Tryptamines Types of DMT
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wait... frog skin isn't the only way to make 5meo-dmt though, right? there were a ton of research lab type places in different countries selling that, and i wouldn't think they are extracting that stuff from frogs in that large of quantities.
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5meo-dmt was pretty cheap from the vendor i was getting it from. probably a little more doses for the amount of money compared to the lsd analogues they were selling... i didn't really like it though, maybe cause i had so many lsd analogues on hand when i was doing it though.
i never tried smoking dmt... smoking dmt is how you really blast off and it's shorter duration than oral if i understand correctly. some types of dmt i think you need to take something else with it to take it orally, not sure which kind... i've heard people say you can smoke 5meo-dmt too. i never really tried it. i didn't think smoking it was a thing when i had it. i'd do like 20mgs and have a light trip. i did like 5mgs while peaking on 100mgs of 1p-lsd one time and it was actaully crazy and pretty amazing, although i felt really tired in a bad way when the trip was over.
i'm sure some people on this site have tried all the different types of dmt. nndmt probably has the best reputation from what i read. i don't know if that would be what most would consider regular dmt.
i never tried smoking dmt... smoking dmt is how you really blast off and it's shorter duration than oral if i understand correctly. some types of dmt i think you need to take something else with it to take it orally, not sure which kind... i've heard people say you can smoke 5meo-dmt too. i never really tried it. i didn't think smoking it was a thing when i had it. i'd do like 20mgs and have a light trip. i did like 5mgs while peaking on 100mgs of 1p-lsd one time and it was actaully crazy and pretty amazing, although i felt really tired in a bad way when the trip was over.
i'm sure some people on this site have tried all the different types of dmt. nndmt probably has the best reputation from what i read. i don't know if that would be what most would consider regular dmt.
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If you want heaven and back in 15 minutes order some yopo seeds, crush them in weed grinder/ bake them / and combine them with sodium "hi" carbonate , ×2 lift off ! Seriously next level. 
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and also they will need peeling.. if you want to do it like snuff this can be done but it will make you sick ....Yeah sick.
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They are selling the synthetic version its not extracted. Its the same drug but no frogs involved. Its more ethical and the frogs don't excrete pure 5-meo-dmt, venom also has Bufotenin (sp) in it, so in my mind synthetic is better, though i have never tried toad sourced. (Edit) Actually the venom os for sale in some places its like a paste, the lab made stuff is white or tan powder
nn-DMT is the only DMT. 5-meo-dmt and 4 aco-dmt are not anything like DMT
I'm sure every vape pen cart says on it which it is. In Canada DMT is illegal and 5-meo-dmt is not though stores sell both pretty openly. Ask the vendor if you can't determine which it is. There is huge dosage difference too, you need to know what you are smoking here...
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5-meo-dmt can be vaped and is purported to have similar (even stronger) effects to nn-dmt, and not all 5-meo is from frogskins, it certainly can be synthesized, but it is also an old south american entheogen. They hit different receptors mostly.
I have not tried it, and still in my honeymoon phase with nn-dmt
I have not tried it, and still in my honeymoon phase with nn-dmt
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5-MeO-DMT: 4.00 5ht1a, 3.69 5ht7, 3.48 5ht1d, 2.73 5ht6, 2.41 5ht1b, 2.38 D1, 1.84 5ht5a, 1.72 5ht1e, 1.58 D3, 1.57 Alpha2C, 1.55 5ht2c, 1.00 Alpha2A, 0.98 5ht2a, 0.97 SERT, 0.88 Imidazoline1, 0.86 Alpha2B, 0.82 NET, 0.78 D4, 0.73 D2, 0.69 5ht2b; 0.00: Alpha1B, Beta2, Beta1, DAT, D5, Alpha1A, Sigma1, Sigma2, CB2, KOR, Ca+Channel, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H2, CB1; ND: H1, DOR, MOR, NMDA
DMT: 4.00 5ht7, 3.97 5ht1d, 3.91 5ht2b, 3.53 Alpha2B, 3.53 Alpha2C, 3.51 D1, 3.42 5ht2c, 3.28 5ht1e, 3.25 5ht6, 3.16 5ht5a, 3.13 Imidazoline1, 2.95 Alpha1B, 2.75 Alpha2A, 2.70 Alpha1A, 2.58 5ht2a, 2.37 SERT, 2.23 Sigma1; 0.00: 5ht1a,D4, D5, Beta1, D2, D3, DAT, NET, 5ht1b, Beta2, Sigma2, CB2, KOR, Ca+Channel, M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, H2, CB1; ND: H1, DOR, MOR, NMDA
DMT: 4.00 5ht7, 3.97 5ht1d, 3.91 5ht2b, 3.53 Alpha2B, 3.53 Alpha2C, 3.51 D1, 3.42 5ht2c, 3.28 5ht1e, 3.25 5ht6, 3.16 5ht5a, 3.13 Imidazoline1, 2.95 Alpha1B, 2.75 Alpha2A, 2.70 Alpha1A, 2.58 5ht2a, 2.37 SERT, 2.23 Sigma1; 0.00: 5ht1a,
The best form of DMT is 4-aco-dmt - but that's only if it's REAL 4-aco-dmt which you havn't been able to buy in England for the last 4 or 5 years. You just get this fake-ass grey shit that makes you ill if you try taking a big dose. Real 4aco is tan/white. You eat that.
Then it's NN-DMT - you can eat that too with an MAOI but it causes pretty heavy nausea if you eat it. I've taken it loads of times but when I found real 4aco I stopped taking NN orally - simply because there's almost no nausea with 4aco and it takes you to the same place as DMT but with it's own unique twist on things. 4aco is the best drug I've ever taken although psilocybin comes damn close.
Then it's NN-DMT - you can eat that too with an MAOI but it causes pretty heavy nausea if you eat it. I've taken it loads of times but when I found real 4aco I stopped taking NN orally - simply because there's almost no nausea with 4aco and it takes you to the same place as DMT but with it's own unique twist on things. 4aco is the best drug I've ever taken although psilocybin comes damn close.
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right well I listed the various different receptor affinities form a paper I found last year,
For a while people called the 5-meo chemical Gomeo, which is a different form of pedantry.
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This thread got a little bit cluttered. N,n-DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, and 4-ACO-DMT are all different drugs and will affect you very differently.
I'm pretty sure based off your opening post that you are seeking n,n-DMT. It's actual DMT. 5-meo-dmt/4-aco-dmt are not DMT. They are related but totally different (analogues).
Def want to confirm with vendor and even after it is wise to confirm if possible that vendor actually sent you what you intended.
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When I first opened thread I was thinking it would be about different salt forms of dmt.
Freebase or fumarate tend to be the most commonly encountered forms of n,n,DMT
I'm pretty sure based off your opening post that you are seeking n,n-DMT. It's actual DMT. 5-meo-dmt/4-aco-dmt are not DMT. They are related but totally different (analogues).
Def want to confirm with vendor and even after it is wise to confirm if possible that vendor actually sent you what you intended.
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When I first opened thread I was thinking it would be about different salt forms of dmt.
Freebase or fumarate tend to be the most commonly encountered forms of n,n,DMT
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These aren’t really different forms of DMT, they’re structurally related drugs but they are entirely different substances from each other. The unifying structural feature is that they have a tryptamine backbone with 2 methyl groups on the amine (nitrogen at the end of the carbon chain). They shouldn’t really be thought of as “types of DMT”.
Biologically active and relatively enjoyable Tryptamine compounds most commonly come in 3 major structural groups. There is the base tryptamine like DMT which do not have functional groups bound anywhere on the compound besides on the amine. These compounds often are more quickly broken down by the body when ingested orally due to monoamine oxidase, hence why oral preparations may require coingenstion with an MAO inhibitor. They also may sometimes be active when snorted or smoked where they directly enter the bloodstream, but the effects are often short lived due to the rapid breakdown by MAO. These often are highly visual and colorful psychedelics.
Then there are the 4 substituted Tryptamines. These are the base tryptamines with a functional group bound at the 4 position on the tryptamine ring. Typically the group that is bound is either a hydroxyl groups (oxygen and hydrogen, HO), or a functional group like acetoxy (AcO) which rapidly is converted into a hydroxyl group. These are usually orally active and longer lasting than base tryptamines. Psilocybin (4-phosphoroxy-dmt), psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT), and psilocin (4-HO-DMT) are the most commonly found 4-substituted tryptamines which build off the base of DMT. Most if not all of the effects of 4-AcO-DMT and psilocybin come from their conversion into psilocin (there may be some activity on their own, but they are so rapidly converted into psilocin that it is unlikely these effects are significant). The primary difference in effect between these three 4-subbed DMT molecules is potency (4-AcO and 4-Phosphoroxy are bulkier than HO, so they in turn are less potent by weight than psilocin) and they duration is shorter with the hydroxyl variety as the other forms have longer effects due to the time it takes for them to be metabolized over time into psilocin.
Then there is the 5 substituted tryptamines. Commonly a methoxy group (oxygen with a methyl group attached, a methyl group is a carbon atom with 3-4 hydrogens bound to it depending on if it is by itself or bound to another atom) is found here (like 5-MeO-DMT, but sometimes other groups are also found (like bromine in 5-Br-DMT or a hydroxyl group in bufotenine which is 5-HO-DMT). The effects of this class of tryptamines tends to be harder to predict the effects of and often carry much higher risk of toxicity. They often are harsher on the body and lethal overdoses can occur in those who are not careful. They are still very interesting and worth doing but they are very different from base and 4-substituted tryptamines. Some are very short and others can last hours. Some are fairly active orally and others not so much. Bufotenine is fairly toxic and not worth doing really. 5-MeO-DMT is the most commonly used 5-substituted tryptamine. It tends to produce powerul trips with little to no visuals. It can be more physically taxing and more likely to produce effects seen as scary or unsettling, although people also experience profound beauty and insight. It is more potent than DMT and not something to fuck around with lightly. It is also found in venom sacks in bufo Alvarius toads. This fluid can be dried and smoked for hallucinogenic effects, although synthetic 5-MeO-DMT is substantially more ethical and safer to use.
There are other structural groups of tryptamines that are less common as there are lots of ways you can mess with the structure (e.g., alpha methyl tryptamine which adds a methyl group on the alpha position of the carbon chain, essentially making it an analogue of amphetamine where instead of a phenyl ring structure, there is now an indole ring structure, this leads to it being a stimulant, empathogen, and psychedelic all in one, it is extremely cool but not super common and carries higher risks than DMT, psilocin, and the like). However if you just want to know about the tryptamines that build off the base structure of DMT, almost all of the ones you will actually see people use are contained within those three groups with the most common ones being DMT, 4-HO-DMT, 4-PO-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, and 5-MeO-DMT. 4-PrO-DMT has also hit the market relatively recently and it is thought that its effects are mostly due to conversion into 4-HO-DMT, although this is not entirely confirmed and many people report subjective subtle differences in effect compared to other 4-subbed dmt molecules.
Biologically active and relatively enjoyable Tryptamine compounds most commonly come in 3 major structural groups. There is the base tryptamine like DMT which do not have functional groups bound anywhere on the compound besides on the amine. These compounds often are more quickly broken down by the body when ingested orally due to monoamine oxidase, hence why oral preparations may require coingenstion with an MAO inhibitor. They also may sometimes be active when snorted or smoked where they directly enter the bloodstream, but the effects are often short lived due to the rapid breakdown by MAO. These often are highly visual and colorful psychedelics.
Then there are the 4 substituted Tryptamines. These are the base tryptamines with a functional group bound at the 4 position on the tryptamine ring. Typically the group that is bound is either a hydroxyl groups (oxygen and hydrogen, HO), or a functional group like acetoxy (AcO) which rapidly is converted into a hydroxyl group. These are usually orally active and longer lasting than base tryptamines. Psilocybin (4-phosphoroxy-dmt), psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT), and psilocin (4-HO-DMT) are the most commonly found 4-substituted tryptamines which build off the base of DMT. Most if not all of the effects of 4-AcO-DMT and psilocybin come from their conversion into psilocin (there may be some activity on their own, but they are so rapidly converted into psilocin that it is unlikely these effects are significant). The primary difference in effect between these three 4-subbed DMT molecules is potency (4-AcO and 4-Phosphoroxy are bulkier than HO, so they in turn are less potent by weight than psilocin) and they duration is shorter with the hydroxyl variety as the other forms have longer effects due to the time it takes for them to be metabolized over time into psilocin.
Then there is the 5 substituted tryptamines. Commonly a methoxy group (oxygen with a methyl group attached, a methyl group is a carbon atom with 3-4 hydrogens bound to it depending on if it is by itself or bound to another atom) is found here (like 5-MeO-DMT, but sometimes other groups are also found (like bromine in 5-Br-DMT or a hydroxyl group in bufotenine which is 5-HO-DMT). The effects of this class of tryptamines tends to be harder to predict the effects of and often carry much higher risk of toxicity. They often are harsher on the body and lethal overdoses can occur in those who are not careful. They are still very interesting and worth doing but they are very different from base and 4-substituted tryptamines. Some are very short and others can last hours. Some are fairly active orally and others not so much. Bufotenine is fairly toxic and not worth doing really. 5-MeO-DMT is the most commonly used 5-substituted tryptamine. It tends to produce powerul trips with little to no visuals. It can be more physically taxing and more likely to produce effects seen as scary or unsettling, although people also experience profound beauty and insight. It is more potent than DMT and not something to fuck around with lightly. It is also found in venom sacks in bufo Alvarius toads. This fluid can be dried and smoked for hallucinogenic effects, although synthetic 5-MeO-DMT is substantially more ethical and safer to use.
There are other structural groups of tryptamines that are less common as there are lots of ways you can mess with the structure (e.g., alpha methyl tryptamine which adds a methyl group on the alpha position of the carbon chain, essentially making it an analogue of amphetamine where instead of a phenyl ring structure, there is now an indole ring structure, this leads to it being a stimulant, empathogen, and psychedelic all in one, it is extremely cool but not super common and carries higher risks than DMT, psilocin, and the like). However if you just want to know about the tryptamines that build off the base structure of DMT, almost all of the ones you will actually see people use are contained within those three groups with the most common ones being DMT, 4-HO-DMT, 4-PO-DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, and 5-MeO-DMT. 4-PrO-DMT has also hit the market relatively recently and it is thought that its effects are mostly due to conversion into 4-HO-DMT, although this is not entirely confirmed and many people report subjective subtle differences in effect compared to other 4-subbed dmt molecules.
I agree with you but I do think 4aco does take you to pretty much the same place as nn-dmt. There are subtle differences but I think if someone has tried a hefty dose of 4acodmt then they know pretty much what oral DMT will be like. I took a LOT of ayahuasca and oral DMT and the first time I took 200mg of 4aco-dmt I thought "Thank fuck I don't have to take oral DMT anymore and deal with all that nausea.
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Since DMT does not always take you to exactly the same place, I have to agree that the other psychedelics take you to kind of the same place but different.
with nn-DMT usually (but not always) I get a very strong geometric visual repeat theme, and or an enlarging or approaching fractal with fractals within, but also it produces cartoon characters (elves?) as do other substances including salvia divinorum which is in no way related.
with nn-DMT usually (but not always) I get a very strong geometric visual repeat theme, and or an enlarging or approaching fractal with fractals within, but also it produces cartoon characters (elves?) as do other substances including salvia divinorum which is in no way related.
Yeah there's a twist between nn and 4aco. I've never seen elves or aliens tho pupnik - the only time I ever saw aliens was when I was just starting to trip and I'd been reading Terence Mckenna so I was vulnerable to the placebo effect. When I started taking it regularly that all vanished - never seen an alien since. (whatever an alien is supposed to look like I have no idea)
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5-MeO-DMT isn't a type of DMT.
H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) isn't a type of H2O (water.)
If it's not DMT (or n,n-DMT which is the same thing,) then it's a completely different drug than what you're looking for.
I'm not getting into salts here, but if you have other questions just ask.
Definitely check out some reports on 5-MeO-DMT. It's crazy stuff.
H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) isn't a type of H2O (water.)
If it's not DMT (or n,n-DMT which is the same thing,) then it's a completely different drug than what you're looking for.
I'm not getting into salts here, but if you have other questions just ask.
Definitely check out some reports on 5-MeO-DMT. It's crazy stuff.