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Trump shot

paranoid android said:
Ya he was a piss poor shot anyway. But a higher caliber would have likely have been fatal. I mean i dont think he would have survived a .50bmg round.

No way did Oswald kill Kennedy that was the CIA they had the motive and the means to do so. Ive seen that mobsters episode it was good but left some stuff out. I also find it convienant that jack rubys shrink was involved in mk-ultra. Thats a fuck of a coincidence imo
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Underluca-- I think we are on the exact same page regarding JFK. We should start a thread because the answer isn't that fckin mysterious really is it? ^ditto to the stuff i said to p-android re further more in depth discussion. *edit* (on a side note; you are a smart mofo and one of the people I put more stock in around here, credit where due. We disagree on alot; which makes it extra important to listen IMO as insight is precious)

parnoid android-- You should message me or start a thread (if there isn't one already) on the JFK assassination. My mother is a SERIOUS historian and has been collecting every piece of data possible since the zapruder (sp,srry) film and warren commission. (Don't you find it interesting that everyone on that commision went on to SUPER fruitful careers?)

Yea the CIA was involved, no question in my mind. Perhaps Marcellos was the intended "end of the line" patsy in case (the incredibly easy; almost too easy) dots were connected. This I am not sure of.
That episode on Marcellos was on yesterday... and yea of course it left a TON of shit out. Anything not related to marcellos to be precise.

I will not question the Trump narrative as I don't want to be labeled an "extremist" of any kind. Obviously this was a tragedy and is not something to make light of.

I also concede larger caliber larger chance of kill. I do not suspect a conspiracy but one does have to wonder how TF someone could go into something they had to know was a suicide mission of high importance (to him if noone else) without KNOWING you can hit the target. I would never shoot at a human (of course) but I am a plinker at best and can hold that 1"" group at 100 yds (almost always, cold bore outlier etc). I don't know how far this dude was away but he had an elevated position and no obstructions if I understood correctly.

My point is I don't think it mattered what kind of gun this clown was holding he wasn't gunna hit. (exception of luck).

Sure a .50 bmg would have had a better chance. If dude owned a .50 BMG he would likely know how to use it and be like a damn mile away when the shot was made. (only reason I would go to a .50 BMG *is a shot over 300-400yds* other than just havin the chance to shoot one....I am a bit of a gun guy and I have only seen a 50 BMG once; it was in the back of what basically looked like a how do i say 'rape-van' with no seats or windows. This man was literally a member of Blackwater. (Not proud of that at all but it demonstrates my point). *yes it was a Barrett, I only got one trigger pull and at 145 lbs soaking wet didn't really want to pay for more shoulder and ear pain* (Yes prepare to be charged by the bullet if you get to shoot one).

No I do not think this was a conspiracy or have any reason at all to believe that. Just an incredibly frustrating human being who darwinned out. Not a martyr of any damn kind; I really really resent this happening. For all the reasons.
 
LucidSDreamr said:
Bro maga literally invaded the capitol looking for congress ppl to murder and clearly attempted to hand trumps VP as they stated.

They constantly promote military executions for everyone from Pelosi to Hillary.

They’ve murdered many left wing civilians. They attempted to
Murder Paul Pelosi.

They attempted to kill governor whitmer

Nobody is the good guy here gtfo your high horse.
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^ Right. Regardless he sure as hell is going to come off as 'the good guy'.

Surviving a shot to the head and continuing to function has never been held against someone *publicly* to my knowledge? (Im sure that isn't true but I can't think of an example)
 
smokeymcpot42088 said:
Underluca-- I think we are on the exact same page regarding JFK. We should start a thread because the answer isn't that fckin mysterious really is it? ^ditto to the stuff i said to p-android re further more in depth discussion. *edit* (on a side note; you are a smart mofo and one of the people I put more stock in around here, credit where due. We disagree on alot; which makes it extra important to listen IMO as insight is precious)

parnoid android-- You should message me or start a thread (if there isn't one already) on the JFK assassination. My mother is a SERIOUS historian and has been collecting every piece of data possible since the zapruder (sp,srry) film and warren commission. (Don't you find it interesting that everyone on that commision went on to SUPER fruitful careers?)

Yea the CIA was involved, no question in my mind. Perhaps Marcellos was the intended "end of the line" patsy in case (the incredibly easy; almost too easy) dots were connected. This I am not sure of.
That episode on Marcellos was on yesterday... and yea of course it left a TON of shit out. Anything not related to marcellos to be precise.

I will not question the Trump narrative as I don't want to be labeled an "extremist" of any kind. Obviously this was a tragedy and is not something to make light of.

I also concede larger caliber larger chance of kill. I do not suspect a conspiracy but one does have to wonder how TF someone could go into something they had to know was a suicide mission of high importance (to him if noone else) without KNOWING you can hit the target. I would never shoot at a human (of course) but I am a plinker at best and can hold that 1"" group at 100 yds (almost always, cold bore outlier etc). I don't know how far this dude was away but he had an elevated position and no obstructions if I understood correctly.

My point is I don't think it mattered what kind of gun this clown was holding he wasn't gunna hit. (exception of luck).

Sure a .50 bmg would have had a better chance. If dude owned a .50 BMG he would likely know how to use it and be like a damn mile away when the shot was made. (only reason I would go to a .50 BMG *is a shot over 300-400yds* other than just havin the chance to shoot one....I am a bit of a gun guy and I have only seen a 50 BMG once; it was in the back of what basically looked like a how do i say 'rape-van' with no seats or windows. This man was literally a member of Blackwater. (Not proud of that at all but it demonstrates my point). *yes it was a Barrett, I only got one trigger pull and at 145 lbs soaking wet didn't really want to pay for more shoulder and ear pain* (Yes prepare to be charged by the bullet if you get to shoot one).

No I do not think this was a conspiracy or have any reason at all to believe that. Just an incredibly frustrating human being who darwinned out. Not a martyr of any damn kind; I really really resent this happening. For all the reasons.
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*Puts on tinfoil hat*

This all stinks to me.Truth is often stranger than fiction. I don't know what the truth is though and I've already said my piece on potential motives etc...

False flags were pitched to POTUS (specifically JFK) by the CIA including staging Cuban terrorist attacks to give the US Casus Belli to invade Cuba. Obviously JFK told them they were fucking crazy and said no.

Guess what piece of legislation was passed on September 11th, 2001? The Patriot Act (the irony of the name is not lost on me). Literally the day of.

Fun fact: the term "Conspiracy Theory" was coined by the CIA to discredite investigative journalists and other curious folk.

*removes tin foil hat, pops a valium*
 
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BK38 said:
Guess what piece of legislation was passed on September 11th, 2001? The Patriot Act (the irony of the name is not lost on me). Literally the day of.
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When 9/11 happened, Bush's popularity was tanking and the final, comprehensive, recount from Florida was about to come out (showing Gore won).
Many folks believe things like Bush had disguised military jets take out the towers and placed charges at the buildings corners.
Possible, but I don't believe any of that.
But, there are ample leaks that he ignored repeated warnings that terrorist activity was very high and something was up.

There had been many, lesser, terrorist attacks in the years previous, such as the bombing of the Cole (17 dead). People were angry about this.
A strong response to a terrorist attack could and would save Bush's cookies.

It's unlikely that Bush had a clue as to the level of the attack planned. He could have thought it would be a run of the mill terrorist attack.
Do I believe Bush would sacrifice thousands of American lives to help himself politically? I'm pretty jaded, so, maybe, I guess.
But now, do I think Bush would sacrifice 17 or so Americans to help himself politically? Yes, I do. Yup.

"Do it in the name of heaven
You can justify it in the end"

The song and dance that happened after 9/11 with us marching into Iraq less than 2 years later was also just a bit too perfect.
It came to light that the administration had had a plan to "encircle Iran by occupying Iraq and Afghanistan" for some time as well.
That decade's plan 2025, I reckon.
Didn't hurt that they both had all that darn oil.

And, my fellow Americans started telling me on a regular basis that that oil was ours by right since we were bigger and stronger. 'Merica.
 
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BK38 said:
*Puts on tinfoil hat*

This all stinks to me.Truth is often stranger than fiction. I don't know what the truth is though and I've already said my piece on potential motives etc...

False flags were pitched to POTUS (specifically JFK) by the CIA including staging Cuban terrorist attacks to give the US Casus Belli to invade Cuba. Obviously JFK told them they were fucking crazy and said no.

Guess what piece of legislation was passed on September 11th, 2001? The Patriot Act (the irony of the name is not lost on me). Literally the day of.

Fun fact: the term "Conspiracy Theory" was coined by the CIA to discredite investigative journalists and other curious folk.

*removes tin foil hat, pops a valium*
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You believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?? *edit* I may have misinterpreted and thought you were saying conspiracy theories dont exist. good work being cryptic. (no sarcasm)

Generally I agree; conspiracy theories tend to be bullshit. Some are not. Do you think Epstein committed suicide? If not you believe in one by default.

Would you care to place a wager at 2:1 odds in your favor that ol gillaine maxwel (sp who cares) stays alive for over 8 more years? I am broke AF so it wouldn't be a large wager.
 
smokeymcpot42088 said:
You believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?? *edit* I may have misinterpreted and thought you were saying conspiracy theories dont exist. good work being cryptic. (no sarcasm)

Generally I agree; conspiracy theories tend to be bullshit. Some are not. Do you think Epstein committed suicide? If not you believe in one by default.

Would you care to place a wager at 2:1 odds in your favor that ol gillaine maxwel (sp who cares) stays alive for over 8 more years? I am broke AF so it wouldn't be a large wager.
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I don't gamble really and I too am broke af.

But I agree, I do not think LHO acted alone. I also don't think Epstein killed himself. I believe he was a professional extortionist of people of influence and a clandestine power-broker. *re-adjusts tinfoil hat*

Edit: perhaps PM me or start a thread in the Dive, I don't want to derail the thread.
 
BK38 said:
I don't gamble really and I too am broke af.

But I agree, I do not think LHO acted alone. I also don't think Epstein killed himself. I believe he was a professional extortionist of people of influence and a clandestine power-broker. *re-adjusts tinfoil hat*

Edit: perhaps PM me or start a thread in the Dive, I don't want to derail the thread.
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Erm actually he did kill himself, the guards just didn't wanna watch and so they cut the 2 cameras outside his cell to be respectful. Jeez this generation sure can make something out of nothing. I'd kill myself too if I had a bail meeting coming up. Scary stuff.
 
Soso78 said:
Shooter gonna be a weird little leftie.
No gf
No job or shit job
Lives at home with parents
Easily triggered
No mates
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I think I figured Trumpism out. Maybe Hitler's Fascism.
They're offering a return to the pecking order of high school in general society.
Liberals just want to live their life, be left alone, and let Al Bundy relive that touchdown over there.
 
Soso78 said:
Shooter gonna be a weird little leftie.
No gf
No job or shit job
Lives at home with parents
Easily triggered
No mates
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Pure conjecture and it's so evident that you don't discuss/debate in good faith. Show us some proof?

Also, a wee caveat - please don't use a 16 y/o's 15usd donation to a liberal/dem org as proof. People change as they grow older and more aware of how politics function.

The shooter was a registered Republican at 20 years old. That is a FACT. A lot can happen in 4 years and evidence suggests he changed his political stance.

He was obviously a disturbed young man who took a potshot at a presidential candidate. That is about all we can say definitively.
 
BK38 said:
Pure conjecture and it's so evident that you don't discuss/debate in good faith. Show us some proof?

Also, a wee caveat - please don't use a 16 y/o's 15usd donation to a liberal/dem org as proof. People change as they grow older and more aware of how politics function.

The shooter was a registered Republican at 20 years old. That is a FACT. A lot can happen in 4 years and evidence suggests he changed his political stance.

He was obviously a disturbed young man who took a potshot at a presidential candidate. That is about all we can say definitively.
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Yes it was pure conjecture.
I know zero facts about the shooter other than he dead.
 
The mad thing is that if the shooter put one straight through trumps head he would still be more coherent than Biden.
I been watching him lately and it’s absolutely embarrassing.

pretty sure he shits himself randomly.
 
Soso78 said:
The mad thing is that if the shooter put one straight through trumps head he would still be more coherent than Biden.
I been watching him lately and it’s absolutely embarrassing.

pretty sure he shits himself randomly.
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And Trump's a traitor who wants to rob us of our choice in the next election.
And there's our quandary, no?
 


No one is inciting or encouraging unhinged individuals to act with violence like Trump did on Jan 6th, right ?

Jack Black says this at a recent show ...

This is what tolerance looks like in 2024 I guess...
 
Cheshire_Kat said:


No one is inciting or encouraging unhinged individuals to act with violence like Trump did on Jan 6th, right ?

Jack Black says this at a recent show ...

This is what tolerance looks like in 2024 I guess...
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As a liberal, left wing, bedwetter, I can never remember if I'm supposed to be a pussy snowflake or a violent maniac.
 
Soso78 said:
Can u explain what u mean?
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Sure. He tried to steal the last election.

Trump fake electors plot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
As one example.

The intent of the scheme was to pass the fraudulent certificates to then-vice president Mike Pence in the hope he would count them, rather than the authentic certificates, and thus overturn Joe Biden's victory. This scheme was defended by a fringe legal theory developed by Trump attorneys Kenneth Chesebro and John Eastman, detailed in the Eastman memos, which claimed a vice president has the constitutional discretion to swap official electors with an alternate slate during the certification process, thus changing the outcome of the electoral college vote and the overall winner of the presidential race. The scheme came to be known as the Pence Card. By June 2024, dozens of Republican state officials and Trump associates had been indicted in five states for their alleged involvement. The federal Smith special counsel investigation is investigating Trump's role in the events. Testimony has revealed that Trump was fully aware of the fake electors scheme, and knew that Eastman's plan for Pence to obstruct the certification of electoral votes was a violation of the Electoral Count Act.[2][3]
 
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