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Israel is under attack

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Saliah massacre
Deir Yassin massacre
Lydda massacre
Tantura massacre
Abu shusha massacre
Al Dawaima massacre
 
daturetard said:
The support you gave evidence of being enlisted was humanitarian support. Isreal is being given easily 10x the worth of all of that help combined in weaponry. Not the same kind of support at all.
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daturetard said:
Isreal absolutely did impose. The land was already inhabited, and therefore a large number of the people native there were forced to move away from the area. Just because non Jewish people can move between Arab countries and Isreal now does not mean that when it was taken by British that was the case. Inhabitants were removed.
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You also never provided the actual comparison I asked for; western military help for Palestine vs Isreal.
That's 3
 
mal3volent said:
Discussing the individual "massacres" is pointless. Both sides can say "yeah, but what about..." and it's just a big waste of time.
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Not really a waste of time to talk about individual massacres when we're only going back 70 years and have the accurate history of aggressive behavior at our fingertips.
 
Madness said:
Hey, trigger warning I am ignorant, you have the freedom to ignore me, however I'd appreciate a reply. Please note I am a bit sensitive to things such as annoying noises, some textures, and intimate physical touch:

Is "maybe" good enough here? Maybe Israel with all their allies won't pummel the middle east into the ground?
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Israel could have killed every living thing in Gaza a long time ago, at any point, if that's what they wanted to do. But they don't. They want the Palestinians to elect a legitimate government that doesn't want to exterminate Jewish people. Who don't break into their country to commit mass rape, murder, and kidnapping.

Extending that to the entire Middle East is pretty wild. Israel has good relations with other countries. It's pretty much just Iran and it's proxies who are causing most of this unrest.

My best advice man if you are truly interested in the subject is to seek out opinions on all sides of the issue with an open mind and evaluate the facts. See who seems more reasonable. I've watched probably over 100 hours of debates, speeches, etc + many hours of arguing with others online about it.

I have changed my mind on all kinds of issues in my life. I am not an ideologue. Not left or right. On topics I care about, I care about being informed.

I care about promoting Democratic societies that believe in pluralism, the rule of law, equal rights, etc. I am very adamantly opposed to cultures that promote things such as this:

www.metroweekly.com

9 Gay Men to be Crucified and Stoned to Death in Yemen

A second Houthi court sentenced 13 students to death and ordered others to be flogged for "spreading homosexuality."
www.metroweekly.com www.metroweekly.com
 
If Israel goes full out killing everyone then they know the rest of the world will definitely be against them

Much of what they do is to manage optics and maintain approval to keep the support of the US
 
daturetard said:
You also never provided the actual comparison I asked for; western military help for Palestine vs Isreal.
That's 3
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Jesus Christ, if you want the actual numbers google it yourself. I'm not your dancing monkey.
I addressed the key points of how you lied about Palestine not receiving any western aid.
Then I discussed why we invest so heavily into Israel.
What more do you want?
Take a little initiative yourself.
 
daturetard said:
Not really a waste of time to talk about individual massacres when we're only going back 70 years and have the accurate history of aggressive behavior at our fingertips.
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accurate according to you. Not accurate according to others. See the problem. :)
 
mal3volent said:
accurate according to you. Not accurate according to others. See the problem.
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Still dancing. Not making an actual point here. I showed you events and you haven't.
mal3volent said:
Jesus Christ, if you want the actual numbers google it yourself. I'm not your dancing monkey.
I addressed the key points of how you lied about Palestine not receiving any western aid.
Then I discussed why we invest so heavily into Israel.
What more do you want?
Take a little initiative yourself.
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You asked for three things you didn't answer. I showed you three :)
 
mal3volent said:
Listen, the image is about how when the Arabs take an area of land that doesn't belong to them, that's just how it is and nothing is ever said by anyone especially the free Palestine folk. Nothing to say ever in their lives about non white colonialism. Nothing to say about any of the actual genocides that have occurred. But as soon as Israel pops up on their Current Thing radar, they become radical activists blocking highways and marching in the streets.

Israel "occupies" tiny speck of blue land = evil apartheid Holocaust ethnic cleansing nazis!!!
arab Muslims dominate large portions of two continents = *crickets*
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Every sensible person already hates all things arab. Okay that's a slight exaggeration but you get it. We already have the arab world pinned down as war-mongering woman hating narcissists sitting on oil. This doesn't mean the jewish nation Israel is any good whatsoever. They're both shit.

You didn't answer my question. Are you talking about other occupations way back through history? Or is there something we should know about the current state of events? I guess if there was an actual strong point it would've been mentioned. So i guess you're simply comparing post WW2 events with old history stuff which is still as disingenuous.
 
Mjäll said:
We already have the arab world pinned down as war-mongering woman hating narcissists sitting on oil.
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Do we? In America, the far right wing likes them because they are unapologetic about wanting to establish a theocracy, they hate minorities, etc. The left likes them because they view them as revolutionary comrades, eager to topple the white colonialist machine.

I don't think leftists have many criticisms of them at all, to be honest. Every deficiency they have was caused by western interference, and they should not be blamed. They have no agency over themselves. Just victims of white supremacist capitalism.

Mjäll said:
You didn't answer my question. Are you talking about other occupations way back through history? Or is there something we should know about the current state of events? I guess if there was an actual strong point it would've been mentioned. So i guess you're simply comparing post WW2 events with old history stuff which is still as disingenuous.
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It is only "disingenuous" if you can explain to me why a 80 year old conflict matters but why 150 year old ones don't. Or 200 years. Etc. my reasoning has been very clear and consistent and as far as I know I've made a much bigger effort to answer all points comprehensively than anyone else.

It doesn't matter how many times you say I didn't answer this or that. My track record in this thread is documented for all to see. No one has put more into their posts. I stand by everything I've said and I'm confident in my reasoning.
 
daturetard said:
Saliah massacre
Deir Yassin massacre
Lydda massacre
Tantura massacre
Abu shusha massacre
Al Dawaima massacre
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guaranteed you don't know shit about any of these without going back to the Wikipedia page you got them from.
but hooray for you, your research skillz are unparalleled.
 
mal3volent said:
I don't think leftists have many criticisms of them at all, to be honest. Every deficiency they have was caused by western interference, and they should not be blamed. They have no agency over themselves. Just victims of white supremacist capitalism.
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Leftists definitely criticize middle eastern nations on many aspects, not only theocracy but oppression of women, outright slavery, corruption, and various other humans rights abuses. Sure there are some radlibs who are off their rockers but many leftists have criticisms for many other countries including China and many other places. There is no country without flaws and they all have different positives factors. No country or ideology is beyond criticism
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Leftists definitely criticize middle eastern nations on many aspects, not only theocracy but oppression of women, outright slavery, corruption, and various other humans rights abuses. Sure there are some radlibs who are off their rockers but many leftists have criticisms for many other countries including China and many other places. There is no country without flaws and they all have different positives factors. No country or ideology is beyond criticism
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Leftist implies radicalism in my mind. Radlibs, tankies, etc.
You can't go two seconds without seeing communist propaganda posted on most discord servers these days
 
Leftist implies people who are actually on the left, not centrists like the current US democrat party that calls themselves liberals. They're all capitalists
 
Why on earth would I support a system which enables people to exploit the labor of others purely to enrich themselves, although this is pretty off topic for this thread. I've made my views on politics and the structure of the economy pretty clear in other threads
 
someguyontheinternet said:
Why on earth would I support a system which enables people to exploit the labor of others purely to enrich themselves, although this is pretty off topic for this thread. I've made my views on politics and the structure of the economy pretty clear in other threads
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It's not completely off topic. It relates back to what we were talking about before. Glad to hear no one can exploit labor in communist countries though. 🤭
 
Well now you're just putting words in my post

The structure of capitalism encourages exploitation, the structure of socialism is designed to prevent it
 
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