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Opioids Advice for wisdom tooth removal pain?

Lol when I got my wisdom teeth out they gave me 30 7.5/325 Vicodin with two refills. Man times have changed though. A few weeks ago I had a particular painful procedure they offered Tylenol 3 or nothing else. I told them I'd rather have hydrocodone as codeine stops me up. They said it was not possible. I laughed pointed at my bill of 6k and said you won't even give me two fucking pills?

Yea I'm going somewhere else next time. Just two hydros I would have been fine.
Lol I'm jealous that they gave you a 30ct script of 7.5mg hydros with refills when you got your wisdom teeth removed. I'm sorry about what happened recently though, that sucks that you genuinely needed narcotic analgesics post surgery and they only offered you Tylenol 3s, that's rough.
 
I don't use kratom but throughout the past week I've been using low dose codeine and weed for the pain, generally 16mg-51.2mg codeine phosphate with either 1000mg acetaminophen or 200-800mg ibuprofen depending on the severity of the pain I was in. For weed I was taking 10mg THC edibles and that synergized with the codeine quite nicely and worked really well for analgesia.
Stii think its weird Codeine that durin my 20-ties apperently was OTC.

Since it went prescription, it dissapeared. While it seems the perfect midway Opiate for things like post dental surgery, or pain that is unbearable but not so severe to prescribe Tramadol (unnecessary other effects and high chance for interactions), Morphine or Oxycodone.

Imo the reason Tramadol is handed out like candy is cause its still not technically seen as Opiod.
So eassier for a doc to prescribe, so the patient is of lesser importance. If you know someone who uses it daily you notice its not just an Opiod. It changes a person imo, probably cause its a all neutransmitters at once hitter.
 
So its been a week later the 3 big ones 2 up one down, where ripped out.
No problems or pain offcourse the first 4/ 5 hours just drooling and bloody.

After that 5 days Kratom last doses yesterday. An quite irritating pain came and stuck.
Swoolen glands, headache and and pain at the spots.
Which when accidently hit when brushing hurts and has the tendency to bleed.

No infection signs noted but going hard on ginger, garlic, sage, honey and oregano.
As precaution, with inbetween a coillaidial silver containing tooth paste with 3 forms of Hydroxy-Apatite.

Which also has an remarkable effect on the sensetivity of teeth. Unlike the commercial Senitives sold.
 
I know this is a little bit old. OP, I'm sorry I wasn't here in time to actually help you out. I hope the experience wasn't too bad. I had to have a lot of oral surgery growing up, impacted wisdom teeth, had my jaw broken and reset among other shit. There are some things that I feel are pretty effective in reducing the discomfort.

- Orajel an OTC ointment that will numb the area temporarily to be reapplied every few hours as needed
- Saline, gargle some saline as frequently as you feel like it. I reckon you will find some relief
- Warm compress on the outside of the face near where your tooth extraction was

Again, sorry I missed you OP. Hopefully this is able to help someone else out with the same problems.
 
I know this is a little bit old. OP, I'm sorry I wasn't here in time to actually help you out. I hope the experience wasn't too bad. I had to have a lot of oral surgery growing up, impacted wisdom teeth, had my jaw broken and reset among other shit. There are some things that I feel are pretty effective in reducing the discomfort.

- Orajel an OTC ointment that will numb the area temporarily to be reapplied every few hours as needed
- Saline, gargle some saline as frequently as you feel like it. I reckon you will find some relief
- Warm compress on the outside of the face near where your tooth extraction was

Again, sorry I missed you OP. Hopefully this is able to help someone else out with the same problems.
Concerning salt would Celtic/ Hawaiian seasalt have an advance [never had that btw so correct when wrong].
And I dont trust the Japanese version of it anymore due to Fukushima. Or is it the primary about NaCl as antiseptic?

These are not Rocksalts. Which once probably was Seasalt. Its deep seawater that comes up at certain spots.
They lead it true a swamp maze, which absorbs any impurity's [heavy metals a.o.] the result is led to a bassin to evaporate.
Woman take of the delicate top layer, most expensive. Man, who are apperently less precise do the more grainy layer of salt that comes next.

Its compositaion is totally unlike table salt, for one its wet about 20 % water.
And all minerals and trace elements in seawater. At the right dilution its composition is like our bloodplasma.
Fact they extract all the minerals from the rock/ sea-salt. And sell seperate, as they are more worth then the NaCl.
Leaving only NaCl. Which they sell to us as table salt.

A seafish-tank, put the right excact ammount as the sea of NaCl in the water.
Your fish die, thats why these people use the salt I mentioned.
In which the fish feel fine.

When I asked her what she used to salt food, ordinary cheap ass tablesalt.
Braindead baby, no need pointing the unlogics of it. Fish good salt, family bad salt?
[not about 'bath salts' to be clear].

"- Orajel an OTC ointment that will numb the area temporarily to be reapplied every few hours as needed".

Wonder why Splat Silver does that too, it has no numbing ingredient? Just Silver, Hydroxy-apatite, Papaine, Rhathania extract and a few others. But I bought the last tube it seemed, so the search for a paste start over and over again.
 
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Hey @emkee_reinvented im pretty sure the variety of salt is not going to make a major difference.

I don't buy into the world of "supplements". People make the wackiest claims about things with little to no evidence provided. When there is "evidence" it is never acquired in a scientific manner.

Let's sat there is some benefit to Himalayan Rock Salt over table salt. If there were a benefit at all, the positive effects would still likely be the result of consuming salt in general.

It's a good way of marketing these things. They can take something with an established benefit, let's say for instance, protein. They can then add a rare flower from mongloia that only grows every 30 years.

The person is still gonna have the protein so it enables the seller to claim their product has health benefits without being totally dishonest.

We are all tight on money right now. I felt like taking a moment to share my feelings about this stuff in the hope that people will not waste their money.

TLDR regular saline is fine. I believe the recipe is 1tsp for every 8oz of water, but definitely verify that. 0.8g
 
Hey @emkee_reinvented im pretty sure the variety of salt is not going to make a major difference.

I don't buy into the world of "supplements". People make the wackiest claims about things with little to no evidence provided. When there is "evidence" it is never acquired in a scientific manner.

Let's sat there is some benefit to Himalayan Rock Salt over table salt. If there were a benefit at all, the positive effects would still likely be the result of consuming salt in general.

It's a good way of marketing these things. They can take something with an established benefit, let's say for instance, protein. They can then add a rare flower from mongloia that only grows every 30 years.

The person is still gonna have the protein so it enables the seller to claim their product has health benefits without being totally dishonest.

We are all tight on money right now. I felt like taking a moment to share my feelings about this stuff in the hope that people will not waste their money.

TLDR regular saline is fine. I believe the recipe is 1tsp for every 8oz of water, but definitely verify that. 0.8g
Himalayan salt is rock/sea-salt colored pink (how and why? i dont use these kinda salts anymore) sounds like Hawaians black salt another sales gimic, just some added vulcanic ash could be they dint refine it, but if so i would mention it for the sales. So basickly the same as white or pink Coke or MDMA . Imo its a sales stunt and equal to dry Seasalt. And wasting money how much salt does one use, so there is little difference in cost buying 1 kg iodised NaCl for almost free or spendin 10 bucks on quality salt all topcooks use. No definetely not a rip off, more bang for your bucks.

Celtic sea salt comes from clay-lined salt ponds, which results in all of its most distinctive characteristics. Firstly, it is harvested in one specific location — Brittany — which is on the coast of France. It is gray because of minerals from the clay in the ponds, which also accounts for its other name: sel gris or gray salt. Celtic sea salt has a strikingly briny flavor profile.

Mineral Rich: The Secret Behind 100% Authentic Celtic Salt

Celtic Sea Salt, a pure and unprocessed salt, has long been cherished by chefs and health enthusiasts alike for its distinct taste and exceptional nutritional profile. Harvested from the pristine waters off the coast of Brittany, France, Celtic Salt is naturally air and sun-dried in clay ponds, a process that preserves its rich mineral content and imparts its characteristic color and texture.

The real magic of Celtic Sea Salt lies in its mineralization. Let’s take a closer look at the specific mineral content and their significance:

Sodium Chloride (NaCl) – 85.37%: Sodium chloride is the primary component of any salt. In Celtic Salt, it not only adds to the flavor but also helps maintain fluid balance and aids in nerve and muscle function in our bodies.

Sulfates – 1.26%: Sulfates help with detoxification and assist in the production of digestive enzymes.

Calcium (Ca) – 0.25%: An essential mineral for healthy bones and teeth. Calcium also plays a role in muscle function and nerve transmission.

Magnesium (Mg) – 0.37%: Essential for over 300 biochemical reactions in the body, magnesium aids in nerve and muscle function, steadies the heart rhythm, and supports a healthy immune system.

Potassium (K) – 0.09%: A vital electrolyte that aids in nerve function, muscle control, and maintaining a healthy blood pressure.

Iron (Fe) – 250.00 mg/kg: Iron is necessary for the production of hemoglobin, a protein that carries oxygen from our lungs throughout our bodies.

Copper (Cu) – .0300 ppm, Manganese (Mn) – 10.0 mg/kg, and Zinc (Zn) – 0.8 mg/kg: These trace minerals are critical for various bodily functions, including immune response, antioxidant defense, and DNA repair.

Moreover, the moisture content of Celtic Sea Salt is 10.34%, contributing to its unique texture and helping preserve its mineral content. The water-insoluble content is 0.70%, reflecting the purity of the salt.

It is the synergy of these minerals, in just the right proportions, that makes Celtic Sea Salt more than just a seasoning. This salt is a powerhouse of nutrients, offering a host of health benefits while adding a touch of complexity and flavor to your dishes.

In the realm of natural salts, 100% Authentic Celtic Salt is truly a jewel, celebrated not just for its culinary merits, but also for its potential to enhance wellbeing. Enjoy it in moderation as part of a balanced diet, and reap the benefits of its bountiful mineral content.

In comparison, seasalt thats found in rock, sold as table or as seasalt table salt and Himalayan is mined. Or extracted from seawater but almost always refined to NaCl. ... The flavor is merely salty with no brininess, though some people can detect a hint of bitterness in iodized salt. The production of table salt is heavily industrialized, with millions of metric tons mined annually. "

But as antiseptic NaCl will do, diluted. Is there a reason no one mentioned Hydrogen Peroxide, which is present in honey.

Hydrogen peroxide​

Hydrogen peroxide can be used as an oxidizing mouthwash (e.g. Peroxyl, 1.5%). It kills anaerobic bacteria, and also has a mechanical cleansing action when it froths as it comes into contact with debris in mouth. It is often used in the short term to treat acute necrotising ulcerative gingivitis. Side effects can occur with prolonged use, including hypertrophy of the lingual papillae

Btw the Celts were not dumb, they been doing this not for fun for thousands of years. So buying the world of supplements att was not even relevant. There were no supplements 400 BC afaik.
 
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I don't buy into the world of "supplements". People make the wackiest claims about things with little to no evidence provided. When there is "evidence" it is never acquired in a scientific manner.
So the seafish tank scenario wasnt convincing as it not scietific investigated, but reality. Fish die in NaCl diluted water but not in with the fishtank variety of Celtic salt. She said thats what I use for my fish when she saw the wet crystals.

Science you requested ok its dated from 1896 but hey thats when the men lived, so its old.
And seawater not patentable, so as medical treatment or cure of no interesti to the Pharma industry.

https://www.panakosaguademar.com/post/rene-quinton-and-the-seawater-chronology-of-their-relationship
 
Hey @emkee_reinvented I hear what you're saying. You're right that there wasn't a supplement industry back then. That's kind of a straw man argument, as we are not really discussing the advent of our knowledge and understanding of the human body and its chemistry, we are discussing what these supplements allegedly do My point is, this salt was consumed then and is consumed now with the only difference being our scientific understanding.

All of the minerals you've listed are things the body needs to consume anyway. For that matter, most people with a normal diet will get enough of these minerals. So again, the people selling this salt are not being blatantly dishonest. I do however think they are guilty of misleading people into the notion that only their product can actually get them these things

But were there "supplements" back then? Of course there were. I'm sure a time-traveler would see some undeniable parallels between the guy in pre-Roman Gaul who wears a necklace that someone in the market sold him based on its positive health benefits, its increase of libido and an increase in general wellbeing (a term that does not have a truly objective definition).

Then there is the literal snake oil salesman, who sold a concoction allegedly made of snakes that provided positive health benefits, increased libido and increased general wellbeing.

People are way too inclined to accept and believe things that they hear. It is really a huge issue these days. People hear things once, believe it and then share that point of view as if they have evidence to back it up. I'm not saying anyone is stupid or lacking in intelligence. You have to do your own research.

About a decade ago, my aunt got involved in a pyramid scheme that sold a drink that contained Acai Berries. At that time, the fruit was pretty unknown to the general public. Oh my sweet Jesus how she could talk about that damn fruit juice. The berries were grown by shamans in a dark corner of the vast Amazonian rainforest. These shamans would live thousands of years, nourished only by the berries. When the Spanish conquered, the shamans hid the berries, swearing to one another that they would one day reintroduce their magic berries to the world, but only when the world was ready.

With a drink so totally rare, my Aunt felt like the luckiest lady in the world to be talking to one of the few that had been entrusted with its secret Also surprising was the fact that this Amazonian Shaman was a middle-aged white man, unkempt in appearance and dangerously obese. Given that only a shot glass per day was required, my Aunt was speechless when the man opened the hatch of his Geo Tracker to reveal enough Acai juice to cure the world of all diseases.

She ended up losing several thousand dollars and was temporarily homeless due to this shit. They sent her more shit then she could ever hope to sell, then sued her in small claims court for everything she was worth. Not even Acai berries were enough to raise her spirits after that incident.

People have been doing this since the beginning of history. We have to do our own research on these things.
 
Hey @emkee_reinvented I hear what you're saying. You're right that there wasn't a supplement industry back then. That's kind of a straw man argument, as we are not really discussing the advent of our knowledge and understanding of the human body and its chemistry, we are discussing what these supplements allegedly do My point is, this salt was consumed then and is consumed now with the only difference being our scientific understanding.

All of the minerals you've listed are things the body needs to consume anyway. For that matter, most people with a normal diet will get enough of these minerals. So again, the people selling this salt are not being blatantly dishonest. I do however think they are guilty of misleading people into the notion that only their product can actually get them these things

But were there "supplements" back then? Of course there were. I'm sure a time-traveler would see some undeniable parallels between the guy in pre-Roman Gaul who wears a necklace that someone in the market sold him based on its positive health benefits, its increase of libido and an increase in general wellbeing (a term that does not have a truly objective definition).

Then there is the literal snake oil salesman, who sold a concoction allegedly made of snakes that provided positive health benefits, increased libido and increased general wellbeing.

People are way too inclined to accept and believe things that they hear. It is really a huge issue these days. People hear things once, believe it and then share that point of view as if they have evidence to back it up. I'm not saying anyone is stupid or lacking in intelligence. You have to do your own research.

About a decade ago, my aunt got involved in a pyramid scheme that sold a drink that contained Acai Berries. At that time, the fruit was pretty unknown to the general public. Oh my sweet Jesus how she could talk about that damn fruit juice. The berries were grown by shamans in a dark corner of the vast Amazonian rainforest. These shamans would live thousands of years, nourished only by the berries. When the Spanish conquered, the shamans hid the berries, swearing to one another that they would one day reintroduce their magic berries to the world, but only when the world was ready.

With a drink so totally rare, my Aunt felt like the luckiest lady in the world to be talking to one of the few that had been entrusted with its secret Also surprising was the fact that this Amazonian Shaman was a middle-aged white man, unkempt in appearance and dangerously obese. Given that only a shot glass per day was required, my Aunt was speechless when the man opened the hatch of his Geo Tracker to reveal enough Acai juice to cure the world of all diseases.

She ended up losing several thousand dollars and was temporarily homeless due to this shit. They sent her more shit then she could ever hope to sell, then sued her in small claims court for everything she was worth. Not even Acai berries were enough to raise her spirits after that incident.

People have been doing this since the beginning of history. We have to do our own research on these things.
One of my presessors, a gran- gran ma, took the first smart drug ever from Dr. Aslan. GeroVital, which was Procaine Hydrochloride, which breaks down in the bloodstream to form two bio-nutrients: para-Aminobenzoic Acid (PABA) and diethylaminoethanol (DEAE). So the grandma of my grandma. Bizar, but at least delivered me a genetic clue to my interest.

And ime ordinary salt or Celtic salt both serve the same purpose, they are basickly the same. Its personal preference tastewise Celtic salt is way above, the reason top cooks often use these kinda salts. Salt actually has only one taste, salt. Kinda pale imo, like one Chocolate vs the other. Some are delicious others taste like crap mostly its apperent by the price. While they are all based on the same Cacao.

But as the scientific and fistank example show. Pure Seawater salt, containing all minerals and trace elements apropiatly diluted,
is not the same as NaCl.

That pyramid trick they pulled on your aunt though, wicked. Hate that kinda immoral stuff. 🗡️ for those responseable.
They try to fish/ rip/ misleed my granny too, witnessed it. They hacked/ or she gave her phone nr. email adres.
She is over ninety and on the pc just clicks on bait. Hoping it will dissapear. Luckily she hasnt been ripped afaik.
 
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All of the minerals you've listed are things the body needs to consume anyway. For that matter, most people with a normal diet will get enough of these minerals. So again, the people selling this salt are not being blatantly dishonest. I do however think they are guilty of misleading people into the notion that only their product can actually get them these things

But were there "supplements" back then? Of course there were. I'm sure a time-traveler would see some undeniable parallels between the guy in pre-Roman Gaul who wears a necklace that someone in the market sold him based on its positive health benefits, its increase of libido and an increase in general wellbeing (a term that does not have a truly objective definition).
Prove that our current food grown on our depleted, artificially fertilized [N-P-K] agriculture. Is so abundant in nutrients, as it used to be before they were invented. Before farmers depleted the ground by using wrong agriculture tegniques. Before the fertilizer invention.

And that whole theory on homeostasis in the soil that gets disturbed if you only add those 3 instead instead of all it needs. I will add in wash out [cause fertilizer] to maintain some balance, destruction of living soil. The pesticides that kill useful insects and the stupid plowing and open soil teqgniques they still use. Ok some added Mg, why the ground is so depleted we are deficient over here. Debunk the decline of Vitamins and minerals measured in our food over the last 100 years.

And do include there is no link between Glyfosaat use and disruption of the synthesis of Folate in plants, the natural and better form of Folic-acid [chemicallly prduced] B-Vitamine especially important when pregnant. That that is all made up.

That would definetly improve my sleep.

Prove Pacs and PFAS are harmless, aswell as pesticides and plastic, and I might even dream nice. Not ment offensive but critical, no war. Just exchanging views. ☮️

Assuming you know the pricipels of Perma-Culture/ The One straw Revolution, the difference between the commercial death and self made living compost.

Aswell as the difference between N-P-K, when lucky Mg is added fertalizer. And the use of Lavastarch, covering the ground with wild grass. And off course adding your living compost to your ground. Forgot again a important one , sea salt related, washed up seaweeds, very nutricious 4 the vegetable garden material. Except the lava all free.
My garden 200 square meters when i got it, plowed, had one mutated wurm.

When i left there where hundreds, there where musrooms so also mycoleum. so livin soil. And hid well like the Toads, sorry almost forgot you. The Gryllotalpa gryllotalpa or European Mole Cricket. My co-workers digging air and watering tunnels. Shitting and pissing natural fertalizer. Like my best friends and most vunerable companions the wurms. Their shit is gold. Using your hands instead of metal works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryllotalpa_gryllotalpa

Never asked me for salery or anything so why rent and use a plow to do a bad imitation of what they perfected, and killing them during?
Seems a bit retarted, right?

My garden never suffered Phytora/ Potato Fungus disease while my cornering neighbours did, probable pure coincedence.
 
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