US Senate Subcommittee Finds Covid19 was Lab Made

[brokedownpalace10]

- Did it come from an experimental lab, and are governments around the world experimenting with viruses? Yes.

And, they're not even sure about that. At first, scientists said it did not come from a lab. Now, new evidence has been presented and scientists are saying it's a possibility. That's why they're scientists. They use the scientific method which will always revise their conclusions as new evidence is presented.

Science is wrong sometimes, but their success percentage is thousands of times better than pre-science. And, science came up with the shiney things we're all typing this on, so there's that. (As an aside, more scientists still think it likely didn't even come from a lab. But' they're all admitting the possibility now)

Great post, Quasi. Don't take this as argument, please. People in this thread read likely just the headline and are acting like the possibility that this virus escaped from a lab proves that it was a bioweapon, proves that Bill Gates was involved, all the cra cra shit.

I think that the reason this virus lent itself to the cra cra theories is the dramatic difference in virulence depending on your age. If you were 20 years old then your bubble of friends was mostly your age and you didn't see or hear of a lot of death. Probably not at all and you wondered what the fuss was about. I was 65 when Covid hit and I knew one person that died and one who was touch and go in the hospital under quarantine for a week. She was breathing assisted for a short time and couldn't see relatives face to face as she feared her death. We were all calling and talking on the phone, worried to death about her.

Shit was real. Remember how people talked about hearing ambulances constantly in New York City when it first hit there and a response wasn't formed yet?

When I finally got it, after the vaccine, and with Paxlovid available, I was deathly ill. Couldn't breath the first night and was near going into the hospital. Finally got Paxlovid in me and that alleviated enough for me to sleep for 15 hours and wake up with what felt like the worst flu I ever had.

Could our response have been different? Sure. Was the shit real? Yup.

 

[Quasimoto]

Another thing is that even if it did come from a lab, it doesn't necessarily mean it was for malicious purposes or being weaponized. We study viruses for a number of reasons. But China being China, I wouldn't be surprised either way. Covid-19 variants already existed in animals for millions of years, it was just not transmissible to humans. The question is, how did a strain of it mutate to be able to infect humans? Lab experimentation?

One could conjecture that China's EXTREME response to it in their own country was evidence they knew more than we did about it's origins. Do you remember that? Man... that one picture of them rounding up people's house pets in huge nets, just throwing dozens in a giant bag while they were still alive, and then taken off to be euthanized, still breaks my heart. Probably one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Another thing is that even if it did come from a lab, it doesn't necessarily mean it was for malicious purposes or being weaponized. We study viruses for a number of reasons. But China being China, I wouldn't be surprised either way. Covid-19 variants already existed in animals for millions of years, it was just not transmissible to humans. The question is, how did a strain of it mutate to be able to infect humans? Lab experimentation?

One could conjecture that China's EXTREME response to it in their own country was evidence they knew more than we did about it's origins. Do you remember that? Man... that one picture of them rounding up people's house pets in huge nets, just throwing dozens in a giant bag while they were still alive, and then taken off to be euthanized, still breaks my heart. Probably one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

Sure. The "findings" by the Republican House Committee in the OP doesn't even claim that it was bioweapon research. Just that it was viral research. If that is proven true (even if not, actually), it just means that we need more care and controls on such research. Bill Gates isn't chipping us.

It really gets me when people rant and rave about "the scientists" and how they don't know shit. Look around you, man. Look at the shiny cell phone, the TV with internet, the wall sockets with electrical power at your beck and call, etc., etc..

 

[Foreigner]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

If it didn't come from nature then it was human made. Those are the only two options.

 

[Foreigner]

I thought it was well known that it came from a lab years ago? Wasn't patient zero was some dude who just happened to live right next to a Chinese experimental lab?

It was strongly suspected in the scientific community and many talked about it, but most of us were called conspiracy theorists by the stupid, ignorant public for saying so. I knew since 2021 that it was a lab leak because the first people who turned up at the hospital in China with this illness were lab workers, months before it hit the western world. Some of the world's leading virologists also published papers saying that some of the viral sequences could not have been a result of natural selection.

It was obvious, but never officially admitted.

How does that prove any other of the nonsense conspiracies?

Which conspiracy theories are you talking about?

This has been my criticism of all these tinfoil hat people the whole time.


There are several isolated conspiracies that may or may not be true... but when you start connecting dots that don't connect and weave this insane spider web of one giant globalist conspiracy, it loses all credibility and starts to sound very silly.

- Did it come from an experimental lab, and are governments around the world experimenting with viruses? Yes.
- Did big pharma push out vaccines and lobby for mandates in order to financially profit from vaccines that may not have been totally safe or required for everyone? Yes.
- Did corpos like Amazon lobby the government for mandated lockdowns so they could profit? Yes.

I don't understand how you can poo poo these things like "oh well the government was experimenting with gain of function to make viruses more deadly." Say what?

Fauci gave tax payer dollars to EcoAlliance who funded the Wuhan Lab to do research in a facility with staff who weren't qualified to maintain a Level 5 lab; research that resulted in a virus which got unleashed on the world, yet that same type of research is officially illegal in the US and most western nations.

Then they locked down our society, created health mandates, and caused a wide variety of other societal ills, ruined the economy, traumatized the public, and then pushed a highly profitable product on us. All while claiming they didn't know where it came from WHEN THEY FUCKING KNEW ALL ALONG.

What is wrong with you???

- Was it designed for population control or to intentionally kill people? No.

You can't say that definitively. The vaccinated have a higher rate of comorbidity now. There are enough unvaccinated people that we have a good control group to base this on. The background death rate is 25 times higher in both the US in Canada post-pandemic. The chance of heart attack and stroke in young people who got vaccinated is significantly higher.

The Pfizer data that was released under court order shows that they knew about a lot of these side effects but worked hard to downplay or bury them, which was why the courts had to force them to tell us about it.

Myocarditis, stroke, nerve damage (especially bell's palsy), peripheral neuropathy, the list goes on... all at significantly higher levels in the Pfizer data than they told the public about.

And if you got injured by this shot there was no recourse and most health professionals wouldn't even report your ADR.

There is so much criminal negligence. I absolutely believe it is depopulation at worst, or simply unbridled greed and power grabs at best.

- Did it turn your blood into mush, rearrange your DNA, or make you magnetic? No.

It does cause massive blood clotting and aggregates of proteins, immune cells and clotting factors. It's a side affect in many people and post-mortem analyses are showing this.

It doesn't rearrange your DNA but we now know that the artificial mRNA can reverse transcribe into human DNA when the cell is replicating and the nuclear envelope is gone, exposing nuclear DNA.

- Did they all work in tandem to create one giant conspiracy orchestrated by the deep state alien lizard cabal? No.

What an absurd statement.

If you want to make a mockery of things, fine... don't couch it in a serious conversation.

 

[Foreigner]

Another thing is that even if it did come from a lab, it doesn't necessarily mean it was for malicious purposes or being weaponized. We study viruses for a number of reasons. But China being China, I wouldn't be surprised either way. Covid-19 variants already existed in animals for millions of years, it was just not transmissible to humans. The question is, how did a strain of it mutate to be able to infect humans? Lab experimentation?

This type of gain of function research is illegal in most developed nations, which was why Fauci outsourced it through a proxy.

There's no reason to do this research. There's no reason to splice sequences from viruses together, viruses that would have no contact with each other, to make new superviruses that nature would never produce. The claim that "we are studying what types of plagues are possible" is total bullshit.

GOF is illegal for a good reason... it could kill us all.

One could conjecture that China's EXTREME response to it in their own country was evidence they knew more than we did about it's origins. Do you remember that? Man... that one picture of them rounding up people's house pets in huge nets, just throwing dozens in a giant bag while they were still alive, and then taken off to be euthanized, still breaks my heart. Probably one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

This is probably the one point I agree with you on. China knew the dangers. Ironically they did not allow the mRNA vaccine into their country though. They knew what it was about. They created a whole-virus vaccine, which was more effective. But their measures against their population were draconian. Some people in the western world wanted to see that here. The whole thing was psycho. I hate what happened during the pandemic. I want to see the health authorities responsible along with the WHO and the crony lab connections all guillotined.

Their playing god and Machiavellian psycho games resulted in the deaths of millions of people. More than any modern war, more than any terrorist attack. They deserve to burn.

And NOTHING has changed. The labs are still there. They're still doing their shit (Wuhan, South Africa, Ukraine). It's possible that a lot of money laundering involved in the Ukraine war is going into biolab research over there. We can't audit it because it's a legal grey zone.

GOF research is suicidal. We would not tolerate countries experimenting with weapons of mass destruction on their people, yet it's okay to tinker with viruses and make them more lethal. It's psycho.

 

[Pickledlemons]

If it didn't come from nature then it was human made. Those are the only two options.

Okay you don't seem to understand. Why do you say it didn't come from nature, let me answer the question with what you've already said

The natural reservoir of COVID-19 was never found.

And to that I say, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.. therefore you can't just jump to 'those are the only two options'

If you were a scientist thats how it would work. If you're just some guy wanting to enforce his his preconceived notions, then you can say anything you want. But if you are actually interested in the truth then.... absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Thats very important. Otherwise, microorganisms didn't exist until there were microscopes.

 

[steewith2ees]

Fantastic. everyone is finally understanding that science needs questioning now that its allowed folk to deny the very principles that has given the majority of sceptics to do 'their own research', which in this day and age means reading things on the web, unlike mainstream science which in most cases needs a team to actually research something that may or may not support their hypothesis. The bonus for US healthcare profits is that most folk are still set on proving that Covid was a deliberate act to allow big pharma to make money, with the reality being that this has always been the case in the US being of no interest to anyone thankfully.

Good work....

 

[Quasimoto]

If you want to make a mockery of things, fine... don't couch it in a serious conversation.

Nothing about the following introductory post was indicative of a fully serious conversation. It was vague and short while obtusely proclaiming vindication of "everything they called a conspiracy" without you providing a shred of evidence.

Really? Everything? Some of the conspiracies revolving around covid, a fraction of which I mentioned in my post, were so ridiculous and unserious it was hilarious. You know them as well as I do. You were around in those old BL covid threads as well.

I was not intentionally making a mockery of things, other than the globalist bit by evoking David Icke who would love to talk about globalist agendas. I'll admit that.

However, I would consider "deep-state and globalist rot" about as unserious as "deep state alien lizard cabal". That's my honest opinion whenever I hear that phrase "globalist", and the conveniently never defined or identified "deep state". Sorry, I think dropperz ruined that one for me. Also, comparing Fauci to Bill Gates is very unserious and mockery in my opinion. Calling my other reasonable statements or opinions "absurd" is mockery in my opinion. It's all about perspective, innit?

And frankly, this is probably the most serious covid thread that we have had on BL if you compare it to the old ones.

It is not mockery when people question extreme conspiracies by comparing them to other extreme conspiracies, maybe don't bring them up and call all of them true without doubt. From my perspective, I added serious counter debate following this:

This pretty much vindicates anyone who was aware this was all a scam about power and control, organized by deep-state and globalist rot.

Turns out that everything they called a conspiracy was true.

 

[-=SS=-]

If it didn't come from nature then it was human made. Those are the only two options.

The third option, which as you know I believe, is that it doesn't exist. Whether that be from a perpetual scientific error and/or conspiracy is open for debate.

However, I would consider "deep-state and globalist rot" about as unserious as "deep state alien lizard cabal". That's my honest opinion whenever I hear that phrase "globalist", and the conveniently never defined or identified "deep state". Sorry, I think dropperz ruined that one for me.

Deep-state is a misnomer and probably another mocking term by the CIA; swamp (swamp gas?) being the other one. If the media uses those terms, then it's bullshit by default given that the media ties right back in to the government/state apparatus lol. But seriously, we have the term 'the blob' in the UK. In both cases, the concept implies a nationalistic conspiratorial grouping, as opposed to what is really going on which is a transnational conspiratorial grouping;

There was a Dutch MP I believe who stated recently that the covid response was coordinated by NATO in Holland. This is more accurate. What you have is primarily the [Anglo-American] military industrial complex and its connections to the military-intelligence apparatus, which also covers the Five Eyes nations. What we can't easily see are the personal relations between actors within this nexus, but it's an open secret that in London for example there is a revolving door between the military-intelligence apparatus, banking, accountancy, law, and the political circles - you literally have an ex-head of MI6 working for Shell BP.

I mean nothing in the above paragraph is really that wild or unbelievable. You have overlapping alignments and agendas, both on an industry level but also a personal level i.e. greed, beliefs about the need to maintain Western superiority, and all the rest. Is it so hard to envision this network and that it takes on a life of its own, a shadow-government of sorts, that self-perpetuates in much the same way as the political-cultural system does? I mean think how corrupt the politicians are. What do we think having access to offshore banking, weapons, classified technology, assassinations, etc, is going to do to people in that world? I mean we know about some of the CIA's operations, imagine what we don't.

Carroll Quigley wrote a massive book about the Anglo-American system, 'Tragedy and Hope'. There's another called 'Empire of the City' by EC Knuth that talks about the City of London, and its roles in just about every war for the past 200 years (and the Royals/British establishment connection). There is good information in both of those.

 

[Quasimoto]

Deep-state is a misnomer and probably another mocking term by the CIA; swamp (swamp gas?) being the other one. If the media uses those terms, then it's bullshit by default given that the media ties right back in to the government/state apparatus lol. But seriously, we have the term 'the blob' in the UK. In both cases, the concept implies a nationalistic conspiratorial grouping, as opposed to what is really going on which is a transnational conspiratorial grouping;

There was a Dutch MP I believe who stated recently that the covid response was coordinated by NATO in Holland. This is more accurate. What you have is primarily the [Anglo-American] military industrial complex and its connections to the military-intelligence apparatus, which also covers the Five Eyes nations. What we can't easily see are the personal relations between actors within this nexus, but it's an open secret that in London for example there is a revolving door between the military-intelligence apparatus, banking, accountancy, law, and the political circles - you literally have an ex-head of MI6 working for Shell BP.

I mean nothing in the above paragraph is really that wild or unbelievable. You have overlapping alignments and agendas, both on an industry level but also a personal level i.e. greed, beliefs about the need to maintain Western superiority, and all the rest. Is it so hard to envision this network and that it takes on a life of its own, a shadow-government of sorts, that self-perpetuates in much the same way as the political-cultural system does? I mean think how corrupt the politicians are. What do we think having access to offshore banking, weapons, classified technology, assassinations, etc, is going to do to people in that world? I mean we know about some of the CIA's operations, imagine what we don't.

Carroll Quigley wrote a massive book about the Anglo-American system, 'Tragedy and Hope'. There's another called 'Empire of the City' by EC Knuth that talks about the City of London, and its roles in just about every war for the past 200 years (and the Royals/British establishment connection). There is good information in both of those.

Definitely a plausible theory and articulated definition. Probably the most thorough I have ever seen.

 

[Foreigner]

Okay you don't seem to understand. Why do you say it didn't come from nature, let me answer the question with what you've already said



And to that I say, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.. therefore you can't just jump to 'those are the only two options'

If you were a scientist thats how it would work. If you're just some guy wanting to enforce his his preconceived notions, then you can say anything you want. But if you are actually interested in the truth then.... absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Thats very important. Otherwise, microorganisms didn't exist until there were microscopes.

They found SARS1 (in 2003) within 90 days.

It's not that hard to find the natural reservoir especially because they know where these types of corona viruses come from and it's a novel virus never seen before. All they need is one single fragment of viral RNA from a giant pool of bat droppings and they can amplify it.

You think you're being clever but you actually don't know that much.

 

[Foreigner]

Nothing about the following introductory post was indicative of a fully serious conversation. It was vague and short while obtusely proclaiming vindication of "everything they called a conspiracy" without you providing a shred of evidence.

Really? Everything? Some of the conspiracies revolving around covid, a fraction of which I mentioned in my post, were so ridiculous and unserious it was hilarious. You know them as well as I do. You were around in those old BL covid threads as well.

I was not intentionally making a mockery of things, other than the globalist bit by evoking David Icke who would love to talk about globalist agendas. I'll admit that.

However, I would consider "deep-state and globalist rot" about as unserious as "deep state alien lizard cabal". That's my honest opinion whenever I hear that phrase "globalist", and the conveniently never defined or identified "deep state". Sorry, I think dropperz ruined that one for me. Also, comparing Fauci to Bill Gates is very unserious and mockery in my opinion. Calling my other reasonable statements or opinions "absurd" is mockery in my opinion. It's all about perspective, innit?

And frankly, this is probably the most serious covid thread that we have had on BL if you compare it to the old ones.

It is not mockery when people question extreme conspiracies by comparing them to other extreme conspiracies, maybe don't bring them up and call all of them true without doubt. From my perspective, I added serious counter debate following this:

Almost everything they called a conspiracy about the covid pandemic has ended up being true.

The term conspiracy theory itself is a CIA invention to stifle discourse.

It shouldn't take us 5+ years to have a societal discourse about the obvious, but people are brainwashed into rejecting conversation topics when the government and media label it a "conspiracy." It's an automatic reflex at this point.

What your post above says... is a whole lot of nothing. "I'm a skeptic, here's my skepticism on full display. Skeptical, skeptical, skeptical and... something about skepticism." You're actually a pseudoskeptic because you just bloviate, which is why I'm done talking to you.

You call things that aren't proven in your eyes non-sense... and the things that have been proven (with your own "yes" statements), you poo poo and bypass like oh, no big deal. They just lied about the entire reason for the pandemic and lied to us about their motivations. They deplatformed, discredited, and purged credible scientists and experts who tried to point it out, ruining their lives and careers. Engaged in mass censorship, including through social media, of anyone who tried to have the conversation. Anyway, let's move on to talk about your non-sense conspiracies!

Goodbye.

 

[Jnowhere]

when it comes to covid, the government absolutely can not be trusted

when it comes to covid, the government absolutely can be trusted

alasdair

So you do have a sense of humor

 

[alasdairm]

sure. many of people's assumptions about me are incorrect



alasdair

 

[tryptakid]

It was strongly suspected in the scientific community and many talked about it, but most of us were called conspiracy theorists by the stupid, ignorant public for saying so. I knew since 2021 that it was a lab leak because the first people who turned up at the hospital in China with this illness were lab workers, months before it hit the western world. Some of the world's leading virologists also published papers saying that some of the viral sequences could not have been a result of natural selection.

Strong inklings and actual evidence are two different things though. It's still not possible to say with any certainty where it came from, even if it is almost certainly something that came from a lab leak.

It was obvious, but never officially admitted.




I don't understand how you can poo poo these things like "oh well the government was experimenting with gain of function to make viruses more deadly." Say what?

So I'm trying to read more into this - it seems like this was known about as part of the grant awarding to this lab.

Fauci gave tax payer dollars to EcoAlliance who funded the Wuhan Lab to do research in a facility with staff who weren't qualified to maintain a Level 5 lab; research that resulted in a virus which got unleashed on the world, yet that same type of research is officially illegal in the US and most western nations.

Gain of Function research isn't illegal in the US - studies were done at Chapel Hill, NC and University of Iowa on Coronaviruses. The whole point is to explore how a pathogen evolves to become more virulent/deadly, and then determine ways to combat such viruses. If I'm reading this incorrectly, please feel free to correct me.

Ultimately, it seems like this stuff goes on all of the time, it's just that this one particular time things went really really badly. Should there be accountability? Yes. Will there be? Almost certainly nothing appreciable. Hell, the guys who knowingly pushed Oxycontin hard while covering up the known risk of use for the only real purpose of profit and market share, got away with some financial penalties despite almost 1,000,000 dead Americans directly linked to opioid overdose deaths.

Then they locked down our society, created health mandates, and caused a wide variety of other societal ills, ruined the economy, traumatized the public, and then pushed a highly profitable product on us. All while claiming they didn't know where it came from WHEN THEY FUCKING KNEW ALL ALONG.

What is wrong with you???

You can't say that definitively. The vaccinated have a higher rate of comorbidity now. There are enough unvaccinated people that we have a good control group to base this on. The background death rate is 25 times higher in both the US in Canada post-pandemic. The chance of heart attack and stroke in young people who got vaccinated is significantly higher.

The Pfizer data that was released under court order shows that they knew about a lot of these side effects but worked hard to downplay or bury them, which was why the courts had to force them to tell us about it.

Myocarditis, stroke, nerve damage (especially bell's palsy), peripheral neuropathy, the list goes on... all at significantly higher levels in the Pfizer data than they told the public about.

And if you got injured by this shot there was no recourse and most health professionals wouldn't even report your ADR.

There is so much criminal negligence. I absolutely believe it is depopulation at worst, or simply unbridled greed and power grabs at best.

I don't know, this may be a bridge too far for me. I can see the frustration with profiting off of the vaccine, but that is just the nature of drug development. It seems like your take is ultimately that clinical research created this mess, then did a bad job at managing the mess that was created, before finally profiting off of the cure for the mess which they had to develop and role out, and also provides no real wiggle room for questioning the pathway?

I don't disagree with you on any of those points, but I absolutely do not think that it was an intentional or planned release. Too many variables would have been in constant need for control in order to achieve an intended outcome.

I think most of this was hubris and the negative impact of commercial biopharma. The further things get away from regulated labs and then get mixed up in private sector groups operating outside of academia or government research, the harder it is to prevent against breakdown along the line.

It's why I think AI research being handled by private sector companies is terrible and short-sighted (but big pocketed) and should instead be researched via academic pathways with governement oversight. It's too important a topic to explore and the incentive to monetize progress is not great.

It does cause massive blood clotting and aggregates of proteins, immune cells and clotting factors. It's a side affect in many people and post-mortem analyses are showing this.

It doesn't rearrange your DNA but we now know that the artificial mRNA can reverse transcribe into human DNA when the cell is replicating and the nuclear envelope is gone, exposing nuclear DNA.



What an absurd statement.

If you want to make a mockery of things, fine... don't couch it in a serious conversation.

I don't think Quasi was mocking anything - he's allowed to have a different opinion than you are, doesn't mean he's making a mockery of anything.

 

[-=SS=-]

Strong inklings and actual evidence are two different things though. It's still not possible to say with any certainty where it came from, even if it is almost certainly something that came from a lab leak.

This relates to the 'gain of function' stuff. Just because there are labs, taking in silly money, doesn't actually mean they can do what they claim they can do. I mean it shouldn't need to be stated, but not trusting a word the establishment says should be the default position. And bio-weapon research is a military/establishment thing - it is a tactic as old as time to have your enemy over estimate your ability and therefore sink into paralysis. The fact is we don't know what the truth about these installations.

I don't disagree with you on any of those points, but I absolutely do not think that it was an intentional or planned release. Too many variables would have been in constant need for control in order to achieve an intended outcome.

This is precisely why I believe there was no virus at all. You can not possibly stage manage something as inherently unpredictable as a biological agent like a virus (supposedly) is. If you were planning something on this scale you would need assurance of outcomes, and nature provides no such assurances. The only logical way to carry out something like this is to make the people do the work for you, because human psychology is far more easily controllable and predictable.

It is self-evident to me. The overwhelming need to reinforce the narrative on a daily basis with propaganda, while simultaneously censoring anyone with a competing narrative from the scientific world. A real pandemic would not require that, because it would be self-evident in its own right. And we did not see people falling dead in the streets or dying in great numbers. We saw empty hospitals, and conversely images that implied great death (NYC morgues, Italy military truck convoys, and of course the TV statistics that conflated the reality).

 

[joesmyname]

Just that it was viral research.

More like completely negligent gain of function research. STRAIGHT UP CHINA-Flu. Trump right on the money….. again! The Hoax list needs another page. 99.9% survived the Chia flu… 99.9% will not survive their shot of Fent today but here we are being dumb about Covid.

And for those still trying to figure out the “significance of the passage of time“ and how to best lob Johnnys penis off at 5 years old…. WHY WAS IT COVERED UP SO STRINGENTLY? Why did the CDC fund it? Two very simple questions

 

[-=SS=-]

Why did the CDC fund it? Two very simple questions

The same reason governments funnel billions into CERN and fusion research. It's a huge fucking gravy train for everyone involved, and it's a perpetual one at that. No discernible end point for it, just keep shovelling in more money. Fusion is always just "twenty years away!".

It's the same trick used over and over again. Whether it be scientific pursuits, pharmaceuticals, war, what have you. The easiest market in the world is the one you conjure out of nothing and which the public can not dispute one way or the other.

 

[joesmyname]

The same reason governments funnel billions into CERN and fusion research. It's a huge fucking gravy train for everyone involved, and it's a perpetual one at that. No discernible end point for it, just keep shovelling in more money. Fusion is always just "twenty years away!".

It's the same trick used over and over again. Whether it be scientific pursuits, pharmaceuticals, war, what have you. The easiest market in the world is the one you conjure out of nothing and which the public can not dispute one way or the other.

Exactly. This is why I hate to see every day people slugging it out over these issues. End of the day the only color that matters is GREEN. These gravy trains will never stop and it’s at our expense. Damn shame.