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2024 US Presidential Election

Just a little bit of research shows that Vot-er just helps hospital patients to vote.
Any hospital, any patient, all patients.
The Free Beacon is well known for far right bias and disinformation.
To focus on a mental hospital and, I guess allege that more "crazies" would vote Dem is weird. Pick whatever word you want, it's just... out there.

Going by your logic that "crazies" would be more likely to vote one way, I propose that the article itself would be proof that that way would be whoever that website supports.
This is the kind of argument I really don't like. Yeah, the Free Beacon has its biases. But the article is largely structured in such a way that the origin of any particular factual claim is pretty obvious. It is full of citations to mainstream media publications and the academic publications of the people it criticizes. I think that anyone who doesn't already have reasons to dislike WFB would probably read your comment, then the article, and conclude that you're just being paranoid.

It should be much easier to point out that the article itself provides no evidence of doctors encouraging patients to vote in a particular way, nor that the anonymity or privacy of any voter has ever been threatened. The only "political influence" any doctor is cited as having on any patient is by wearing a (small) Palestinian flag pin, which is very weak, considering that both parties have a strong track record of murdering Palestinians for no good reason.

More importantly, there is absolutely no suggestion anywhere in the Free Beacon article of "ballot harvesting", or any connection between Vot-ER's efforts and the misuse of patient voter registration data for electoral fraud.

Statements from clinicians quoted in the article that encouragement to voter registration may constitute undue stress on certain vulnerable patient populations seem basically valid. The views of the "Vot-ER" executives — as referenced from the New York Times — are moderately concerning: ``The time for doctors "being impartial and apolitical," he said, "is over."''; ``he once told a patient recovering from an asthma attack to vote, since that was the "only way" to "take the smog out of the air."''.
 
This is the kind of argument I really don't like. Yeah, the Free Beacon has its biases. But the article is largely structured in such a way that the origin of any particular factual claim is pretty obvious. It is full of citations to mainstream media publications and the academic publications of the people it criticizes. I think that anyone who doesn't already have reasons to dislike WFB would probably read your comment, then the article, and conclude that you're just being paranoid.

It should be much easier to point out that the article itself provides no evidence of doctors encouraging patients to vote in a particular way, nor that the anonymity or privacy of any voter has ever been threatened. The only "political influence" any doctor is cited as having on any patient is by wearing a (small) Palestinian flag pin, which is very weak, considering that both parties have a strong track record of murdering Palestinians for no good reason.

More importantly, there is absolutely no suggestion anywhere in the Free Beacon article of "ballot harvesting", or any connection between Vot-ER's efforts and the misuse of patient voter registration data for electoral fraud.

Statements from clinicians quoted in the article that encouragement to voter registration may constitute undue stress on certain vulnerable patient populations seem basically valid. The views of the "Vot-ER" executives — as referenced from the New York Times — are moderately concerning: ``The time for doctors "being impartial and apolitical," he said, "is over."''; ``he once told a patient recovering from an asthma attack to vote, since that was the "only way" to "take the smog out of the air."''.
Point taken, mostly because you have made quite a few very good points in your response. I did notice all those things but was not wanting to do a very lengthy reply and get the dreaded "TL:dr".

My one line mentioning the Free Beacon's hard right bias was twofold.
1. You can pretty much get any "damning" article you want if you have no standards as to what you cite. I try to cite stuff that's at least a little more mainstream. And..
2. The biggest bludgeon they used to pummel this organization was the supposed left bias of the people in it. So I figured it was fair game to cite bias in an article citing bias as one of it's main points.

Maybe I should have mentioned that getting out the vote in general normally benefits Dems more, and thus Dems usually put effort into "get out the vote" efforts as a whole. And that that's a perfectly acceptable tactic and hardly "vote harvesting". But ne'mind...

The most important thing I was wanting to point out in my post was the fact that Vot-ER helps patients in general to vote and that the article made it seem as if they were going to mental hospitals and targeting votes from the sickest people they could.

This simple fact, to me, was the feet of clay which made the statue tumble. Pointing out that the Free Beacon was focusing on one very very narrow aspect of what the organization does and acting as if it was a liberal conspiracy was extrememly misleading and also strange, evil, Machiavellian, twisted, what have you.

I do want to thank you again for your further, and very intelligent, analysis. I likely should have not included the line about bias.
However, I'll channel @Mr. Krinkle for a moment here.

Free Beacon? C'mon. Ya want me to cite HuffPost to counter?
 
Walz, who the Trumpanzees are calling an "extreme liberal," is an army veteran, former high school football coach (turned a losing team into state champs), and a gun-owning hunter.
Here are more takes on him:



BTW, that DUI was 30 years ago, he quit drinking then and hasn't had alcohol since.
Sounds to me like he makes good decisions and sticks to them.
 
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they're now trying to argue that minnesota is not a midwest state but might as well be part of canada.

they seem to be really scrambling as the contrast between vance and walz is distinct. they seem baffled by how to address a gun-toting democrat with a solid military record.

alasdair
 
It really is entertaining watching conservative media make up a bunch of new things to complain about. Fox News writers are probably booking record overtime.

although, Minnesota really is not a midwest state. It's mideast. The "midwest" designation hasn't made sense for over 140 years at this point

when I think of "midwest", I think of Wyoming.
 
the term "midwest" comes from the census bureau's four, formal census regions one of which is the "midwestern united states".

minnesota is one of the 12 states that make up that region.

alasdair
 
the term "midwest" comes from the census bureau's four, formal census regions one of which is the "midwestern united states".

minnesota is one of the 12 states that make up that region.

alasdair
I understand that. My point is it is not literally the "mid-west" anymore. It was the mid-west about 200 years ago. I don't understand why we still call it that instead of the "mideast".

The US actually has an interesting and natural ecological and literal geographical meridian:

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What was said in the clip is that he is risky for Harris because he's Jewish, not because he's pro Israel. As someguy correctly points out, the two things aren't synonymous.

Harris actually might've made a really smart call here actually. Shapiro would've really dampened the enthusiasm of the pro Hamas fringe, and she needs them to drive turnout.
Shapiro also basically helped a childhood friend get away with murder as the attorney general of Pennsylvania.

Unfortunately, it seems like VP picks, and a lot of this shit, is mostly about electoral bullshit and optics. The best person for the job never gets picked, it's always "who will help win the election", ultimately. Also, opposing Israel's actions isn't antisemitism. Idk why these things keep being conflated in media and discourse, it's a little tiresome.
 
Also I'm pretty sure RFK Jr is a serial killer. I wouldn't be surprised if he killed that fucking bear himself, and then dumped it in the park as some kind of sick joke.

Why would anyone believe a cyclist killed a bear, with a freaking bicycle!!!? 💀💀 And why would he cop to eating ROADKILL bro??

There was no coming back from the brain worms thing, but this is just patently absurd.
 
"extreme liberal,"
This is an oxymoron, by definition, liberalism is basically the status quo of government and economic policy in the US. But, no surprises that no one understands that anymore.

BTW, that DUI was 30 years ago, he quit drinking then and hasn't had alcohol since.
Yeah, God forbid we have a high level politician that is just some regular ass guy. I wonder how many people in this country have had DUIs. So annoying how prepped for mass consumption some of these people are, all of the "skeletons" normally get brushed under the rug somehow.

I'm sure he'll have to make a statement on it, as that's bound to be something they've prepared for. In all honesty it could work in his favor, as I think people are very tired of voting for people that they have nothing in common with.
 
Shapiro also basically helped a childhood friend get away with murder as the attorney general of Pennsylvania.
Yeah, God forbid we have a high level politician that is just some regular ass guy. I wonder how many people in this country have had DUIs. So annoying how prepped for mass consumption some of these people are, all of the "skeletons" normally get brushed under the rug somehow.

I mean, I don't know the details of the friend he helped get away with murder. I assume there was a legal process and a trial? In any case, DUIs can be quite serious too. There were over 13k dui related deaths last year...
 
I've never said that though.
Well... the far lefties didn't want him because he was a Jew
Oh, maybe I misunderstood the statement here then.

I mean, I don't know the details of the friend he helped get away with murder. I assume there was a legal process and a trial? In any case, DUIs can be quite serious too. There were over 13k dui related deaths last year...
I will have to look into it more, but I heard some details from someone that I do trust as a worthwhile source.

Basically, this woman was stabbed in the back of the head a shit load of times. Shapiro's office helped ensure that it was ruled a "suicide". The boyfriend/fiance, has a personal tie to Shapiro, the boyfriends uncle was childhood friends with Shapiro. This uncle, was also the first person the boyfriend called when he "found his girlfriend dead". It definitely seems fishy tbh. I mean, I've never heard of anyone committing suicide in that manner. Not saying it's impossible, but yeah, something seems off, and I think that could have been part of the reason why Shapiro was not the VP pick. That's a pretty large skeleton, bigger than a DUI from 30 years ago, imo.
In any case, DUIs can be quite serious too. There were over 13k dui related deaths last year...
Sure, I know that. My father died in a DUI related accident. But, in Walz case, this was a long ass time ago, and he's clearly grown into a better person. I don't think having a DUI automatically makes you persona non grata, or renders you incapable of having any sort of positive future. There are politicians with much worse things in their memoirs. It would be different if it was last year, or he had, a ton of DUI charges.
 
If the Republicans can't find anything on Walz after scouring the internet as to his past for a few days, do you think they'll key his car?
 
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