US Senate Subcommittee Finds Covid19 was Lab Made

[ShulginsReincarnation]

I don't know about arresting in the UK, but we were certainly spying on people (both domestically and foreign) using GCHQ and military units; regular people, and also including journalists and any prominent sceptics.

Next time around though they undoubtedly will, given the language being used by Tedros (WHO), Gates, Blair, and other assorted wankstains. 'Misinformation' is becoming the new Al-Queda.

There were many arrests in the UK for breaking the lockdown rules, but all cases later were dismissed from what I heard. I actually watched a man talking his way out of getting arrested by police too on video when they tried to do so for keeping his shop open.

When I was in the UK during what was still a lockdown (don't ask how I got in and I won't tell..) there was a terrifying police presence. Most were nice, but one particularly gave me and bad vibe when we spoke. Then, the people handling the covid test checks at the airport were VERY stringent compared to most other countries I passed through with ease during my travels. So, I can easily imagine bad things happening there to people questioning the authorities.

I was and still am in contact with people who were a part of the resistance to it all so I have seen and heard lots of things both legitimate and also false after some looking into things. Some of the things were quite bad like the police water canoning protesters in Germany for example. And the police ignoring medical exemptions in Australia even with a man's licensed doctor on the phone. Rumors were spreading about doctors having their license revoked for going against the narrative there even which isn't too difficult to believe for me after what all I saw. I do know a women personally who was arrested there for protesting. She was in the news, so yes, arrests did happen.

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

ok. but that's not the claim.

he explicitly said "people getting arrested for even questioning the vax".

alasdair

Yes, idk about that but I know (personally) people arrested for protesting which is against their constitutional rights. This is the largest complaint, widespread violations of constitutional rights which leads people to believe they aren't worth the paper these documents are written on.

 

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There were many arrests in the UK for breaking the lockdown rules, but all cases later were dismissed from what I heard. I actually watched a man talking his way out of getting arrested by police too on video when they tried to do so for keeping his shop open.

When I was in the UK during what was still a lockdown (don't ask how I got in and I won't tell..) there was a terrifying police presence. Most were nice, but one particularly gave me and bad vibe when we spoke. Then, the people handling the covid test checks at the airport were VERY stringent compared to most other countries I passed through with ease during my travels. So, I can easily imagine bad things happening there to people questioning the authorities.

I was and still am in contact with people who were a part of the resistance to it all so I have seen and heard lots of things both legitimate and also false after some looking into things. Some of the things were quite bad like the police water canoning protesters in Germany for example. And the police ignoring medical exemptions in Australia even with a man's licensed doctor on the phone. Rumors were spreading about doctors having their license revoked for going against the narrative there even which isn't too difficult to believe for me after what all I saw. I do know a women personally who was arrested there for protesting. She was in the news, so yes, arrests did happen.

The police were beyond overzealous in several nations from what I remember:

- UK: Bashed peaceful lockdown protestors in central London, despite peaceful protest being a legal right. I saw this more than once on livestreams. Then they went limp on BLM which was a few weeks later, incredible double standard.
- Netherlands: They bashed a lot of peaceful lockdown protestors. Saw this in livestreams, and there's a newspaper photo of them sicking a police dog on a guy.
- Australia: I think these were the worst in terms of brutality. I saw them pepper spray a women, on the ground, at point blank. She could have been blinded. Police using a rifle butt to the ribs of one guy on the floor. Police firing rubber rounds. One police man grabbing a woman by the throat outside some supermarket for not wearing a mask.
- Canada: These were the most insidious I think i.e. the trucker protests and de-banking.

It's very easy now to understand how something like Nazi Germany can happen. I never understood it when I was younger, and I've seen many other people say exactly the same thing. I think there's a portion of the human population who are morally defective, who, if given the right circumstances, will do the most heinous things. The Milgram experiment, basically. When I was younger I just assumed everyone else was the same, that a moral sense was pretty ubiquitous across the board.

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

The police were beyond overzealous in several nations from what I remember:

- UK: Bashed peaceful lockdown protestors in central London, despite peaceful protest being a legal right. I saw this more than once on livestreams. Then they went limp on BLM which was a few weeks later, incredible double standard.
- Netherlands: They bashed a lot of peaceful lockdown protestors. Saw this in livestreams, and there's a newspaper photo of them sicking a police dog on a guy.
- Australia: I think these were the worst in terms of brutality. I saw them pepper spray a women, on the ground, at point blank. She could have been blinded. Police using a rifle butt to the ribs of one guy on the floor. Police firing rubber rounds. One police man grabbing a woman by the throat outside some supermarket for not wearing a mask.
- Canada: These were the most insidious I think i.e. the trucker protests and de-banking.

It's very easy now to understand how something like Nazi Germany can happen. I never understood it when I was younger, and I've seen many other people say exactly the same thing. I think there's a portion of the human population who are morally defective, who, if given the right circumstances, will do the most heinous things. The Milgram experiment, basically. When I was younger I just assumed everyone else was the same, that a moral sense was pretty ubiquitous across the board.

Yes, you saw what I saw as well. I had people I knew in each of these regions aside from NL and several others who were involved in the protests as I mentioned. So, I am well aware of these atrocities. I am still friends with many of these individuals to this day, and I actually am very much so still in touch with the organizers of various activist protests in Norway and Denmark which may or may not be because I consider these places home (btw Scandinavia was probably the most reasonable about all of the restrictions and lockdowns and such; Sweden really never closed technically, and Denmark repeatedly tried to open back up and led the way for the world to do so when they reopened the final time in 2021 when the health authorities proclaimed omicron and beyond to be the same as a cold. However, the slaughter of the minks because the government claimed they were spreading covid to humans will never be forgotten...)

I agree with your take that being said... Absolutely barbarbic the way people acted. As if they couldn't even think for themselves because fear had disrupted their brain's ability to do so... all was very well ochestrated... So bad...

 

[Deleted member 521610]

sure we can. we can invite those making such claims to substantiate them with evidence.

if claims are true, that should be quite straightforward.



can you substantiate this with evidence?

in many, if not most, states, arrest records are public so links to a couple of arrest records of individuals arrested for "questioning the vaccine" should suffice.

thanks.

alasdair

In other countries it happened not america.

 

[alasdairm]

i didn't say anything about america.

can you post some examples of people being arrested for questioning the vaccine.

thanks.

alasdair

 

[Deleted member 521610]

i didn't say anything about america.

can you post some examples of people being arrested for questioning the vaccine.

thanks.

alasdair

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international...rrest-for-nearly-a-year-over-vaccine-defiance

A family has been under house arrest in Tokelau for almost a year after they refused to get vaccinated against Covid-19.

The tunoa was imposed on the family of four by the Taupulega, or council, on Nukunonu, one of the three atolls that make up Tokelau.

hard to find anything anymore on the internet as the governmetns scrubbed it clean and deleted all the data on arrests during covid 19

 

[alasdairm]

im not saying that their local authority's vaccine mandate is right or wrong but...

that's not an example of somebody being arrested for just questioning the vaccine.

alasdair

 

[JackARoe]

Wow, I can see people getting arrested by some overzealous cops. I am sure in the US some people got fined if they opened up their store. But to arrest for not taking the vaccine in the US would cause a litigious avalanche I would imagine. People sue in the US over everything. I leaned that when I moved to Ontario as there is less litigation over things that people get dragged to court in the US for.

At the end of Nov and beginning of Dec in 2019. I was up in Canada, took my FIL to doctors and casino, came home and got a funny chest cold with cough and a fever. A month later we first hear of Covid. I had not been sick in years. I don't really get sick. But I slept for a week and felt better. But I also heard that covid did not come to the states until Jan of 2020 to which I call BS. If it got out of a lab it was before the end of 2019. So that alone is suspicious. If someone told me that I could have had just a regular chest cold a month before I would laugh. Because the covid test would show that right? Those covid tests probably show any virus as covid.

I have not been sick since with anything. Took the first vaccine and said screw the second. Booster my ass. Was a nothingburger to me. If I thought they were pumping fluoride in me I would have to take a few mushroom trips to counter the getting dumb. lol

I say the same thing I did. The virus is too small to actually trace back or follow. Nothing would surprise me though. But if this was let out a lab then the person that did that should be arrested, unless there is a bigger conspiracy behind that. Ok er... I will stop now.

It would be good if someone can outline to point/counterpoints by number. I have no real opinion on the origins, I just know at the beginning of Dec 2019 I was sick with whatever this virus was. The last time I was sick before that was 2012 with a minor case of the sniffles.

I am going to go back and read some posts again to see if I can come up with the bullet points.

 

[alasdairm]

But to arrest for not taking the vaccine in the US would cause a litigious avalanche I would imagine.

right. but that's not his claim.

he explicitly said "people getting arrested for even questioning the vax".

plus he said it didn't happen in america. i'm not sure it happened at all...

alasdair

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

right. but that's not his claim.

he explicitly said "people getting arrested for even questioning the vax".

plus he said it didn't happen in america. i'm not sure it happened at all...

alasdair

I mean I am not sure about China. I have heard mixed things that may or may not have happened there. I heard they were initially locking people in their homes and letting them die if they suspected they had the virus. Again, not sure how true this is but it is China... so...

 

[alasdairm]

it was a pretty simple claim and, if it's true, supporting it with evidence should be reasonably straightforward.

alasdair

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

it was a pretty simple claim and, if it's true, supporting it with evidence should be reasonably straightforward.

alasdair

Well sure, I agree and I also admit sometimes I "misspeak" as the politicians can often be quoted as having said about things they say like the politician in California that made the VERY clear statement that he thought it best the government be allowed to "go into people's homes to round them up" if they were suspected of having the virus so they could be forced into quarantine camps. He then maybe somewhere between a day to a week later can be quoted as having said he "misspoke" and just meant that contact tracing was good or some bullshit.

Anyway, maybe this person "misspoke" okay? Maybe they are embarrassed to admit it. I, myself, hate having to reword my statements because I say something just slightly off which is why I did my best to try and hopefully clarify what they actually meant for them. If I did poorly, then they can feel free to correct me instead. Its easier on people to correct others than themselves sometimes you know what I mean??

You know what else? Like another respondent said in the above, while I know what I just said happened because I VIVIDLY recall both being in the news two seperate times (first when it was said, then when I looked it back up and found he later retracted his statement as having "misspoke,") I can't find the article because its been scrubbed from the internet (go figure.)

I also recall when I was in grade 10, the school I attended had riots and they tased a bunch of students while I was skipping class because they were causing issues over the new security protocols (cameras and security guards) which was highly opposed as this was in a ghetto where I grew up where crime rates were (and still are) exceptionally high and the students didn't want to deal with the new security measures. This was definitely in the news papers locally and later on the internet, but was later scrubbed from the internet as well due to (I assume) bad publicity for the local government who all citizens KNOW is corrupt.

So, these things do clearly happen and I can't call the person out for not having a source as a result. Also, as someone else said, the media called anyone protesting the lockdowns terrorists in the USA or something too (and that was FOX News which largely OPPOSED the lockdowns themselves until they didn't I guess...) which allowed for there to be massive abuses against human rights under the guise of national security in that country for example. The lockdowns were lifted globally about 8-12 months after that happened, and suddenly everyone "forgot" that this happened aside from those of us who suffered the ill effects of such false claims by the media and government. Why would the media later tell the truth openly and transparently thereafter? I'm just making more points to help defend the person why made the claim, but ultimately it may well be a false claim (we don't really know...)

 

[alasdairm]

i hear and agree with much of what you say here.

Anyway, maybe this person "misspoke" okay? Maybe they are embarrassed to admit it. I, myself, hate having to reword my statements because I say something just slightly off which is why I did my best to try and hopefully clarify what they actually meant for them. If I did poorly, then they can feel free to correct me instead.

if they can correct you, they can just as easily correct me

sadly, we live in a so-called post-truth world. and, believe me, the irony of this is not lost on me one bit.

your comment - "we can never be too sure if reports such as yours are or are not more accurate than official reporting" - struck me, because i think we can. and i think it's straightforward.

some people see being asked to substantiate a claim as some kind of personal attack. they go on the defensive. to me, being asked to substantiate a claim i make is a good thing - it means people are doing me the courtesy of listening to what i am saying and they're giving me the chance to demonstrate its veracity. who wouldn't jump at a a chance like that? it urns out a lot of people. mileage varies.

this was posted recently:

There is enough to talk about not voting for Trump without having to make things up, don't you think?

and i totally agree. there is enough to talk about - across a whole host of current events and politics - without having to make stuff up. but it still happens. and it seems to happen an awful lot which is the fuel for my initial response to tripsitter.

not a little ironically, the context of this quote is that c_k was accusing me of making stuff up but i was happy to substantiate it (and, on this occasion, vindicated).

alasdair

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Another word for misspeak would be misinformation and it does grow in the retelling.

There is so much Covid misinformation out there and people are so very convinced of it that I am weary of it and usually don't play anymore. I do think that at least part of it was purposely spread so we would forget about Trump's crazy mismanagement of it.

Some facts.
About 1.2 million Americans died from, not "with" Covid, they would have lived years longer without it. America had the most deaths in the developed world.

The risk of death started in your 40's and was still mild then. Ramped up in your 50's. And, the virus got scary when you got to your 60's. That's with no comorbidities. I was 65 at the time and was hoping for at least 20 more years, thank you.

Diabetes and high blood pressure (High blood pressure was the most common "comorbidity", look it up) run in my family. I'm 69 now and have not gotten them although the numbers are creeping up. I've already put them off 20 years based on my family history by taking care of myself. They will eventually get to me, even with stringent self care. Wait till you're 60-70. I'll bet the great majority of you have "comorbidities".

Anyway, it is very easy to convince people in their 20's and 30's that it was a hoax. Politicians have them convinced that older folks are the root of their problems now anyway (OK boomer). That way they don't see the politician's hands in their pocket.

It's amazing how some folks will believe there was a conspiracy requiring thousands of people to pull it off without one real leak of proof (moon landing anyone), but not believe that politicians or foreign governments spread BS on the internet.

 

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Anyway, it is very easy to convince people in their 20's and 30's that it was a hoax. Politicians have them convinced that older folks are the root of their problems now anyway (OK boomer). That way they don't see the politician's hands in their pocket.

Conversely it also very easy to terrify people who are older and therefore more anxious about their health and mortality.

Also, it wasn't the young people who were forcing care home residents on to end-of-life pathways prematurely, plying them with Midazolam and other respiratory supressing agents, and forcing them to stay cooped up in care homes with visitation rights rescinded. It still upsets me when I think about that, the number of elderly people in care homes who were restricted from physical contact with family and who passed without a final physical goodbye. It also upsets me when I think about the funerals where they made people sit apart.

It also upsets me when I think about the permanent psychological damage that was done to babies, infants, and toddlers, through the use of masks and general isolation.

Those measures were not health measures. Those measures were anti-human mockery by psychopathic cunts who have absolutely no morality or essence left in their hollow bodies.

It's amazing how some folks will believe there was a conspiracy requiring thousands of people to pull it off without one real leak of proof (moon landing anyone), but not believe that politicians or foreign governments spread BS on the internet.

This is an assumption. Aside from the fact that numerous military programs staffed by thousands of people over the decades i.e. Manhattan Project, Blackbird spy plane, etc, were operated without any problem. Military compartmentalization is exactly how you would pull something like this off, and knowing a few psychological techniques of course.

I don't believe it required thousands in the know. I'm sure people like Matt Hancock had been told in hush-hush tones that this was all funny business, for example, but that doesn't mean he would have known the full picture. Compartmentalization operates in a way where you know all you are deemed required to know, and not the whole picture.

This is also not factoring in the dynamics of hysteria, and also mass belief too. It's not like if, let's say there were a conspiracy.. they weren't having to push a boulder uphill, right? I mean everyone 'knows' that viruses are bad, was taught about the Spanish flu, has experienced some degree of illness themselves or witnessed others having it. You have the groundwork in the minds of the public all ready to go, it's not like you are starting from scratch. We've had decades of reinforcement, with HIV, SARS, Swine flu and all the rest. And when I say public, we're also talking about the politicians, the civil servants, the scientists, everyone has come up through this system of belief, see?

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Conversely it also very easy to terrify people who are older and therefore more anxious about their health and mortality.

One individual I know died and another was quarantined in the hospital touch and go, unable to see her family face to face, labored breathing. She did recover. She still has mild long Covid, it was severe for about a year.
There were a at least a few friends of friends who passed. We are all in our bubble of friends, etc. and they are all near our age.

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

One individual I know died and another was quarantined in the hospital touch and go, unable to see her family face to face, labored breathing. She did recover. She still has mild long Covid, it was severe for about a year.
There were a at least a few friends of friends who passed. We are all in our bubble of friends, etc. and they are all near our age.

Its interesting how the only people that seemed to be affected by covid were the ones who believed in it...
Obviously it was contagious and could kill people, but the massive health issues the lockdowns and mandates caused coupled with the economic recoil that occurred definitely was worth letting 10x more people die so that billions of people didn't end up scared for life. Record high numbers of suicides in children ffs. Not worth it at all.
And, again, I know/knew LOTS of people and knew one person who was rumored to have died of it. Out of the thousands of people I know... That's a pretty low death rate. Less than .1%

 

[SeekingOblivion]

Conversely it also very easy to terrify people who are older and therefore more anxious about their health and mortality.

Also, it wasn't the young people who were forcing care home residents on to end-of-life pathways prematurely, plying them with Midazolam and other respiratory supressing agents, and forcing them to stay cooped up in care homes with visitation rights rescinded. It still upsets me when I think about that, the number of elderly people in care homes who were restricted from physical contact with family and who passed without a final physical goodbye. It also upsets me when I think about the funerals where they made people sit apart.

It also upsets me when I think about the permanent psychological damage that was done to babies, infants, and toddlers, through the use of masks and general isolation.

Those measures were not health measures. Those measures were anti-human mockery by psychopathic cunts who have absolutely no morality or essence left in their hollow bodies.


This is an assumption. Aside from the fact that numerous military programs staffed by thousands of people over the decades i.e. Manhattan Project, Blackbird spy plane, etc, were operated without any problem. Military compartmentalization is exactly how you would pull something like this off, and knowing a few psychological techniques of course.

I don't believe it required thousands in the know. I'm sure people like Matt Hancock had been told in hush-hush tones that this was all funny business, for example, but that doesn't mean he would have known the full picture. Compartmentalization operates in a way where you know all you are deemed required to know, and not the whole picture.

This is also not factoring in the dynamics of hysteria, and also mass belief too. It's not like if, let's say there were a conspiracy.. they weren't having to push a boulder uphill, right? I mean everyone 'knows' that viruses are bad, was taught about the Spanish flu, has experienced some degree of illness themselves or witnessed others having it. You have the groundwork in the minds of the public all ready to go, it's not like you are starting from scratch. We've had decades of reinforcement, with HIV, SARS, Swine flu and all the rest. And when I say public, we're also talking about the politicians, the civil servants, the scientists, everyone has come up through this system of belief, see?

What they did in the nursing homes is a crime that should never be forgotten. But it already is. In Yiddish there is a word. Shanda.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Obviously it was contagious and could kill people, but the massive health issues the lockdowns and mandates caused coupled with the economic recoil that occurred definitely was worth letting 10x more people die so that billions of people didn't end up scared for life. Record high numbers of suicides in children ffs. Not worth it at all.
And, again, I know/knew LOTS of people and knew one person who was rumored to have died of it. Out of the thousands of people I know... That's a pretty low death rate. Less than .1%

There was a Repug politician who said that older Americans would be happy to die for the economy.
You might remember the reports of how it was in NYC before we began mitigation. 10X more people dying might be accurate.
10 X 1.3 million is 13 million.

I'm not talking about rumors, I'm talking about grieving friends.

Maybe the next virus will only affect younger Americans. That would be an interesting thing, to see how that goes.