What will the radical left do after the Trump win

[LucidSDreamr]

drift listlessly no longer, matey

First video I watched had a huge trans and gay flag.

You just lost all of the working class right wing.

Identity politics needs to be forbidden if any such party were to succeed. Like a separation of church and state concept and treat religion and identity issues as seperate and not allowed or up for discussion in the party.

Class issues only

 

[nepalnt21]

Class issues only

it's all strongly intertwined... especially in a realm where the right runs on little bits and pieces of cultural genocide... a party cannot simply ignore certain things because morons use it in the culture war

 

[-=SS=-]

What will the radical left do after the Trump win

... start a nuclear war
and blame it on him

This has aged like fine wine in a single day US and UK made missiles have now been utilized against targets in Russia. US embassy in Kiev shut on warnings of imminent strike.

it's all strongly intertwined... especially in a realm where the right runs on little bits and pieces of cultural genocide... a party cannot simply ignore certain things because morons use it in the culture war

The overwhelming majority of people do not want trans stuff promoted, especially to children. Any political party that is throwing its weight behind it has lost the fucking plot. It should be a personal choice that requires no open discussion, celebration, or cultural promotion.

I honestly still can't quite believe it has piggybacked in on the momentum that the gay culture established into socio-political discourse, and somehow managed to establish itself as a legitimate thing and enjoying the protection of the state apparatus.. all without any consideration for the consequences to both the psychological and physiological, especially in children.

Nothing to do with conservatism, the right-wing, or whatever. I think you'll find the overwhelming majority of people believe it is mental illness, even if they won't say so publicly for fear of being cancelled.

 

[nepalnt21]

promoted

promoting it is different than showing that they are welcome... which is still something we need

should be a personal choice

should be, we have one party that wants to take away that choice

believe it is mental illness

i mean... gender dysphoria IS a mental disorder, isn't it? so what's even the point there?

 

[Fire&Water]

This has aged like fine wine in a single day US and UK made missiles have now been utilized against targets in Russia. US embassy in Kiev shut on warnings of imminent strike.

Biden gave the go ahead

why he's been smiling like mr magoo remembering where he parked his jalopy after two weeks

 

[-=SS=-]

should be, we have one party that wants to take away that choice

Not clued up on US domestics, but I would presume this is about bathrooms etc and not about banning the surgery itself?

i mean... gender dysphoria IS a mental disorder, isn't it? so what's even the point there?

The point is we have the state machinery in support of all this without bothering to even dig deep in to the consequences of it all, or the causes of it either.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

This has aged like fine wine in a single day US and UK made missiles have now been utilized against targets in Russia. US embassy in Kiev shut on warnings of imminent strike.


The overwhelming majority of people do not want trans stuff promoted, especially to children. Any political party that is throwing its weight behind it has lost the fucking plot. It should be a personal choice that requires no open discussion, celebration, or cultural promotion.

I honestly still can't quite believe it has piggybacked in on the momentum that the gay culture established into socio-political discourse, and somehow managed to establish itself as a legitimate thing and enjoying the protection of the state apparatus.. all without any consideration for the consequences to both the psychological and physiological, especially in children.

Nothing to do with conservatism, the right-wing, or whatever. I think you'll find the overwhelming majority of people believe it is mental illness, even if they won't say so publicly for fear of being cancelled.

I don’t think it’s wrong or mentally ill but it’s such a small fraction of people that for the democrats to anger 80% of the country (which is uptight about it for religious reasons) was an incredibly stupid move. They destroyed their whole party elevating trans issues over economics.

 

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I don’t think it’s wrong or mentally ill but it’s such a small fraction of people that for the democrats to anger 80% of the country (which is uptight about it for religious reasons) was an incredibly stupid move. They destroyed their whole party elevating trans issues over economics.

It is being used as a wedge for ulterior motives by the establishment in the West. Clearly it is, because they don't even bother to consider the implications, especially for children. Why else would they care, if the percentage of people affected is insignificant? The establishment never does anything out of beneficence, that we know for sure.

I think one of the main motivations is to perpetuate and accelerate discrimination laws, hate speech, and political correctness, which are all just a smokescreen for state authoritarianism policing language and thought.

It's ridiculous when you consider the percentage of people affected and the overwhelming majority of people not actually in support of the whole thing. There has to be ulterior motivations.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

It is being used as a wedge for ulterior motives by the establishment in the West. Clearly it is, because they don't even bother to consider the implications, especially for children. Why else would they care, if the percentage of people affected is insignificant? The establishment never does anything out of beneficence, that we know for sure.

I think one of the main motivations is to perpetuate and accelerate discrimination laws, hate speech, and political correctness, which are all just a smokescreen for state authoritarianism policing language and thought.

It's ridiculous when you consider the percentage of people affected and the overwhelming majority of people not actually in support of the whole thing. There has to be ulterior motivations.

I think the only reason of it is to distract the working class while the pillage our taxes on stupid shit like billionaire welfare and for profit wars .

I don’t think it’s about controlling speech…. That’s also just another distraction issue from class war. You’d have to amend the constitution to control speech; that’s never gonna happen. Everyone’s speech is safe - don’t get distracted by that it’s just another decoy

 

[nepalnt21]

without bothering to even dig deep in to the consequences of it all, or the causes of it either.

that's not true, and our incoming admin promises to make it even harder... and even punish doctors and hospitals that offer trans care to adults, if i understand it

They destroyed their whole party elevating trans issues over economics.

sure, and we all hate rainbow capitalism and all that... but i don't think it's possible to ignore the subject... it's wayyyy too ingrained in today's political arena.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

that's not true, and our incoming admin promises to make it even harder... and even punish doctors and hospitals that offer trans care to adults, if i understand it


sure, and we all hate rainbow capitalism and all that... but i don't think it's possible to ignore the subject... it's wayyyy too ingrained in today's political arena.

you can either ignore the subject and have all of the right wing working class support a class war in solidarity with left wing workers.

Or you can make a big deal out of something that affects less than 1% of the population and lose all hope of having the working class unite against the billionaire / corporate interests.

You can’t have it both ways.


This applies for any social or ideological issue like that (the right would have to agree to put their religious ideological crusades on hold and unite for this purpose too). We need to put them all on hold if we don’t want this corporate slavery to escalate to the point where everyone is working 18 hrs a day 7 days a week to afford to eat.

 

[SvnLyrBrto]

you can either ignore the subject and have all of the right wing working class support a class war in solidarity with left wing workers.

Or you can make a big deal out of something that affects less than 1% of the population and lose all hope of having the working class unite against the billionaire / corporate interests.

You can’t have it both ways.


This applies for any social or ideological issue like that (the right would have to agree to put their religious ideological crusades on hold and unite for this purpose too). We need to put them all on hold if we don’t want this corporate slavery to escalate to the point where everyone is working 18 hrs a day 7 days a week to afford to eat.

So, basically LGBT people have no place in your workers' utopia and we can all just go fuck off and die? You wouldn't be the only one. A few podcasts I listen to, and even a NY Times editorial, have suggested that the democrats throw us to the wolves and make nice with the bigot brigade to win. But do you really think we'll go meekly and willingly to the slaughter? I've been watching, and experiencing, a transition from numbness to fear to desperation to seething anger over these last two weeks; at least among my local friend and peer groups. A couple of friends of mine... also gay, liberal, very anti-NRA, San Franciscans... are considering arming themselves. I may do the same. I'm just not sure if fighting would be effective in any way or if I should be thinking more in terms of getting the hell out of dodge or if Gavin Newsom can protect us in our last refuge here or if he will also cheerfully hand us over when the thugs march in for the sake of his own political career.

And really, what would be the point of the Democratic Party even still existing, regardless of whether it wins or loses, if it's just going to remake itself into a clone of the republicans?

 

[LucidSDreamr]

So, basically LGBT people have no place in your workers' utopia and we can all just go fuck off and die? You wouldn't be the only one. A few podcasts I listen to, and even a NY Times editorial, have suggested that the democrats throw us to the wolves and make nice with the bigot brigade to win. But do you really think we'll go meekly and willingly to the slaughter? I've been watching, and experiencing, a transition from numbness to fear to desperation to seething anger over these last two weeks; at least among my local friend and peer groups. A couple of friends of mine... also gay, liberal, very anti-NRA, San Franciscans... are considering arming themselves. I may do the same. I'm just not sure if fighting would be effective in any way or if I should be thinking more in terms of getting the hell out of dodge or if Gavin Newsom can protect us in our last refuge here or if he will also cheerfully hand us over when the thugs march in for the sake of his own political career.

And really, what would be the point of the Democratic Party even still existing, regardless of whether it wins or loses, if it's just going to remake itself into a clone of the republicans?

First of all, I’m talking about a hypothetical political movement that will never happen because people are too tribal, angry and desperate; and the 0.1% is too powerful. So this is all just fantasy talk I’m suggesting.

Don’t worry it will never happen. Everyone will always be more focused on being the victim and hating their neighbor rather than realizing who the real problem is here creating all this division.

But if we are to entertain this hypothetical scenario that will never happen:

You’re not the only “side” that is going to have to put identitiy politics to the side if the working class is ever to unite against the 0.1%. My previous post said that relibkicans would have to drop their religious based crusade to wield government for non class issues. this specifically is already in direct violation of the first line of the first amendment and they ignore it completely….so don’t worry none of it will ever happen in a fantasy if the first amendment is shitted on on reality constantly by them.


So yes your scenario of poor ppl killing eachother over identity politics is much more likely than my scenario of a class war happening.

 

[deficiT]

Now that Trump is President again, I imagine the "radical left" will continue being the only ones not complicit in mass murder of thousands of children by Israel, or the mobilization of federal government armed forces to displace millions of migrants based on legal status in an overt display of fascism.

It'll also be interesting to see which lower income country the US government will decide to turn into a narcostate now that the war in Afghanistan is over.

 

[mal3volent]

I wonder how many more children in Gaza will die with Trump in office and Huckleberry taking the lead on Israel?

With so many on the far left staying home or refusing to vote for a woman "complicit in genocide"...

Kinda makes you think. Are these people sincere?

According to The Associated Press, "Slightly more than 4 in 10 young voters went for Trump, up from about one-third in 2020."

Gen Z voters were the biggest disappointment of the election. Why did we fail? | Opinion

Vice President Kamala Harris won my generation, but the inroads made by Republicans killed any thoughts of Gen Z saving us from Republicans.

www.usatoday.com

 

[nepalnt21]

^^^

it's best to just assume they're all limitless in their stupidity... and we move on

 

[jasperkent]

I remember the late 1960s & early 1970s when there were violent radical left groups like the Weather Underground & the Symbionese Liberation Army.

There were occasional bombings, bank robberies, and kidnappings (remember Patty Hearst?), but nothing serious enough to disrupt society even a little bit.

Bomb threats in high schools were common, but they were always just that-- threats. We'd all go outside while the school was searched, and it was funny to the students. Of course we never had actual school shootings, so it was all a joke to us.

 

[deficiT]

I mean, they're all complicit, they're all neoliberal war mongerers and pawns of insurance and finance companies; electoral politics is ultimately a dead end.

If youre relying on the executive branch of the American government to do anything other than what they've been doing the last century, you're going to be disappointed.

Trump ultimately isn't the end of the world, he has no true beliefs or principles, he just knows how to work the mob. He occasionally has done good shit and is a loose cannon, despite ultimately being a scumbag.

If people want a better world they need to start participating in their local communities, doing mutual aid, organizing politically, unionizing, etc.

Elections are important for sure but ultimately they are just a means to an end, if someone genuinely cares about a cause, they need to get off their ass and do something about it, not rely on shifty politicians to do anything positive.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

f people want a better world they need to start participating in their local communities, doing mutual aid, organizing politically, unionizing, etc.

Elections are important for sure but ultimately they are just a means to an end, if someone genuinely cares about a cause, they need to get off their ass and do something about it, not rely on shifty politicians to do anything positive.

 

[-=SS=-]

I mean, they're all complicit, they're all neoliberal war mongerers and pawns of insurance and finance companies; electoral politics is ultimately a dead end.

If youre relying on the executive branch of the American government to do anything other than what they've been doing the last century, you're going to be disappointed.

Trump ultimately isn't the end of the world, he has no true beliefs or principles, he just knows how to work the mob. He occasionally has done good shit and is a loose cannon, despite ultimately being a scumbag.

If people want a better world they need to start participating in their local communities, doing mutual aid, organizing politically, unionizing, etc.

Elections are important for sure but ultimately they are just a means to an end, if someone genuinely cares about a cause, they need to get off their ass and do something about it, not rely on shifty politicians to do anything positive.

People do not understand or refuse to see how it all works - I'm not sure who is the worst at that, American's or us Brit's. America is one gigantic war factory, the entire economy is centred around it and it service to it. It permeates right down to the local level ultimately, but that is harder to discern. It is the same in the UK as well, and I would argue that is why America is that way too.. lot's of shenanigans going on behind the scenes for centuries now. Everyone should read 'Empire of the City' by EC Knuth, it spells it out quite clearly. Or 'Tragedy and Hope' by Carroll Quigley.

The only way I can see politics ever changing anything is if it's used to dismantle the machinery and reverse the trajectory. That means dismantling the intelligence agencies and other federal bodies that exist at a level beyond oversight and democratic input. The military is ultimately informed by these bodies, and it was this shadowy apparatus that lead to the evisceration of Iraq, Vietnam, and other pointless wars.

In the UK, Parliament isn't even required to have a say on whether we go to war. Since 2011 MP's are required to 'debate it', but that's just surface dressing. If the King and City make the decision, then that is that.. because the King is the head of the military unlike in the President in the USA. Forget about the public, over a million people protested against the Iraq war and the government did not give a single fuck.

Politics is just the buffer between the public and the ruling class. A token appeasement and charade, to keep the peasants from revolting. Nothing has fundamentally changed in centuries, except perhaps the invention of a new buffer layer with the WEF and Blackrock to take the heat off the actual rulers.