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Jabberwocky said:
Yeah i think i get your drift.

I want to talk about a thing that has been bothering me for a week and i can't shake it off.

I am involved with conspiracy theory forums. There was this Christian conservative (you mentioned them, so i think this is not too far off-topic)

It was not outright gay bashing or hate speech but something along the lines of "Gays should be punished, by God, due to their life choice" And i can't get over it. I can't. How it is a choice? How? I assume the thread author there was a straight person. So what happened with him, her? At some point, most likely during early teenage, the person A) Found out, that he/she, likes the opposite sex, wants to kiss them and hold them close and maybe more? B) He/She was like "Okay... i have began to have sexual needs... now i have to choose... same gender.... or different gender?" I wanted to smash the little fucker but i would just get banned, and most likely i will get banned from this forum (again) after you read my post to the end.

Sexual orientation is not a choice. That is my argument.

I try really hard to not offend anyone. I respect EVERY SINGLE person by default, it is a given. That respect does not have to be earned, at all. But it can be lost. That is ultra rare. One hand fingers is enough to count it, and i am already 40 years old fart.

Look here, i think this is really bad these days, but this is how i feel. I apologize and i SWEAR my intention is to not offend, but to respect. If a baby is born with a penis, then he is a male. If a baby is born with a vagina, then she is a female. I am sorry i am sorry, ban me if that was hate speech but that is how i feel.

I understand that there are people who feel like they were born in the wrong gender body. That must be awful, they have my empathy, and i support it if they want to go through gender changing procedures. That is alright. I just want everyone to be what they are, sincerely, and live their lives without fear of prejudice or violence.

I am honestly sorry if i offended someone here with my ideas of a male and a female. If it is a ban (again) I accept it.

Much love to everyone, EVERYONE! from Finland.
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You are a sweet guy. Thanks for being respectful.
Lol, when you said you wanted to smash the little fker. Lol
Much love to you back
 
Lovecraft said:
I mean, I can't for the life of me understand why anyone has a problem with the fact that there are people who don't feel aligned with the gender that is associated with their biological sex and happens to feel better about being alive if they live as another gender. Even if they feel the need to go all the way with it surgically. Why does it matter to anyone?

People come up with all sorts of nonsense arguments to justify their opposition, such as that if we allow people to express whatever gender of their choosing, the next thing that will happen is that people will decide they're not human and are some sort of animal. Setting aside that this is also someone's personal choice and if they have the means and resources to do that than by all means they should, a biological male that decides to live as a female can just as well take part in society and function as normally as anyone else in their careers etc.

The other thing I hear is that kids are somehow being indoctrinated to become trans by the media and teachers, which I think is absolute nonsense and can't happen; people, even young people, that don't feel aligned with their biological sex are no more confused or misguided as people who are perfectly happy living out their lives in accordance with their biological sex. They know and understand themselves and nobody's being influenced by anyone. I can't imagine ever being convinced by anyone growing up that I should perhaps identify as female, even if I was surrounded by trans people. I also have a young son and I don't worry about this in the slightest, nor see any signs of even discussing the matter in his schooling.

And the religious arguments by Christian conservatives and evangelicals is even more preposterous because the bible says all kinds of crazy shit that none of them pay attention to, like condoning slavery (the southern slaveholders actually used the bible to justify the African slave trade in US during the American Civil War), wife beating.

I mean, when I see people, intelligent people like Jordan Peterson that are disturbed by this movement, I just don't get it. People are complex and varied and we don't need to insist that everyone fit into perfect little boxes, do we?. That's obviously not the reality.
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"People are complex and varied and we don't need to insist that everyone fit into perfect little boxes, do we?"

*I'm sorry for the long post*

I love this! May I please use it?
I wish you were my father. and I'm just a gay man.
Who had family give me a rough time, I sometimes wonder, do I hate them, do they hate me, should I hate them?
To this point in life,
I'm all grown and it's no damn fuckn surprise I used to love Ecstasy.
It truly gave me all the love that as a human being deserves in the first place.
I didn't know what I was doing was or is a form of escapism.
So, then along came something that the exclusive beautiful people were doing at the afterhours.
Tina.
The late 90s to early 2000s was a very huge long summer.
It was 4 years summed up into one.
One year summed into 4 years. The time of my life.
All I was doing was filling in those voids. Hanging out my friends and dating. I even forgot I was gay.
I was looking for love and acceptance, and I was always extra careful when I it came to it.
I must have done something right because I'm still here and I am thankful for God's protection.

I was born out of wed lock. My parents were very young.
My grandparents raised me.
But my Dad and mother came back into my life.
Large family and recently had a falling out with biological mother.
I should have followed my psychologists advice. But I always had hope that one day she would grow wiser and older, but wasn't the case.
She's a narcissist. Remarried for financial support she is reincarnation of Joan Crawford, ya know the movie Mommie Dearest? "No more hangers!"

My father is unhappily remarried and has two sons. So I have 2 half brothers. Their mother, A typical evil step monster.
Brothers are now in their 20s. The smartest one became an alcoholic and dropped out university.
While his gf kept going and just graduated, and is definitely pursuing law.
She's fed up and I think it's over.
Brother had to fly back to Florida because severe allergies but she stayed in Europe to celebrate her graduation.
Ouch...

The other one got some girl pregnant. She's 3 months along.
They both still live at home.
Gf moved in
They weren't disciplined and weren't taught any obligations. So they don't help their parents.

Yet, I'm the bad guy. The black sheep.
I'm the crazy one!
But I'm definitely no saint

Oh my goodness I can make a book.

Parents, love and accept your son's and daughters.
Because if not they will find it elsewhere like I did.

Do you know how it's like to feel unsure if you are truly loved even the people you think that should don't?
I need a hug.
And I don't care if I sound too clingy or needy like the woman who bore me told living thousands of miles apart once did.
 
Thing with nudity is context. As passive act nudity can be just fine. People over here go to mixed gender saunas all the time, no problems. Guy jumping from bushes doing helicopter specifically just in front of some other persons view is not good. You can behave nude, or you can choose not to behave.

I have observed these conversations repeatedly and I don't remember anyone being able to revert simple nudity to something intrinsically harmful or evil. Then it turns to circular argumentation.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
What are your thoughts about the practice of nudism and the existence of nude beaches
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I think if you choose to take your children there you're taking a risk of exposing them to voyeurs, exhibitionists, or worse. Incidental nudity at home is a completely different thing than intentionally exposing them to large amounts of strangers in a vulnerable state.
 
mal3volent said:
I think if you choose to take your children there you're taking a risk of exposing them to voyeurs, exhibitionists, or worse. Incidental nudity at home is a completely different thing than intentionally exposing them to large amounts of strangers in a vulnerable state.
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Where is the vulnerability coming from
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Where is the vulnerability coming from
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You still haven't properly addressed my last post. So I'm not going to continue engaging with you when all you do is pick out one line of my entire post and ask a question. Rather than actually responding to the overall point.

Look up arrests/crimes against children at nudist colonies etc. doesn't take that much imagination.
 
Jen X said:
So nudity to children is ok as long as it's in a pride festival?
Would you say the same for a creep to do it at an elementary school?
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of course not. as pissed_and_messed said it's about context.

and they're not doing it "at" children. that's the kind of deliberately loaded language i mentioned earlier.

alasdair
 
lecroute said:
depending on your history, some questions might be triggering.
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ok, but we're not talking about some questions. we're talking about one specific question: "what are your preferred pronouns?"

help me understand how that can be triggering?

lecroute said:
especially when they come from total strangers, and especially if there is little way to ignore them without being rude in return.
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telling somebody "i'd rather not answer your question" is not being rude in return.

alasdair
 
They've always inspected your genitals in scholastic sports, it's part of getting a physical, which is required to play. It's always been this way.

I remember my first physical was done by a female doctor, which was a bit awkward.

Whether or not that Florida law is a good or appropriate one, I don't know. I haven't read it, but it's not an unusual practice to inspect genitals.
 
let me turn your quotes around

alasdairm said:
telling somebody "i'd rather not answer your question" is not being rude in return.
alasdair
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i still find it difficult to answer anything when i am asked certain questions by a stranger who just wants to make small talk.
you say you are autistic, so i think you can understand.

alasdairm said:
ok, but we're not talking about some questions. we're talking about one specific question: "what are your preferred pronouns?"
help me understand how that can be triggering?
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now i don't have problems with *that* particular question.
but i can imagine some people do. people who, for example, had a hard time in life because of their gender confusion. so if i don't know someone, i just go with the default. in fact, after knowing that pronouns are suddenly such a big deal (i never really paid much attention) i try to not use pronouns at all. making casual conversation for me, who already tends to be nonverbal, even more difficult.
that's the price i pay for having in mind that people are different, and what i think is valid, or "nice", it can be perceived as triggering or even insulting to someone else.

not that i'm always concerned with other people's feelings or ideas.
as i said, with strangers i keep things pretty superficial and basic.
 
Quasimoto said:
They've always inspected your genitals in scholastic sports, it's part of getting a physical, which is required to play. It's always been this way.

I remember my first physical was done by a female doctor, which was a bit awkward.

Whether or not that Florida law is a good or appropriate one, I don't know. I haven't read it, but it's not an unusual practice to inspect genitals.
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Well, they're trying to mislead people into thinking someone at the school is going to be doing it rather than a healthcare professional in a clinical setting. Calling it genital inspection rather than a physical. Quite obvious why they employ these tactics.

According to the Associated Press:

"The bill approved by the Florida House would resolve questions about a student athlete’s biological gender by allowing schools to ask the athlete to confirm her reproductive anatomy, which can be done during a routine physical."
 
alasdairm said:
of course not. as pissed_and_messed said it's about context.

and they're not doing it "at" children. that's the kind of deliberately loaded language i mentioned earlier.

alasdair
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Yes they were doing it facing kids. You weren't there and even the news reported on it.
 
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