took you from us.

I’d rather see you at the Smokeshop buying kratom having decided to give kicking another try later.


I’m a college graduate. It took me longer to make the decision to quit using opiates and even longer to quit than it took me to earn a four years degree; and that took me seven years.

I’m speaking from experience.

I know you can do it.

Take time away from work if you need to.

I’ll borrow from something u told my friend Anthony

“ hope you can make it past the really hard stuff. Picture yourself in the park. Lying on a big blanket. Little charcuterie. A person you love. It’s a beautiful day for a picnic in the park. You didn’t have to wake up and dose. You don’t have to run to the bathroom and dose. You don’t need to dose first thing when you get home. That’s what you’re quitting for. Not so much your family or the possibility of an OD. But because you deserve to have that freedom to just be alive, to just be happy, and to have no obligation to some receptors in your brain. But like you said, not OD ing is really important and I get that. But what I really wish for you is the freedom that comes with taking some time away from this chemically dependent life that it seems has not been so gratifying given the health troubles you’ve faced with overdoses.”

Or just being sick and tired of using.

All I know is when you get everything right again. Being sober feels kind of good.

Let me tell you where I’m at today.

It was hot. I could feel it. The wind was cool. I could feel that. No golden blanket hiding me from experiencing the world. I drive with the windows down getting dopamine from music. I’m happy. I worked for nine hours. I talked to my best friend. I felt joy.

That isn’t to say I didn’t feel sadness. Look up my post before this one. The point is. There is sweet with the bitter. And I did something good for someone today even though it took a lot out of me.

Now I’m writing this for you, for Anthony, for myself, for everyone who like me wanted to quit at home : e it for pride or arrogance or for a belief in the indefeatable nature of our human spirit.

I know you can do this.
If you’ve quit before and relapsed.
I know you can do this again
Good luck. God speed.

May the gods smile upon you
Perhaps you will smile back.

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

Hello all, I'm still looking/adjusting up the dosing for the Black seed oil and Agmatine, so far my stomach reacts strangely to the black seed oil, As for the taper, I've been trying to lower it, and its lower, but I find that when I feel any aches or weakness, that I'm wanting to take more to feel baseline. I have made it paramount to not have any more around myself, and are going to start timing myself, and distracting myself to not think about it so much. It's strange I knew that I had pushed too far and potential side effect, but I was surprised by how it nonetheless, I believe I'm taking the agmatine and BS at the wrong times but will adjust. The only difficult part is the paranoia I had never faced it at this intensity, I will make strides to adapt and not let it get me, but i think it's getting more difficult, I know it sounds weird, but having a 24/7 after thought, make everything you do and seem to be the worst thing in the world, and have that wherever you go is what made me come back to it in the first place. Yet now I know it is something I will have to deal with over time. Honestly, I can't change the past, but I wish I were never Rx'd an opiate in the first place, hope everyone is well. Will have a better follow up when doing better, thank you.

 

[helpingout]

Hello all, I'm still looking/adjusting up the dosing for the Black seed oil and Agmatine, so far my stomach reacts strangely to the black seed oil, As for the taper, I've been trying to lower it, and its lower, but I find that when I feel any aches or weakness, that I'm wanting to take more to feel baseline. I have made it paramount to not have any more around myself, and are going to start timing myself, and distracting myself to not think about it so much. It's strange I knew that I had pushed too far and potential side effect, but I was surprised by how it nonetheless, I believe I'm taking the agmatine and BS at the wrong times but will adjust. The only difficult part is the paranoia I had never faced it at this intensity, I will make strides to adapt and not let it get me, but i think it's getting more difficult, I know it sounds weird, but having a 24/7 after thought, make everything you do and seem to be the worst thing in the world, and have that wherever you go is what made me come back to it in the first place. Yet now I know it is something I will have to deal with over time. Honestly, I can't change the past, but I wish I were never Rx'd an opiate in the first place, hope everyone is well. Will have a better follow up when doing better, thank you.

Dude you should check out my post that I linked. It’s literally exactly what you need. But for quitting kratom or any opiate you really need to take some time off work. At the bare minimum three days. Pro tip. Kratom increases withdrawal intensity up to date 6 then there’s a turn around period where intensity lessens up to date 14 when the actual kick is done. But then you’ll deal with sadness for about two months. Ask me anything. And read the post!

 

[RepeatedIgnorance2c-74]

Dude you should check out my post that I linked. It’s literally exactly what you need. But for quitting kratom or any opiate you really need to take some time off work. At the bare minimum three days. Pro tip. Kratom increases withdrawal intensity up to date 6 then there’s a turn around period where intensity lessens up to date 14 when the actual kick is done. But then you’ll deal with sadness for about two months. Ask me anything. And read the post!

Hello, My apologies I know it has been sometime, but after seeing your suggestions and doing some thinking I have decided to attempt to let go again, i finally was able to find a timeframe to be away from everything, in order to go through the initial days. I do have a question, how long does it take for the mental fog to essentially disappear? Also im worried about the intense emotions and paranoia that will ensue, and was wondering what your experience has been, when you did this yourself? Thank you i will check out your post and hope all has been well, thank you!!

 

[fairnymph]

I would highly recommend:

Black Seed Oil - This potentiates kratom a bit, helps with the anhedonia, and makes you crave less. Great for tapering.

Magnesium Taurate - Helps with muscle pain and RLS. Great overall supplement. Other forms of magnesium will help too, but I find the taurine conjugate to work the best. I would avoid magnesium glycinate, though.

L-dopa - Helps with RLS a lot, but only use this when you really need it, because tolerance develops rapidly. Only use this after you completely stop, or late during the taper.

Vitamin C (high doses) - Helps a lot, I generally use about 5000mg x3 per day.

NAC - This can be very useful during the taper. It helps some of the symptoms, acts as a mood stabilizer, but also blocks much of the euphoria from kratom, so you will be less inclined to break your taper process. It can cause some issues on it's own if taken long term, so I would cycle it.

Topical magnesium is even better. It’s the best way to absorb magnesium. If you have a bath putting a few pounds of Epsom salts or magnesium chloride bath salts is ideal (as much as you can tolerate without it stinging your skin uncomfortably although you should still feel somewhat of a tingle). If you don’t have a bath, you can still make a concentrated solution with either type of magnesium salt and apply it topically. But I find it difficult to absorb as much as I need that way. Even if I slather my whole body, I need to reapply it more than once a day.

 

[fairnymph]

Hello all, I'm still looking/adjusting up the dosing for the Black seed oil and Agmatine, so far my stomach reacts strangely to the black seed oil, As for the taper, I've been trying to lower it, and its lower, but I find that when I feel any aches or weakness, that I'm wanting to take more to feel baseline. I have made it paramount to not have any more around myself, and are going to start timing myself, and distracting myself to not think about it so much. It's strange I knew that I had pushed too far and potential side effect, but I was surprised by how it nonetheless, I believe I'm taking the agmatine and BS at the wrong times but will adjust. The only difficult part is the paranoia I had never faced it at this intensity, I will make strides to adapt and not let it get me, but i think it's getting more difficult, I know it sounds weird, but having a 24/7 after thought, make everything you do and seem to be the worst thing in the world, and have that wherever you go is what made me come back to it in the first place. Yet now I know it is something I will have to deal with over time. Honestly, I can't change the past, but I wish I were never Rx'd an opiate in the first place, hope everyone is well. Will have a better follow up when doing better, thank you.

Always take black seed oil on a full stomach. And it’s best to spread it out into 1 tablespoon (max) three times daily. One big dose of oil, especially black seed oil is rough on the GI track. Also, if you can get a brand of black seed oil with a higher percentage of thymoquinone, then you don’t need to take so much. Bionatal makes one that’s 5-10x stronger than the average black seed oil. Crazy potent stuff.

 

[fairnymph]

Hello, My apologies I know it has been sometime, but after seeing your suggestions and doing some thinking I have decided to attempt to let go again, i finally was able to find a timeframe to be away from everything, in order to go through the initial days. I do have a question, how long does it take for the mental fog to essentially disappear? Also im worried about the intense emotions and paranoia that will ensue, and was wondering what your experience has been, when you did this yourself? Thank you i will check out your post and hope all has been well, thank you!!

Depends on how long you’ve been using for. The mental fog disappears within the first few days for me, so almost immediately (although I have never used kratom, I’m referring to morphine based opiates). The intense emotions largely calm down after about a week, but can potentially take months to fully settle, because of PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome).