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Pissed_and_messed said:
Zionists stole the land that has been fought over 1000 years or so, dunno exactly. They pushed palestinians to this little zone and they've been doing all sorts of stuff to kill them, destroy their culture and generally just make their lives next to impossible. Few people left there are largely miserable and some radicalize and turn into hamas which operates in that area.

So mostly it is just zionists entitled behaviour. I am not well-versed in character of Hamas but it is apparently shitty organization, like every other organization humans ever come up with.
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Blaming "Zionists" for everything bad in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is way too simplistic. Yes, the situation for Palestinians under occupation is really tough, but pinning all the blame on one group ignores the complexity of the issue and the roles of other players.

Hamas' actions aren't just reactions to Zionism; they have their own motives, and their tactics have hurt both Israelis and Palestinians. It's important to realize that multiple sides are keeping the cycle of violence going, and recognizing this can help create a more productive conversation aimed at improving lives on both sides.

By understanding the historical struggles and current issues faced by both Israelis and Palestinians, we can get a clearer picture of the conflict and work towards a fair and just solution for everyone.
 
mal3volent said:
So ok, we had UNRWA members participate in the Oct 7 attacks and Al Jazeera "journalists" participate in hostage taking. This is good information to have.

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Is it just a coincidence that she's young and pretty, and he just happens to look like he's a registered sex offender in multiple countries? Coincidence, surely.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
happens to look like? We have reached new level of whataboutism.
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Whataboutism

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. According to Russian writer, chess grandmaster and political activist...
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Deru said:
Hamas' actions aren't just reactions to Zionism; they have their own motives, and their tactics have hurt both Israelis and Palestinians. It's important to realize that multiple sides are keeping the cycle of violence going, and recognizing this can help create a more productive conversation aimed at improving lives on both sides.
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Look at what has happened with Ukraine, it is an apt parallel. The West fomented the situation by dicking around through MI6 and the CIA, destabilising Ukraine throughout the 2010-2020 period, and providing the overt justification for Putin to intervene. And yet.. Putin is a 'young global leader'. The whole thing is a contrivance. Theatre.

Take a step back and look at Israel. If you wanted to wipe out the majority of the Jewish people (religion), what better way to do it than shove them all into one area and antagonize an opposing religion to create a reciprocating violent cycle until it's inevitable culmination.

Cui bono? - a hint in itself. Who is the third party in all of this madness who remains unscathed and profits from it. Who didn't even recognise Israel until 90's, and who said nothing when Jew's were kidnapped from their doorstep and sent to their deaths in Nazi Germany. And who it may be revealed, if we could search their archives, are the party responsible for creating Islam in the first place as a geopolitical weapon.

We get so hypnotized by two people punching each other inside the ring we forget the true winner is actually the external third party organising and profiting from the violence.
 
mal3volent said:
you know this girl was most likely raped, right?
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I don't know that she was most likely raped, but I guess I can take your word for it.

if she was raped should I care more about her being raped than any of the other thousands if not hundreds of thousands of rapes that occur daily?

the honest answer is I kind of do bc she is cuter than your average rape victim, that doesn't take away from the horror that I feel for the other women. I just care more about this particular one I guess because I saw her picture and now I should care.
 
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JahBeeuS said:
I don't know that she was most likely raped, but I guess I can take your word for it.
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So what do you think the odds are then? A young, (apparently) attractive girl is kidnapped and held prisoner by terrorists for 8 months. There have been other documented cases of rape by the same group. You have to take my word for it?

JahBeeuS said:
if she was raped should I care more about her being raped than any of the other thousands if not hundreds of thousands of rapes that occur daily?
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when did I say anything that implied that?

JahBeeuS said:
the honest answer is I kind of do bc she is cuter than your average rape victim, that doesn't take away from the horror that I feel for the other women. I just care more about this particular one I guess because I saw her picture and now I should care.
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The reason I quoted your post was because it kind of makes me sick to see that kind of response. Whether you were being totally literal or serious with your words or not. "You only care because she's cute. Cuter than your average rape victim." I don't know that I buy that you legitimately feel horror for any of them if you can make comments like those, jokingly or otherwise.
 
Ask yourself this question... When was the last time there was peace in the middle east ? Over 7000 years ago ? It's highly unlikely that there will be peace in the middle east even a 1000 years from now.
 
mal3volent said:
So what do you think the odds are then? A young, (apparently) attractive girl is kidnapped and held prisoner by terrorists for 8 months. There have been other documented cases of rape by the same group. You have to take my word for it?



when did I say anything that implied that?



The reason I quoted your post was because it kind of makes me sick to see that kind of response. Whether you were being totally literal or serious with your words or not. "You only care because she's cute. Cuter than your average rape victim." I don't know that I buy that you legitimately feel horror for any of them if you can make comments like those, jokingly or otherwise.
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I guess my point is that she is almost as photogenic as the dude in this clip

mal3volent said:
From the area where the hostages were rescued by the IDF, a healthy young man with a fresh fade and cleanly dressed wound cries that there are terrorists trapped and unable to be rescued. :violin:

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someguyontheinternet said:
Israel has not provided evidence for their claim that UNRWA members participated in Oct 7

www.theguardian.com

US intelligence casts doubt on Israeli claims of UNRWA-Hamas links, report says

Intel report says some accusations that aid workers participated in Hamas attacks credible but could not be independently verified
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.haaretz.com

UNRWA chief: Waiting for Israel's evidence on Hamas infiltration of Gaza employees

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Dude do you even read the articles you post?

According to the Wall Street Journal, the intelligence report, released last week, assessed with “low confidence” that a handful of staff had participated in the attack, indicating that it considered the accusations to be credible though it could not independently confirm their veracity.
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The report literally said that their conclusion is that the accusations are credible, and that they have assessed with low confidence that these people did participate in the attacks. Low confidence doesn't mean no confidence.

What they cast doubt on is the idea that Hamas and UNRWA are actively linked and coordinating with each other to commit terrorism. No one in this thread ever claimed that.

My claim is that a multitude of UN actions and inactions since this whole thing began demonstrates at least cold indifference, at most moral complicity with Hamas. If they employ these people and allow their buildings to be used for nefarious purposes, then you have actual alleged involvement by individuals that has been deemed credible... I take all these things together and judge them accordingly.
 
someguyontheinternet said:

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First of all, it is annoying that you post multiple articles citing the same source.

Secondly, this is the same defense literally everyone who has ever been questioned uses. I was coerced, I swear!!! The UNRWA basically investigated themselves and determined they did nothing wrong. Amazing stuff. A+ for accountability as well.
 
JahBeeuS said:
I guess my point is that she is almost as photogenic as the dude in this clip
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What does that even mean? My comment about his fresh haircut and dressed wound was directed at the widespread reports of children literally starving to death due to lack of resources. One of two things are true: these reports are false, or Hamas are hoarding shit and allowing innocent people to suffer.
 
This war is going to be ugly for decades to come, whatever happens.

Is Israel going to have another 20 year "war on terrorism" like three US did? It seems absurd to repeat that.

Why are humans killing each other over religion in 21st century?
 
mal3volent said:
Dude do you even read the articles you post?



The report literally said that their conclusion is that the accusations are credible, and that they have assessed with low confidence that these people did participate in the attacks. Low confidence doesn't mean no confidence.

What they cast doubt on is the idea that Hamas and UNRWA are actively linked and coordinating with each other to commit terrorism. No one in this thread ever claimed that.

My claim is that a multitude of UN actions and inactions since this whole thing began demonstrates at least cold indifference, at most moral complicity with Hamas. If they employ these people and allow their buildings to be used for nefarious purposes, then you have actual alleged involvement by individuals that has been deemed credible... I take all these things together and judge them accordingly.
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"could not independently confirm their veracity."

That puts them in the position of being very doubtful, its likely that one of Israel's AI systems flagged them for who knows what reason because its a black box with zero traceability or accountability. Israel does have a history of coercing confessions so the fact that UNRWA's staffing agency claims that is no surprise
 
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