Collecting the sap from opium poppy pods

[Master blaster1982]

I have a pretty big opie tollerance and would like to try this maybe for break threw pain or just a nice buzz can anyone recommend wat and where to buy and how much i would need to feel it pretty good. Does any stores actually sell it i live in sc but am kinda weiry of where to buy... But is it worth doing if i have a really high tolly to opes?? Anyways as much advice and help as i can get ill take. Thanks

J

 

[Tranced]

^Nobody at bluelight can tell you where to buy drugs ( not to mention that most of us are a few thousand miles from america!). Anyway, that's really not what the website is about.

I personally just found them growing in my garden and put them in a smoothie. The latex thing is a fuck on, so you might as well just blend & eat them, although I've heard a tea is most effective. They take about four hours to come on IME, although I really don't enjoy them.

Anyway, dosing info is here; it would be safest to grind them together and titrate up, weighing out your doses. That way you won't have such a contrast between strong/weak pods.
https://erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy_info4.shtml

 

[juansalar]

Removed my post because it's not accurate. I will correct and repost.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Removed my post because it's not accurate. I will correct and repost.

Surprised you didn't get your aunt busted - slit pods would be the first thing the police would look for...

 

[CrazyToe]

you need a 1 acre sized field of poppies to get 1g of opium ooze and a load of Afghans who will work for 2 pence a day.

I once grew about 50, and collecte

you need a 1 acre sized field of poppies to get 1g of opium ooze and a load of Afghans who will work for 2 pence a day.

I once grew about 50, and collected a tiny blob out of all, liked id picked my nose, the weather had been perfect throughout the seeding and growing season too..

d a tiny blob out of all, liked id picked my nose, the weather had been perfect throughout the seeding and growing season too..

All you need is 30 medium size pods and you'll get a hell of a lot more than just 1gm This fools pods must of been the size of a grape and have no idea what the FCK he's doing!
But my 4x8 foot planter grew 35 plants with no less than 12 golf ball or tennis ball size pods and if you let them swell for 10- 14 days it's time!

 

[CrazyToe]

no it doesnt need to be attached to work. just use a pin to slice down the pod, not too deep, maybe 1mm maximum. just enough for the sap to come out, but not enough so the opium leaks into the incision.

it's totally NOT worth the fuck on to do it though, just make tea. i made a little and smoked it of foil and it did work, but it's not worth the effort imo.

Are you sure?

 

[CrazyToe]

Most people sieve out the solid grounds. But if you can stomach them, swallow them and keep it down you'll be getting all the more alkaloids with absolutely nothing wasted. Needs simmering below 80 degrees c for 20 minutes. Too high a temp will destroy the alkaloids.

Isemene your pods must have been shite or you have no opiate receptors. A 100 tennis ball sized pods would kill most people ten times over. at the height of my habit i think i used 6 big dark pods iirc, and sometimes used the leftover sieved grounds from the previous batch for the second pass through as the base for the next batch of 6 fresh poppies. This increased the potency a LOT and i got supremely wasted doing that. I got a HR bollocking for saying that on here a while ago, so dont try it w/o a pretty big tolerance. I only did it once or twice as it probably is quite dangerous.

Nothing simmers at anything less than 150° You knuckle!

 

[CrazyToe]

Anyone who grows pods knows that slitting n smoking is too much effort for little reward tea is more generous

What! It's Definitely worth it if you have yourself and a friend or two and if you know what the hell you are doing!

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

Nothing simmers at anything less than 150° You knuckle!

Are we confusing Celsius and Fahrenheit here? 100 C is the BOILING point of water, so 80 would give you a simmer.

 

[Bleaney]

I've never fully understood this process/been able to make it work, and I noticed some opium poppies today so thought I'd have another shot.

Can anybody:

1. Explain how you make the slit in a poppy head to collect the sap and
2. Give an answer on whether the opium poppy head needs to be attached to the plant in order for it to work?

Cheers

I know this reply is 9 years late, but still the thread has been revived.

The slits need to be very light, no more than scratches really, and then if all is well you should start to see droplets of creamy ooze forming.

As far as I understand it, the plants do still need to be live and in the ground when this is done, as the ooze is basically the plant trying to heal itself from the scratch. I don't understand how it could do that if it was a disembodied stem.

It's meant to be best done of an evening IIRC.

I tried on a small number last year, and soome oozed really well, some didnt ooze anything I have no idea why some did and some didnt.

I agree that using the pods for tea is a lot easier and a lot less faff. Even if anyone does manage to collect enough opium, smoking it is an expert art form from what i gather, although you could make a brew out of it easily enough.

I've tried growing some poppies this year, and as last year many got destroyed by slugs I decided that this year I wouldnt thin them out, assuming that the slugs would do that for me. As they did on previous attempts, after I'd thinned them out, meaning I ended up with even less.

This year the slugs havent touched the poppies but instead have been going after plants they're not supposed to like or to eat!! Unpredctable bastards that they are. This has meant that the unthinned-out poppies look like they are going to produce tiny flowers and pods. This is not what happened on timelapse videos ive seen on youtube, although i know the usual advice is to thin them out, or you risk exactly this happening.

It might also have been the Nematode treatment (a paraiste which attacks only slugs underground and multiplies whenever they manage to kill a slug, so the more slugs you have the more nematodes you will have) which I applied to the entire area at the seedling stage really worked, as slug numbers in general seem to have been a lot less.

Lessons learnt this year: nematodes do actually seem to work. Do not plant the poppies too densly or fail to thin them out. (I already knew this in theory but wanted to see what happens if you fail to do this.)

The variety I've grown this year are very fast growers, but as the weather has been so abysmal for like 80% of their short life I'm not expecting good results even from the pods that were grown with plenty of space.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

I know this reply is 9 years late, but still the thread has been revived.

The slits need to be very light, no more than scratches really, and then if all is well you should start to see droplets of creamy ooze forming.

As far as I understand it, the plants do still need to be live and in the ground when this is done, as the ooze is basically the plant trying to heal itself from the scratch. I don't understand how it could do that if it was a disembodied stem.

It's meant to be best done of an evening IIRC.

I tried on a small number last year, and soome oozed really well, some didnt ooze anything I have no idea why some did and some didnt.

I agree that using the pods for tea is a lot easier and a lot less faff. Even if anyone does manage to collect enough opium, smoking it is an expert art form from what i gather, although you could make a brew out of it easily enough.

I've tried growing some poppies this year, and as last year many got destroyed by slugs I decided that this year I wouldnt thin them out, assuming that the slugs would do that for me. As they did on previous attempts, after I'd thinned them out, meaning I ended up with even less.

This year the slugs havent touched the poppies but instead have been going after plants they're not supposed to like or to eat!! Unpredctable bastards that they are. This has meant that the unthinned-out poppies look like they are going to produce tiny flowers and pods. This is not what happened on timelapse videos ive seen on youtube, although i know the usual advice is to thin them out, or you risk exactly this happening.

It might also have been the Nematode treatment (a paraiste which attacks only slugs underground and multiplies whenever they manage to kill a slug, so the more slugs you have the more nematodes you will have) which I applied to the entire area at the seedling stage really worked, as slug numbers in general seem to have been a lot less.

Lessons learnt this year: nematodes do actually seem to work. Do not plant the poppies too densly or fail to thin them out. (I already knew this in theory but wanted to see what happens if you fail to do this.)

The variety I've grown this year are very fast growers, but as the weather has been so abysmal for like 80% of their short life I'm not expecting good results even from the pods that were grown with plenty of space.

Good old-fashioned beer traps work well for slugs. Cut a plastic water bottle in half, dig a hole in the ground to fit that, and fill with beer. Slugs will be attracted to it, fall in and drown. Disgusting to get rid of the result but it works.
I also scatter fine gravel and sheep's wool around the plants. They don't like to crawl over gravel as it's uncomfortable, nor wool fibres as they get stuck on them. Plus the sheep's wool rots down for an added soil enricher.

 

[Bleaney]

The lack of slugs this year lulled me into complacency, which I should have known is a huge mistake, because before I knew it I had a massive infestation of aphids / green fly, which is annoying to say the least.

I've removed loads and crushed loads of the little bastards by hand and given everything a thorough spraying with a chemical insecticide.

I don't know if I can be arsed with all this anymore tbh, they are quite a high maintenance plant to grow and look after and if the weather is shit throughout the growing season (and there seems to be at least a 50:50 chance that it will be) any pods that actually grow probably arent going up to much any way.

You really need time to daily or at least several times a week keep an eye on the plants, leave it a few days and they can get decimated.

It'l doubtless be much easier just to buy the dried pods that someone else has grown, if only I could find a good source, and best sticking to growing them when I have time to do it properly, otherwise it's kind of a waste of time and effort, if you don't have time or are not organised enough to keep on top of everything all the time.

 

[coolbreeze920]

Are you sure?

I just grew some this spring and harvested, what I thought was a decent amount, of some gum, dried it out and put it on foil and was disappointed. I got maybe 5-6 decent hits and didn't really feel anything. So I'm here now, trying to find a good tea recipe to try with the rest of my pods.

 

[Bleaney]

I just grew some this spring and harvested, what I thought was a decent amount, of some gum, dried it out and put it on foil and was disappointed. I got maybe 5-6 decent hits and didn't really feel anything. So I'm here now, trying to find a good tea recipe to try with the rest of my pods.

The simplest recipe works just fine. Grind the pods down to a powder in a coffee grinder etc. Mix the powder with lemon juice in a large pan. Add water a couple of minutes off the boil. Steep as long as possible (I usually leave overnight)

I always do quite big batches each time. Which = 1 grinder full of hand broken pod pieces. About 75ml of lemon juice, and a full kettle of water.

Has always worked a treat.

I know there are more complicated and more technical extraction methods, but I don't see the point, when the simplest method is perfectly effective.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

The lack of slugs this year lulled me into complacency, which I should have known is a huge mistake, because before I knew it I had a massive infestation of aphids / green fly, which is annoying to say the least.

I've removed loads and crushed loads of the little bastards by hand and given everything a thorough spraying with a chemical insecticide.

I don't know if I can be arsed with all this anymore tbh, they are quite a high maintenance plant to grow and look after and if the weather is shit throughout the growing season (and there seems to be at least a 50:50 chance that it will be) any pods that actually grow probably arent going up to much any way.

You really need time to daily or at least several times a week keep an eye on the plants, leave it a few days and they can get decimated.

It'l doubtless be much easier just to buy the dried pods that someone else has grown, if only I could find a good source, and best sticking to growing them when I have time to do it properly, otherwise it's kind of a waste of time and effort, if you don't have time or are not organised enough to keep on top of everything all the time.

For all the years I was growing them, I never had any issues with pest damage and never had to do any maintenance at all except for a bit of thinning out.

I would avoid insecticides though mate, aphids can be easily dealt with by adding a couple of drops of washing up liquid in water and spraying it all over the plant. It makes it hard for them to adhere.

 

[Bleaney]

For all the years I was growing them, I never had any issues with pest damage and never had to do any maintenance at all except for a bit of thinning out.

I would avoid insecticides though mate, aphids can be easily dealt with by adding a couple of drops of washing up liquid in water and spraying it all over the plant. It makes it hard for them to adhere.

You must have been very lucky. I had a blackfly infestation last year which destroyed a couple of plants as well as slugs wiping out maybe another 15% or more.

I think I may have caught the greenfly just in time, most of the plants looks like they might be ok now I've killed all visible greenfly.

The one that looks like it might have had it, had already formed aa good sized and fully ripe pod. It could have produced several more pods, but it's unlikely to do that now. Judging by it's very unhealthy, half dead appearace.

I don't like using chemical insecticides, and this one has a really nasty chemical smell, but according to the box it is approved for use on all types of food crops, including tomatoes and apples etc.

You just have to not use it for 1-2 weeks before picking the crops. It's extremely effective also. There were so many greenfly even if I'd tried washing up liquid on the plant leaves, they'd have all ended up in the soil, and might have gone after the roots then. (This is how blackfly destoyed some of my plants last year.)

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

You must have been very lucky. I had a blackfly infestation last year which destroyed a couple of plants as well as slugs wiping out maybe another 15% or more.

I think I may have caught the greenfly just in time, most of the plants looks like they might be ok now I've killed all visible greenfly.

The one that looks like it might have had it, had already formed aa good sized and fully ripe pod. It could have produced several more pods, but it's unlikely to do that now. Judging by it's very unhealthy, half dead appearace.

I don't like using chemical insecticides, and this one has a really nasty chemical smell, but according to the box it is approved for use on all types of food crops, including tomatoes and apples etc.

You just have to not use it for 1-2 weeks before picking the crops. It's extremely effective also. There were so many greenfly even if I'd tried washing up liquid on the plant leaves, they'd have all ended up in the soil, and might have gone after the roots then. (This is how blackfly destoyed some of my plants last year.)

Yeh, I must have been lucky. I think my apple tree took the brunt of the aphid infestations. But for some reason, slugs never bothered with my poppies.

I've not grown any poppies for a couple of years now after moving house, but I'm working on it.

In the meantime, I've been concentrating on 'conventional' gardening - sunflowers, jasmine, honeysuckle, morning glory, fuschias, etc. etc.

Got three cheeky autoflowers on the go though...


(Just trying not to piss the Mrs. off, otherwise she'll rip them up like she did last year )

 

[axe battler]

Yeh, I must have been lucky. I think my apple tree took the brunt of the aphid infestations. But for some reason, slugs never bothered with my poppies.

I've not grown any poppies for a couple of years now after moving house, but I'm working on it.

In the meantime, I've been concentrating on 'conventional' gardening - sunflowers, jasmine, honeysuckle, morning glory, fuschias, etc. etc.

Got three cheeky autoflowers on the go though...


(Just trying not to piss the Mrs. off, otherwise she'll rip them up like she did last year )

Youve got an apple tree?
You must be a lot gayer than I thought Fubz.
Make some real cider!
I would love to have a poppy garden when I'm off the methadone.
They're growing everywhere in unkempt front yards near me, but I dont think the alkaloid content is very high, as even when I wasnt on methadone I got limited effects. Definitely fwlt them but no nodding or anything.

 

[Bleaney]

Yeah, @F.U.B.A.R. sounds quite middle class with his apple tree, sunflowers, jasmine, honeysuckle, morning glory, fuschias, etc. etc.

I get the strong impression that he won't like being called middle class though . Personally I don't know whether it's an insult or a compliment to be called middle class lol, and it seems to me that a lot of working class folk (such as myself) are middle class in at least some respects, whether it's their 'cultural interests', educational levels and articulacy, hobbies etc....

But the economic and employment prospects over the last few decades have been generally so bleak in the UK (and elsewhere in the world like the USA) that the middle class has definitely been shrinking massively, rather than expanding as it was in earlier decades. I mean this especially in terms of being able to get into the middle class occupations and professions. Upward mobility has been so much more limited. My sister made it, but I didn't. For many different reasons!

It seems to me that the British class system is a hell of a lot more nuanced and complicated than the American class system, and where the UK takes many cultural, social, and other things into account, the USA bases the whole thing entirely on income. Which seems massively over simplistic to me, and fails to take so many important things into account.

(I guess this should have gone into the voting thread, but the cue for me to respond to came up in this thread instead)

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Yeah, @F.U.B.A.R. sounds quite middle class with his apple tree, sunflowers, jasmine, honeysuckle, morning glory, fuschias, etc. etc.

I get the strong impression that he won't like being called middle class though

I never have been, nor ever will be, fuckin middle class! I'm just getting old.

Anyway, most of the so called 'middle class' are just working class cunts with a bit of money and ideas above their station.