2024 US Presidential Election

[Cheshire_Kat]

She was specifically put in charge of dealing with the root of the problem in Central America. No, we cannot agree that she was put in charge of the "border problem" in general. That's just not accurate. From the Reuters article...

First, Harris was never given the portfolio of border czar, said Alan Bersin, who embraced the label as a special representative for border affairs under Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. "This was not the job assigned to VP Harris," he said.

Instead, Biden asked Harris to lead diplomatic efforts to reduce poverty, violence and corruption in Central America's Northern Triangle countries of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, as well as engage with Mexico on the issue.
It was similar to the job Biden had when he was vice president.
But that was an overly broad mission, Murphy said.
"It's hard in a short period of time to come up with a strategy that impacts the very real and complicated psychological decision-making that people in those countries go through when they're deciding to come to the United States," Murphy said in a phone interview.

And within months of Harris taking the job, the focus on the three Central American countries was out of step with the reality at the border - where illegal immigration from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua and Venezuela was spiking, several former officials and outside experts said.
"She started off, in a sense, at a disadvantage because everyone was focusing on those three countries in the Northern Triangle," said Roberta Jacobson, who served as a coordinator for the U.S.-Mexico border in the early months of the Biden administration. "Meanwhile, the migrant population was changing dramatically."

And, for the Republicans to link her directly to the border without telling the whole story was "misleading".

C'mon

She was put in charge with Presidential Backing to solve the problem.

We needed to properly process all those who passed through for two important reasons:

1) Disease and Health problems
2) Security of those involved with possible crime or terrorism

What would I have been done?

1 Visit all the border facilities and photo documented the capacities. Get the info as to how many could be care for in a humane way. Use all the White House resources to make a good presentation.
2 Visit those countries she made speeches in and share those photos and capabilities with the governments and ask them to hold back the flow while the US prepares for them. Ask for data in terms of number of migrants etc so that the US could be prepared
3 Bring that data back to the US and present it t the House of Representatives and Senate so that they could see the need and scope of the situation. Get Bills passes or executive orders to build facilities that could properly process and contain the expected flow
4 Build out the needed facilities. They need not be permanent, but they need to exist.
5 Hire additional healthcare and other workers to staff it.
6 Process those folks in an orderly fashion so that they get the proper health screenings and inoculations needed. Keep them in quarantine until they are in sound health
7 Allow them to enter into American society in the same way all the previous generations did. Proud and with their heads up, not afraid and needing to live on the streets.

What did Biden / Harris do?

Pretend like there was nothing going on to the average citizen and let the refugees slip through with a wink and a blind eye

By turning her back on this issue it not only affected the country due to the way these individuals were unceremoniously left off but also to these individuals who were denied proper healthcare at the point of entry and a plan to meld the into society.
The economy would have benefited due to the construction and those employed, too.

 

[ions]

Government expanded under Biden at an alarming rate.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

C'mon

She was put in charge with Presidential Backing to solve the problem.

We needed to properly process all those who passed through for two important reasons:

1) Disease and Health problems
2) Security of those involved with possible crime or terrorism

What would I have been done?

1 Visit all the border facilities and photo documented the capacities. Get the info as to how many could be care for in a humane way. Use all the White House resources to make a good presentation.
2 Visit those countries she made speeches in and share those photos and capabilities with the governments and ask them to hold back the flow while the US prepares for them. Ask for data in terms of number of migrants etc so that the US could be prepared
3 Bring that data back to the US and present it t the House of Representatives and Senate so that they could see the need and scope of the situation. Get Bills passes or executive orders to build facilities that could properly process and contain the expected flow
4 Build out the needed facilities. They need not be permanent, but they need to exist.
5 Hire additional healthcare and other workers to staff it.
6 Process those folks in an orderly fashion so that they get the proper health screenings and inoculations needed. Keep them in quarantine until they are in sound health
7 Allow them to enter into American society in the same way all the previous generations did. Proud and with their heads up, not afraid and needing to live on the streets.

What did Biden / Harris do?

Pretend like there was nothing going to the average citizen let the refugees slip through with a wink and a blind eye

By turning her back on this issue it not only affected the country due to the way these individuals were unceremoniously left off but also to these individuals who were denied proper healthcare at the point of entry and a plan to meld the into society.
The economy would have benefited due to the construction and those employed, too.

Hey, all those are wonderful, and humane, ideas. Still, they were not in the scope of the job she was given. Possibly she could have lobbied for the power and purview to do all that and maybe she should have.
Now, will you also admit that the Republicans acting like that was already her job and not something she maybe should have taken on was misleading the American public?

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Hey, all those are wonderful, and humane, ideas. Still, they were not in the scope of the job she was given. Possibly she could have lobbied for the power and purview to do all that and maybe she should have.
Now, will you also admit that the Republicans acting like that was already her job and not something she maybe should have taken on was misleading the American public?

How many times do I have to say I am a life long Democrat and won't vote Trump, LOL

She could have done the right thing, instead she just "phoned it in"....

Remember, vote not Trump !

 

[alasdairm]

Government expanded under Biden at an alarming rate

but whaaaabbbouut?

maybe he's disembowling the govt trump style?



alasdair

 

[ions]

Look. We have an approach as to how to 'disembowl' the government. They just aren't listening to our guideline.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

but whaaaabbbouut?

maybe he's disembowling the govt trump style?



alasdair

This has got the worst election I can ever remember @alasdairm Things don't look good for not only the US but the world to be honest.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

How many times do I have to say I am a life long Democrat and won't vote Trump, LOL

She could have done the right thing, instead she just "phoned it in"....

Remember, vote not Trump !

I'm not saying you're not a Dem or that your views are wrong. To the contrary, your border ideas are impressive. I am saying that not voting in such a way as to save America from the looming authoritarianism he represents is akin to the Germans who looked the other way before WW2. Sorry, but I really do feel that way.

As to Harris and the border, you're being a little harsh, but good enough. I'll back off.
Now, as to inflation, you knew it was worldwide and had a lot to do with Covid, right?
Next point. Don't you think the American people deserve a little more honesty, the whole story.

If you want to "hold your nose" and vote Harris, that's fine.

 

[alasdairm]

Look. We have an approach as to how to 'disembowl' the government. They just aren't listening to our guideline.

hmm. but you said that trump was "better at disembowling big government". i guess he's not listening to you either

This has got the worst election I can ever remember

maybe. i think that it's got worse in my time as a u.s. citizen for sure (i voted in my first u.s. election in 2012).

i said here a couple of years ago that biden was a poor choice for 2024. it's better that he stepped down.

alasdair

 

[ions]

Audit, then end, the Federal Reserve Bank.
Will 'fix' much of our problems.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

As to Harris and the border, you're being a little harsh, but good enough. I'll back off.
Now, as to inflation, you knew it was worldwide and had a lot to do with Covid, right?

I studied directly under Marcia Stigum @ Loyola University and am pretty good at Macroeconomics.
Uncle Joe blew the natural rebound after the Covid19 quarantine on the second check he sent Americans. This was the spark that lit off inflation cycle.

Next point. Don't you think the American people deserve a little more honesty, the whole story.

They do indeed, not the "no one coming in here" info that Media info from Biden Harris.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I studied directly under Marcia Stigum @ Loyola University and am pretty good at Macroeconomics.
Uncle Joe blew the natural rebound after the Covid19 quarantine on the second check he sent Americans. This was the spark that lit off inflation cycle.

Hmm, and that caused worldwide inflation? I heard people say, "No one wants to work" because of the checks two years after they were issued. Those were bigger checks than i thought.

Do you think that nearly two million Americans dying and one million retiring early might have had something to do with the labor shortage and it's effect on prices? The clearly real supply chain problems? (exacerbated hugely by "just in time" manufacturing, but ne'mind)

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

The US was propping up the slack in the world economy.

When China's "Tofu Dreg Beltway" economy collapsed with the empty cities they built the US could no longer pump enough money into the world economy.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

The US was propping up the slack in the world economy.

When China's "Tofu Dreg Beltway" economy collapsed with the empty cities they built the US could no longer pump enough money into the world economy.

So those $1,200 checks to people after months of unemployment for most were the little kick that took down the house of cards? Wow. And I just paid overdue bills with mine. I think that says a lot about fragility in the world economy, if true.

Thing is, it might have actually staved off inflation (in America, anyway) to let people suffer. But it would have cost high unemployment, forclosure, etc.. a recession. And there's the rub, isn't it? Staving off a recession without inflation. You at least have to admit that Covid had just a slight amount to do with it though.

How were all our other numbers after covid and how are they now? I remember Reagan's recession, and Bush's. I had to move 3 states away and live with relatives for two years to get a blue collar job and survive during Reagan's.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

So those $1,200 checks to people after months of unemployment for most were the little kick that took down the house of cards? Wow. And I just paid overdue bills with mine. I think that says a lot about fragility in the world economy, if true.

Thing is, it might have actually staved off inflation (in America, anyway) to let people suffer. But it would have cost high unemployment, forclosure, etc.. a recession. And there's the rub, isn't it? Staving off a recession without inflation. You at least have to admit that Covid had just a slight amount to do with it though.

How were all our other numbers after covid and how are they now? I remember Reagan's recession, and Bush's. I had to move 3 states away and live with relatives for two years to get a blue collar job and survive during Reagan's.

There was a much, much, much larger spending Bill that those check were attached to. The total influx of that Bill's spending (both nationally and internationally through funding) put more cash into the world economy which put pressure on the supply of goods. This along with China's economic slowdown is indeed the root cause of the present inflationary spiral.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

There was a much, much, much larger spending Bill that those check were attached to. The total influx of that Bill's spending (both nationally and internationally through funding) put more cash into the world economy which put pressure on the supply of goods. This along with China's economic slowdown is indeed the root cause of the present inflationary spiral.

Well, you did say, "on the second check he sent Americans.".

The supply chain problems started during Covid and American's needed the unemployment checks as well. It's a tough balance to make, choosing recession or inflation. Historically, one party has chosen one and the other the latter. Economically, in my life, I've fared (much) better under Democrats.

It might be good in a way, the suffering I experienced under Reagan as manufacturing crumbled. I took some classes and got into machining. AutoCad, CNC Programming, etc., etc.. I had to be the best both physically and mentally to keep a decent manufacturing job from the 80's on. Prolly good for me, but left me a bit Brokedown physically.

But, hey. Republican recession, rinse, repeat.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Well, you did say, "on the second check he sent Americans.".

The supply chain problems started during Covid and American's needed the unemployment checks. It's a tough balance to make, choosing recession or inflation. Historically, one party has chosen one and the other the latter. Economically, in my life, I've fared (much) better under Democrats.

It might be good in a way, the suffering I experienced under Reagan as manufacturing crumbled. I took some classes and got into machining. AutoCad, CNC Programming, etc., etc.. I had to be the best both physically and mentally to keep a decent manufacturing job from the 80's on. Prolly good for me, but left me a bit Brokedown physically.

But, hey. Republican recession, rinse, repeat.

Again they chose to "highlight" the checks to get much much larger spending ...

Again, I'm a lifelong Democrat so I'm not trying say to vote Republican. If Democrats can't voice something they see wrong with the Democratic Party it isn't very Democratic is it? Can we admit we made mistakes and improve ourselves?

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Again they chose to "highlight" the checks to get much much larger spending ...

Again, I'm a lifelong Democrat so I'm not trying say to vote Republican. If Democrats can't voice something they see wrong with the Democratic Party it isn't very Democratic is it? Can we admit we made mistakes and improve ourselves?

Not sure what you mean by "highlight". Most people had to spend them to survive. Cash flow to avoid a recession was the point, wasn't it?

Hey, I'm not down on what your saying. I am horrified at the misinformation out there and have a bad habit of being a Dem and going into explaining mode. I'll go back to just calling them weird.

 

[alasdairm]

in response to kamala harris' recent interview, donald trump accused her, among other things, "rambling incoherently".

irony obviously lost.

pretty rich coming from this guy: Donald Trump's Bacon Comments During Speech Spark Mockery: 'Word Salad'

from his 'speech' i quote: "some people don't eat bacon anymore and, eh, we are going to get the energy prices down"

out of context? sure. give me a context - any context - in which you can place this statement and not immediately think to yourself that donald trump is "rambling incoherently".

alasdair

 

[Fire&Water]

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