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Starmer - "I wont change drug laws - so tongue my arse. In technicolour"

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Ismene2

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Looks like years more of drug law bullshit. I always knew this cunt Starmer was backwards on drugs since I heard him saying "Every problem in society comes down to drugs".

Speaking to Anne McElvoy, the host of POLITICO’s new Power Play podcast, opposition leader Starmer said: “Other countries will take different approaches they traditionally have, but our approach is settled and not really a subject of great debate even within the Labour Party.”

Only policy Labour have on drugs is naming and shaming anyone caught buying drugs:

in an interview with the Daily Mirror, Mr Reed was said to have highlighted a scheme naming and shaming people convicted of buying drugs during his stint as a councillor and leader of Lambeth Council.

Asked whether the same could happen under a Labour government, Mr Reed said: “We’d absolutely look at it. It’s important you do it with each locality because they understand what their needs are.

“We wanted to send out the signal that, if you think it’s acceptable to come and buy drugs here, and leave behind you the trail of destruction the drugs trade causes on our streets, we will do everything we can to stop you and we will let your friends, family and employers know what you’ve done”.
 
That's put me right off them, the naming and shaming, just for getting caught buying.

And also the lack of understanding. For anyone that knows anything about the subject, the motto should be "behind every drug problem, is a deeper problem, (and one that needs addressing first, before the drug problem can be addressed.)"

Starmer's sound bite is very un-progressive, almost Victorian. Like something Rees-Mogg might have said. Jesus Christ.

I guess they know what they are doing when it comes to knowing what the majority of voters want to hear unfortunately.
 
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Yeah - he was an ayatollah on drugs when he was atorney general or whatever the fuck he was.
 
Thing is - the whole drugs issue is such a masive political hot-potato here, so many brainwashed millions too, that anything preceived as 'soft' on drugs is a guaranteed vote-loser

Even the liberal leader, forget his name, who has an apparent legal-cannabis stance - hasn;t really. The twat wants to regulate low-potency weed and keep 'skunk' illegal due to the 'proven' terrible health effects

Just can;t see any real improvement re drug policy in uk for at least another generation, ffs
 
I haven't looked into it on this occasion, but I would imagine that the Greens would easily be by far the most progressive party when it comes to drug policies. I think they were on previous occassions.

Of course they have no real chance of gaining power or influence any time soon, maybe coming close in a couple of seats if they are lucky. However, I think that in some way, every vote for them, in some way sends out a message that a sizeable number of people support what they stand for.

That's why I have voted for them on previous occasions. This time round I allowed myself to be convinced that it would be a waste of a vote to vote for them so instead I have already completed my postal ballot voting for Labour, who will now win this seat by 10,001 votes more than their nearest rivals. That's kind of a waste of a vote too, but it's one more voice to stand up and be counted I suppose.
 
I think in general politicians know that big changes in drug laws would make sense and help, but they also know that most voters won't go for it, so those policies don't get a look in.
 
Yeah this doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Starmer has close to rock bottom moral integrity, his only advantage is that he's effectively running against absolute rock bottom to significantly negative moral integrity this time round, and his only advantage ever has been being more backwards in almost everything he believes compared to the previous Labour party leadership, such that he could appeal to enough of the fencesitters who would otherwise be dumb Murdoch-newspaper reading, Farage-sympathising retards and obviously to the Zionist lobbyists that manufactured the "antisemitism scandal", thus bringing the only other major party back to closer alignment with the UK's embodiment of political evil which is the Conservatives.

That said... there is so little correlation between what politicians will do when elected compared to what they actually say nowadays. And there are so many other problems to sort out that drug enforcement is going to be vanishingly low on any agenda that actually makes it past the election phase to the point of being considered to be enacted. Of course that means also that progressive drug policies are also going to be pretty low on the agenda but short of violent revolution which I wouldn't endorse... well, it seems like we're kinda fucked. Although there are things we can all do like donate to or work with Transform - https://transformdrugs.org/ - meeting your MP and complaining about the situation, blah blah, all pretty unsatisfying in the short term but seems to be all we've got.
 
It's sad that you get lots of old, retired politicians saying "Yeah, drugs should be legalised". But of course they never say it until they've retired.
 
Ismene2 said:
It's sad that you get lots of old, retired politicians saying "Yeah, drugs should be legalised". But of course they never say it until they've retired.
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And a long and increasing list of retired top coppers too, including heads-of-police and chief constables etc.

Always when retired though, same as above. Jobsworths. Cowards. Scum, really
 
I wonder if Starmer/labour might begin to shift on this one in the runup to the next election now that they're not desperately trying to claw votes away from historically blue "tough on crime" areas.

Furthermore, the greens gaining seats might be taken as a sign that advocating for decriminalization in an election manifesto isn't necessarily political suicide.

Well, dare to dream anyway.
 
Shinji Ikari said:
I wonder if Starmer/labour might begin to shift on this one in the runup to the next election now that they're not desperately trying to claw votes away from historically blue "tough on crime" areas.

Furthermore, the greens gaining seats might be taken as a sign that advocating for decriminalization in an election manifesto isn't necessarily political suicide.

Well, dare to dream anyway.
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There's gonna be some trojan horses he'll have ridden in on for sure - he kinda had to really (they all do, votespinning...

Not so sure the drugs issue will be one of them though - we're clearly miles behind much of the world on that particulare curve. Honestly think we're 10 years minimum from even decriminalising cannabis, let alone legalising anything. I'd love to be wrong though
 
ageingpartyfiend said:
There's gonna be some trojan horses he'll have ridden in on for sure - he kinda had to really (they all do, votespinning...

Not so sure the drugs issue will be one of them though - we're clearly miles behind much of the world on that particulare curve. Honestly think we're 10 years minimum from even decriminalising cannabis, let alone legalising anything. I'd love to be wrong though
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Don't be so pessimistic mate, we just need to wait for the blue rinse brigade, the brexiteers, the Tory voters, the racists and the working class heroes to die.


Ah, I see your point :ROFLMAO:
 
Starmer has made his view on drugs known for years, anyone who had any hope of things changing was dreaming.
Germany a few months ago made Cannabis legal, you can have upto 56 grams & 4 plants in your home.
Ismene2 said:
Looks like years more of drug law bullshit. I always knew this cunt Starmer was backwards on drugs since I heard him saying "Every problem in society comes down to drugs".

Speaking to Anne McElvoy, the host of POLITICO’s new Power Play podcast, opposition leader Starmer said: “Other countries will take different approaches they traditionally have, but our approach is settled and not really a subject of great debate even within the Labour Party.”

Only policy Labour have on drugs is naming and shaming anyone caught buying drugs:

in an interview with the Daily Mirror, Mr Reed was said to have highlighted a scheme naming and shaming people convicted of buying drugs during his stint as a councillor and leader of Lambeth Council.

Asked whether the same could happen under a Labour government, Mr Reed said: “We’d absolutely look at it. It’s important you do it with each locality because they understand what their needs are.

“We wanted to send out the signal that, if you think it’s acceptable to come and buy drugs here, and leave behind you the trail of destruction the drugs trade causes on our streets, we will do everything we can to stop you and we will let your friends, family and employers know what you’ve done”.
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So as a punishment your picture will be put in the paper & some text saying what you got caught with? I see that as a free advert for more sales if you are a dealer. I honestly don't see that as a bad thing.

Also I don't have a week go by where someone is the street doesn't call me a "Smack head" so it's no secret I use Opiates, sticking my photo in the local paper & some text saying I had 5 bags 7 a £10 rock wouldn't make any difference in my life.
 
It never fails to shock me this was a real poster & people actually did believe this load of shit.

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