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mal3volent said:
it wasn't a religious conflict like Israel/Palestine
that fact is not relevant

There is no reality where the persecution of white Christian middle easterners by another group of white middle easterners galvanizes the youth into hunger strikes at universities across the West. Period.
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You had literally said Christians but I guess that's not important anymore?
mal3volent said:
Allowing conservatives health care in your own country is not the same as saying you'd give a shit about Palestine if they were white Christians.

Tell me with a straight face that the Free Palestine movement would exist if they were white Christians getting bombed by Israel.
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Why would you even list that if you believe it wasn't a factor?
 
someguyontheinternet said:
You had literally said Christians but I guess that's not important anymore?

Why would you even list that if you believe it wasn't a factor?
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my hypothetical was very specific. You can choose to engage with it or not. But splicing words off and going off on tangents based on your own faulty interpretation isn't helpful.
 

United Nations cuts estimates of women, children deaths in Gaza war in half​

WASHINGTON ― The United Nations reduced estimates for the number of women and children killed during Israel's war in Gaza by nearly half, inviting new scrutiny for figures that come from the militant group Hamas.

Of the 34,735 people who have died in Gaza since the war began, according to data published May 6 by the UN, more than 9,500 were women and more than 14,500 were children.

But in updated data published two days later on May 8, the UN significantly reduced the figures to 4,959 women and 7,797 children among the 34,844 people reportedly killed in Gaza.

The UN cites data from the Gaza Ministry of Health, controlled by Hamas, to produce casualty figures. The UN reports come with a disclaimer that says, "The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures."
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www.usatoday.com

United Nations cuts estimates of women, children deaths in Gaza war in half

The United Nations reduced by half the number of women and children estimated to have been killed during Israel's war in Gaza.
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mal3volent said:
As soon as Hamas releases the hostages, if any are left alive, the bloodshed will stop.
But better to blame Israel I suppose. Rather than the side who objectively escalated things on Oct 7 by targeting civilians in a massive terror attack. Makes sense.
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No way, dude. Bombing the shit out of the place and turning it into a warzone is not an act of concern for hostages. This is all lashing out at the tragedy of October 7th (which, yes, is an escalation caused completely by Hamas with no practical purpose, before you start screeching about how I love Hamas and never place the appropriate blame on it). Releasing the hostages won't end anything, not on either side.
 
Both Biden and Netanyahoo promised a ceasefire if Hamas released the hostages, as they have promised for the last several months.

Hamas probably already murdered their hostages. They're bluffing that any are left and love getting more Palestinians killed in their Jihad war.

Hamas wants this war more than Israel.

That's not my opinion, that's literally what Hamas said.
 
Antares said:
Releasing the hostages won't end anything, not on either side.
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sorry but that is just not true.
the release of all hostages would be the necessary starting point for any cease fire deal.

and I don't screech about 10/7 unless you give me reason to. So there was no need for the preemptive rebuttal.
I assume the average person sees it for what it was.
 
The only thing I know about your general behavior is that you're very defensive about this issue, and probably look at news related to it far too much to be healthy. I'm not going to expect someone in that state of mind to automatically give me that grace when I know there are so many people out there who never give Hamas the shit it deserves. That stuff from idiots throws people off, especially if they're already deeply invested in the issue the way you are.

And it might cause a temporary ceasefire (and I really think this only because of international pressure tbh), but ultimately we'll end up right back where we started because we're still using the same strategies to deal with it.
 
Antares said:
The only thing I know about your general behavior is that you're very defensive about this issue, and probably look at news related to it far too much to be healthy
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In other words, I've made an effort to educate myself on the issue and am comfortable arguing points with people in a forum created to discuss politics. I consume content from both sides. I know the talking points. I guess that's being "defensive"? Because I have an opinion?

I think the bigger problem are those who barely inform themselves at all but have super strong opinions anyway.
 
Going on social media to obsess about school protests instead of the actual conflict and constantly posting about every thing you found out here is not healthy educating yourself.

The defensiveness isn't from the amount that you post, it's from how you post. You're literally doing it right now. :/ I guess it's more justified now since that could have been seen as an attack, but you also act that way when you reply to people over things that could never be seen as personal attacks or criticism against you. At least in this thread.
 
Antares said:
Going on social media to obsess about school protests instead of the actual conflict and constantly posting about every thing you found out here is not healthy educating yourself.

The defensiveness isn't from the amount that you post, it's from how you post. You're literally doing it right now. :/ I guess it's more justified now since that could have been seen as an attack, but you also act that way when you reply to people over things that could never be seen as personal attacks or criticism against you. At least in this thread.
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Thank you for the unsolicited psychoanalysis. I really appreciate that.
I'm just here to talk about the subject of this thread.
I take no offense. When people resort to these tactics it usually means they don't have a good command of the facts and don't want to engage in good faith. Or they just can't.
 
Bro, chill out. It is not a tactic. What argument do you think it could be a tactic for at this point? This all stemmed from you saying "I would never assume something bad of someone!" as a response to my own pre-emptive defensiveness. I was explaining to you why I acted that way initially. It didn't have to turn into this, you know.
 
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