Was the Vaccine Designed to kill

[AlsoTapered]

Loading…

www.mohfw.gov.in

Their is a lot of data out there. Above is the Indian Ministry of Health figures. The main reason I chose it is that it's an index paper i.e. it cites and is cited by a huge number of academic papers so if you put it into a search engine, it will bring up hundreds of relevant papers.

In a nation of 1.4 billion, the death of 533,458 isn't a large percentage but it's still a tragedy. but that over 44 million people required in-patient care is more interesting. That's putting a great strain on the system of medical care.

A friend of mine developed pneumonia, was taken to hospital and ended up dying on a gurney in a hospital corridor. The reason was simply that all of the critical care and respiratory ward beds were full. Obviously not all those beds were COVID victims but it significantly increased the pressure on one specific field of medicine. Their is no value in putting someone suffering respiratory distress onto a general ward, especially if they can then infect others who are already ill.

I am not suggesting that my single example is of any statistical value, but I know that health authorities sought to 'flatten the curve' i.e. to avoid a situation in which figures spike thus overwhelming the medical system. His name wouldn't be on any statistic but I suggest that indirectly COVID was the likely cause of his death.

So I assert that the Indian figures that state that COVID was the cause of death it merely a floor value. Indian people living in remote regions often had no access to appropriate medical care and in the case of deaths, the death certificate wouldn't mention COVID. Even testing wasn't widely available for the first year.

The WHO figures estimate that COVID was the direct cause of death of 4.7 million Indians. Some sources provide higher figures but the WHO does detail exactly how they calculated the estimate. But again, they point to those values representing a floor i.e. when a comorbidity was involved, they didn't include it in their figures.

What I found ironic was that I was struck down by hypokalemia, rushed to hospital and placed in a neurology ward (since general paralysis was the cardinal symptom) on the same day as my friend. Once diagnosed, essentially any general ward could have treated my condition equally well, it required no specialist equipment

Finally I would like to address the point that India is a huge nation and COVID did not affect each state in the same way. Some states had recorded cases two orders of magnitude higher than some other states. But in India, it's just not possible to evacuate someone with severe COVID symptoms to another state to reduce the load on the local medical system.

But I invite people to read the WHO data. It only details figures up to July 2022 (because proper data collection and analysis is a slow process if you seek a usable and as practically accurate figure possible)..

India Situation Report

www.who.int

By all means fell free to disagree with any or all of what I say and interrogate any fact I assert. I didn't simply believe one data point nor mistake deaths directly attributed to COVID with deaths in which COVID can be considered as being a significant factor. It was proportionally elderly people who died and comorbidities would likely be the rule rather than the exception. Maybe 4.7 million still isn't a huge percentage, it's only one in three hundred people on average. But as stated, the deviation from that average was large.

 

[-=SS=-]

So I assert that the Indian figures that state that COVID was the cause of death it merely a floor value. Indian people living in remote regions often had no access to appropriate medical care and in the case of deaths, the death certificate wouldn't mention COVID. Even testing wasn't widely available for the first year.

My point wasn't in relation to remote regions though but the super dense urban environments, where pollution and poverty are at their peak, and where the impact should be the most obvious to discern.

In a nation of 1.4 billion, 533,458 die isn't a large percentage but it's still a tragedy.

It's not even half of 1%. It just does not compute. Super dense, poverty polluted stricken cities, with inadequate health services, should have been an absolute disaster according the official narrative. It would have been self evident. Or are we now going to acknowledge the Chinese videos of people falling in the streets was complete bullshit? You can't have it both ways.

 

[December Flower]

Haha. Right. So lockdown is effective against Influenza, but not against SARS-NCov2. Remind me again, what are both of these classified as? Oh yes, respiratory illnesses! Both of which have the same vector of transmission and high degree of transmissibility.

Never sanitized. Picked my nose, rubbed my eyeballs. And that's after having just touched shopping trolleys. Hugged and was in close proximity to my friend who works in a school with known cases all throughout. And guess what? Didn't get it once. And neither did my elderly parents (or his parents) who I live with so don't give me that asymptomatic bullshit either.

You're just pulling excuses out to rationalize away what is self evident. Both are highly contagious respiratory pathogens, supposedly. There is no way you can square the circle. Influenza should not have dropped to less than 1% globally while covid did not, given both pathogens share so much in common. The idea that one would drop out of existence is just bonkers. Viruses are, supposedly, non-living entities, they don't compete and have no mechanism to outcompete. The distribution of both should have been... distributed.


It's hilarious. That after 4 years you continue to paint this thing as if it were fucking Ebola on steroids.

If that were actually true, then you should have a credible explanation for why the Indian sub-continent is not in ruins. 1 billion people, most living at or below the poverty line, many living in literal slum conditions with shit everywhere and corpses floating in the rivers which they in turn bathe in. Obscene pollution. Poor diets. Some of the most densely populated cities in the world. And yet, India is not in ruins. A supposedly novel pathogen with extraordinary transmissibility and (supposedly) deadly, should have ripped through such an environment in no time and left destruction in its wake. But it didn't. There wasn't mass outbreaks of illness or death on the scale which should have taken place if what was claimed about the virus were actually true.

Hey just being polite and telling you: Im not reading that. And no future essays of yours either, at least in this thread.

Don't bother.
You're writing things that just don't fit with my experience at work. We did have Influenza in 2021, and a mix of Influenza and Corona a little later. No credible doctor/virologist ever claimed Influenza is gone. Yes your little gossip rag the Scientific American talked a lot about it. Those guys also find the cure for cancer every other week. It's a MAGAZINE. Those people are not necessarily Doctors, maybe Doctors in Literature some of them. They write a lot of sensationalist crap about current issues in medicine.

Honestly, and I have to be brutally honest here: I just don't care about your non-professional opinion. You are not a doctor. You are not a therapist. You are not a virologist. Ur a keyboard warrior with too much free time. Why the fuck would i listen to internet conspiracy nonsense from some ignorant jobbernowl that literally believed Influenza disappeared because the data only went til 2021? I mean with all respect, HOW am I supposed to even take you seriously? I'm thinking schizophrenia or meth-psychosis, to be frank. I can't even take you for full when you keep spouting this nonsense, as if I hadn't poked a 100 holes into your logic, and you just go on and on and on as if your argument wasn't leaking from every end. Where is your factual proof? And stop fucking sending articles from 2021 Jesus Christ.

We missed a flu season, big fucking deal. Influenza is long back(and started again exactly to the month when lockdown ended, that's ofc a coincidence in your eyes. Seems like the real world doesn't play a role in your eyes either. No, Influenza is gone. Lockdown did NOTHING to prevent it. Oh and all people from India are poor, sure. Fucking smoron. India is the 5th richest country on the planet, you fucking imbecile. And their Corona measurements were great, you fucking racist piece of garbage. Sorry. Also are you actually that stupid, that you think Influenza takes any hold in a country as hot as India? Influenza needs cold, wtf, are you actually that dumb? Are you actually on that level of mental ability? Am I talking to a fucking toddler? Have you SEEN INFLUENZA IN AUGUST, Einstein?! Honestly, just trying to reconstruct your "thought" process hurts.)
Influenza was also around back in 2021 - yeah it was mostly around in hospitals and in old folks homes, but when ppl got it, doctors would still diagnose Corona, because the 15 minute tests show positive for Corona even if you just have the flu. And since there was no patient evaluation without a Corona test: guess what everyone's diagnosis was? I even had a positive Rona test for my amygdalitis, and only the PCR proved that I didn't have Corona.

It's just the PCR test that knows the difference between Rona and Influenza. All other tests show positive for both Corona and Influenza, hence - yes there was no more Influenza in that sense - as everyone with a positive test got the Corona diagnosis. Was that done so people would take Corona more seriously? No. We're normal, 0815 people who work in medicine, we're not a giant secretive conglomerate that carefully planned this out. We tested our peeps, tests showed positive: marked them as Corona cases. COULD they have had influenza? Absolutely. Did we diagnose them as Corona? Fuck yes. Everyone was scared of it, so better to be safe, anyways.

I hope one day you will understand that there are very factual reasons why the Influenza numbers were so low.
And look at now: We have both Corona AND Influenza. Aren't you happy? Where did the Influenza go? Where is it? Tell me.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm still waiting for the 3 vaccines I had to kill me.

 

[December Flower]

I'm still waiting for the 3 vaccines I had to kill me.

srsly.

honestly if I had 10 bucks for everyone with 0 medicine knowledge trying to explain to me how the world works.
do these people not know how much time goes into studying medicine or becoming a therapist?
barely understand the word "gastro" but feel like they can lecture me, with some self-absorbed assholes trying to con idiots on the internet, usually.

And then they use logic like our SS(btw, disgusting name) "INDIA SHOULD HAVE LOTS OF INFLUENZA CUZ THEY'RE POOR".
Hard to type that without laughing
a) india is rich af
b) india is MUCH too hot for Influenza you idiot
c) India had better Corona measurements than the US

so where is the mind-control from the vaccine? Where is the death switch? Where is the sterilization? Just got a girl pregnant, the fuck?!

I think people just don't read what they write, or think about what they say.
They are often so emotionally invested, that they have no objective ground anymore.

 

[-=SS=-]

As I already stated, the Scientific American was one of many publications/data sources that all said the same thing and showed the same. This isn't Reddit, you don't get to be hung up about a particular source not fitting your criteria when all the other sources say the same.. it's irrelevant which I picked, I only picked that because it was first.

Both the WHO and OurWorldInData (as posted) clearly show that from 2020 to the end of 2021 Influenza rates were less than 1%.

Influenza was also around back in 2021 - yeah it was mostly around in hospitals and in old folks homes, but when ppl got it, doctors would still diagnose Corona, because the 15 minute tests show positive for Corona even if you just have the flu. And since there was no patient evaluation without a Corona test: guess what everyone's diagnosis was? I even had a positive Rona test for my amygdalitis, and only the PCR proved that I didn't have Corona.

Right, so now you're openly admitting that the testing procedure is in fact complete bollocks. Well done. Now extrapolate that out across the entire medical profession and going back through to the beginning. It's not difficult to understand that if the testing procedure implementation (and the the procedure itself) are complete bollocks then the definition of a pandemic is not even met, and that is is on paper only (which it was).

You're making excuse after excuse. Anyone with half a brain knows damn well why they utilized 'deaths within 28 days from a positive test'. Even the BBC had that disclaimer in small writing at the bottom of the screen on the initial hysteria presentations - the only reason they did that of course, is to cover their arses from future liability.

Honestly, and I have to be brutally honest here: I just don't care about your non-professional opinion. You are not a doctor. You are not a therapist. You are not a virologist. Ur a keyboard warrior with too much free time. Why the fuck would i listen to internet conspiracy nonsense from some ignorant jobbernowl that literally believed Influenza disappeared because the data only went til 2021?

You're misrepresenting my position and you know it. I never said influenza disappeared, literally disappeared, but for all intents and purposes it did. Less than 1% global rate for that time period is unheard of when every year (including Summer) it has always been greater than 5%.

Your adherence to your profession is nothing more than cognitive dissonance and an attempt to hide behind prestige at this point. Everyone who isn't morally bankrupt knows what the score is.

Fauci is a professional, more than you will ever be. And he's completely fucking deranged. Your professional designation means nothing.

 

[AlsoTapered]

My point wasn't in relation to remote regions though but the super dense urban environments, where pollution and poverty are at their peak, and where the impact should be the most obvious to discern.

It's not even half of 1%. It just does not compute. Super dense, poverty polluted stricken cities, with inadequate health services, should have been an absolute disaster according the official narrative. It would have been self evident. Or are we now going to acknowledge the Chinese videos of people falling in the streets was complete bullshit? You can't have it both ways.

I VERY carefully pointed out that their were orders of magnitude between the highest and lowest rates of COVID between Indian states. Please tell me if you suffer with dyscalculia. I don't judge people on things like that. By orders of magnitude I mean that in some states their were over ten times more COVID deaths than in other states. Ten being ONE magnitude. So when I use the plural i.e. 'magnitudes', I mean over one hundred times more deaths. Those are of course deaths recorded as COVID. The lower numbers may be simple lack of reporting. Again, it's always a floor value but in some areas it really was killing a much higher proportion of the population than the overall figure suggests.

Their are MANY respiratory conditions that require hospitalization but if a COVID spike sees the medical system overwhelmed, people who otherwise might well have been saved also died. So you cannot just count the number of death certificates with the word COVID listed as cause of death. Likely anyone requiring ventilation during the COVID spike also died but indirectly from COVID.

BTW Scientific American? You honestly consider that a good source to cite. It's not, I'm afraid. Popular media is not regarded as a reliable source. If I tried to use it in a paper, the reviewer would point it out and ask for the citations the article used (at least) or just reject my work outright. Real science is hard because it demands high quality evidence. OK, I will have to simplify even further since you don't even know what any scientist would regard as a reliable source. I do apologise, I had presumed you had at least some further education in a science.

I provided the data, go look it up. Disagree with my findings - but do me the courtesy of reading it. I put in a lot of effort to ensure I was informed.

Yes, it's VERY bulky and VERY boring to read - but I'm afraid that is what 99% of science is like. Very carefully reading all the data, understanding all of the limitations of the data and carefully finding the evidence that the data provides. Often it's tiny amounts. But if I was willing to spend 3 days reading the WHO data, I feel it unlikely that someone can refute it within minutes IF they have actually read it all. I mean, if you had for some reason read it at some earlier point then all I can say is that we obviously took away quite different findings. But I can defend my own findings. I don't mean that as a combative term. In higher education and when submitting to journals, one is expected to defend one's findings. It's just part of the system.

 

[December Flower]

As I already stated, the Scientific American was one of many publications/data sources that all said the same thing and showed the same. This isn't Reddit, you don't get to be hung up about a particular source not fitting your criteria when all the other sources say the same.. it's irrelevant which I picked, I only picked that because it was first.

Both the WHO and OurWorldInData (as posted) clearly show that from 2020 to the end of 2021 Influenza rates were less than 1%.

Right, so now you're openly admitting that the testing procedure is in fact complete bollocks. Well done. Now extrapolate that out across the entire medical profession and going back through to the beginning. It's not difficult to understand that if the testing procedure implementation (and the the procedure itself) are complete bollocks then the definition of a pandemic is not even met, and that is is on paper only (which it was).

You're making excuse after excuse. Anyone with half a brain knows damn well why they utilized 'deaths within 28 days from a positive test'. Even the BBC had that disclaimer in small writing at the bottom of the screen on the initial hysteria presentations - the only reason they did that of course, is to cover their arses from future liability.

You're misrepresenting my position and you know it. I never said influenza disappeared, literally disappeared, but for all intents and purposes it did. Less than 1% global rate for that time period is unheard of when every year (including Summer) it has always been greater than 5%.

Your adherence to your profession is nothing more than cognitive dissonance and an attempt to hide behind prestige at this point. Everyone who isn't morally bankrupt knows what the score is.

Fauci is a professional, more than you will ever be. And he's completely fucking deranged. Your professional designation means nothing.

So where is Influenza today? Everywhere. Alongside Corona. And our PCR tests now can differentiate between the two.

Yes, the 15 minute tests are 80% inaccurate, so if someone had a positive 15 minute test, we would do 2 or 3 tests, to be surer - then send them to a Doctor for a PCR. The PCR is 99% accurate.
And it was clear from the start that the 15 minute tests would only be a safety measurement, since you can't just take PCRs every day, they are fucking expensive. Still to confirm if one of my co-workers or I had Corona, we still had to do PCR tests at a Doctor (after multiple positive 15 minute tests taking samples from both nose and throat). We did not offer PCR tests ourselves, so ALL our patients would only get 15 minute tests, unless they or their health insurance paid for PCRs. We did one round of PCR tests, in 2020 I think, and that was the only time we could afford it, as we're a non-profit organization.

So for most people, you got a positive 15 minute test, you officially had Corona. Which didn't actually mean you had Corona, only that the test went positive - still always went towards the Corona statistics. The 15 minute test is VERY inaccurate, since it has never been updated, and it searches for markers from December 2019. It's also notorious for (even multiple) false positives, and a SHITLOAD of our PCRs came back negative. Officially, still a Corona case. Influenza was definitely LOW, but a lot of the 'Corona cases' were still actually Influenza cases, just a positive 15 minute test, so yes the numbers were there, they just went towards Corona - as well as actual Corona cases. Also they're both respiratory viruses, so it's kinda hard for Docs to diagnose. If nobody pays for a PCR, hard to really confirm anything, and then it just goes towards Corona because of the positive 15 minute test, and if it finally comes back negative: hard to confirm anything because the patient is already feeling better

Ofc the numbers were stacked towards Corona, especially because the tests went positive for Influenza as well. But that doesn't mean there was no Corona. You're telling me to ignore something I saw with my own eyes at work, saw people die from organ failure, that was nothing like Influenza. People still have lasting organ damage from Corona. Young people even. No fucking Influenza did that.

Nobody intentionally crossed out Influenza and wrote "Corona" in its place. The tests were shit and everybody knows. There was a lockdown going on. Everything was sanitized as fuck. 50-80%(depending on the country) were vaccinated against Influenza. There's so many reasons why this entire argument is just bullocks. The lasting to even permanent organ damage from Corona is significant. No fucking Influenza does that, other to maybe babies and 90+ year-olds.

You're asking me to ignore reality for some bullocks you read on the internet, or some guy with a stethoscope told you on the internet.
The internet is not reality. The internet is a cesspool of sensationalism & lies

 

[AlsoTapered]

@December Flower - Kind of worrying that someone would unironically cite a popular science magazine. I mean, get the citations, read the citations and understand the citations. No wrong in FINDING an item of scientific interest in a magazine... but magazines HAVE to appeal to a broad spectrum of readers with varying levels of technical experience... periodicals are NEVER read for fun. But they have a lot of nuance and a 1000 word article can't do that.

Indian scientists have published articles that just look at the data in a single city or region and some of them show the deviation. 1.2-1.3 deaths per 100 cases. Still seems low but that's per annum.

I think someone mentioned India's huge problem with air quality so it's hard to assign what factors result in a COVID related death.

There are also other details such as the average time someone made severely ill by COVID needs to be on a ventilator. 14.6 days (± 12 SD) (Range: 1–59 days) as it happens. It's interesting to compare that to other respiratory problems that require artificial respiration.

If you want to see a real train-wreck, look at Peru. They totally invested in hydroxychloroquine being as affective as a certain ex-US presidents said it was. Again, we only know the floor and not the true figure.

 

[December Flower]

@December Flower - Kind of worrying that someone would unironically cite a popular science magazine. I mean, get the citations, read the citations and understand the citations. No wrong in FINDING an item of scientific interest in a magazine... but magazines HAVE to appeal to a broad spectrum of users... periodicals are NEVER read for fun. But they have a lot of nuance and a 1000 word article can't do that.

Indian scientists have published articles that just look at the data in a single city or region and some of them show the deviation. 1.2-1.3 deaths per 100 cases. Still seems low but that's per annum.

I think someone mentioned India's huge problem with air quality so it's hard to assign what factors result in a COVID related death.

There are also other details such as the average time someone made severely ill by COVID needs to be on a ventilator. 14.6 days (± 12 SD) (Range: 1–59 days) as it happens. It's interesting to compare that to other respiratory problems that require artificial respiration.

If you want to see a real train-wreck, look at Peru. They totally invested in hydroxychloroquine being as affective as certain ex-US presidents said it was. Again, we only know the floor and not the true figure.

My point exactly. All science magazines and medical journals have to be sensationalist to some degree.

They cry wolf about some bull every other year.

That's why all news has to be sensationalist too. If it went: "Breaking News: a bag of rice fell over in China." who would read it?

 

[-=SS=-]

The fuck are you guys on, I clearly stated that I picked Scientific American because it was the simply the first resource of MANY resources all saying the same fucking thing. I'm not a subscriber or wedded to it for fucks sake. Get over it.

And beyond that and more to the point, this DATA shows what all those resources were vocalising. Neither of you have any retort for the actual fucking point.

Dude what the hell are you on. You can go to the WHO's own data sets on their website and see for yourself - unfortunately they break it down per country and not globally. However, this website uses the same data sets and does have a combined global rate data set:

Monthly share of influenza tests that were positive - OurWorldInData

You can clearly see that from April 1st 2020 to October 1st 2021 Influenza positives, globally, for all strains, were essentially zero (<1%). Every year going back to 2009 the rate was at least 5% in JUNE. In SUMMER. Yet in 2020 and 2021 it was <1%.

"Influenza has always had dips and spikes" does not square that fucking circle. End of story. You are refusing to see what is self evident in the data, again clearly and publicly available on the WHO's own website, and that is that influenza for all intents and purposes vanished from 2020 to the end of 2021. The notion that covid somehow displaced an equally contagious respiratory pathogen, that shares the same vector and transmissibility, for a year and half is. Flat. Out. Delusional.

You can post stupid condescending nonsense about pirates and global warming all you like, the truth is self evident to those who don't have vested interests or their heads stuck up their arses. You expect me and the public to adopt a schizophrenic approach to science and choose to ignore something when it doesn't suit a particular narrative. Sorry, but that doesn't cut the mustard when the official data is completely incongruent with the official narrative on respiratory pathogen behaviour.

 

[AlsoTapered]

My point exactly. All science magazines and medical journals have to be sensationalist to some degree.

They cry wolf about some bull every other year.

That's why all news has to be sensationalist too. If it went: "Breaking News: a bag of rice fell over in China." who would read it?

Yeah - if we believed how many times the media said we had cured cancer...

When a paper says that a novel drug/treatment killed cancer cells in a Petri dish, I am reminded that so does a hand gun.

 

[AlsoTapered]

The fuck are you guys on,

An ad hominem attack - a VITAL element of pseudoscience. When you can't argue the fact, discredit the person presenting the fact. As I previously pointed out (with graphic). FLICC abounds.

I fear we are about to prove Godwin's law... AGAIN.

 

[December Flower]

The fuck are you guys on, I clearly stated that I picked Scientific American because it was the simply the first resource of MANY resources all saying the same fucking thing. I'm not a subscriber or wedded to it for fucks sake. Get over it.

And beyond that and more to the point, this DATA shows what all those resources were vocalising. Neither of you have any retort for the actual fucking point.

Kiddo, nobody is saying anything against the data.

I gave you countless reasons why the I N T E R P R E T A T I O N of the data is false, and why Influenza cases went towards Corona (in addition to it being a very weak Influenza season), but that just doesn't fit in your noggin. Influenza really started rolling again when lockdown ended, that is an undeniable fact. How do you explain that?

Also all your papers are from 2021. Are you a time traveller? We live in 2024. Influenza is long undeniably back, and it's ALONGSIDE Corona.

Jesus Christ do you wanna win so bad?

You speak of "devotion" to my job holding me from believing your BS. How about seeing people die from it? How about people who still have organ failures from Corona? Should I just tell patients: "I'm sorry, but there is no Corona. It's actually just Influenza with a Hat. You also don't have lasting organ damage because influenza doesn't do that, so stop wheezing like a pussy and get the fuck off my station!"

 

[AlsoTapered]

. It's actually just Influenza with a Hat.

1 hosted at ImgBB

Image 1 hosted in ImgBB

ibb.co

Indeed - just for the record, here is a picture of influenza with a hat on.

I know... passport photographs are so rarely flattering...

 

[December Flower]

1 hosted at ImgBB

Image 1 hosted in ImgBB

ibb.co

Indeed - just for the record, here is a picture of influenza with a hat on.

I know... passport photographs are so rarely flattering...

 

[-=SS=-]

An ad hominem attack - a VITAL element of pseudoscience. When you can't argue the fact, discredit the person presenting the fact. As I previously pointed out (with graphic). FLICC abounds.

Neither of you have addressed the actual point I made. You want to focus on the fact I selected Scientific American rather than the actual DATA that the article alludes to.

I'll say it again. What is your credible explanation for WHY the influenza rate went to below <1% for the entire planet between early 2020 and late 2021, while taking into account that both influenza and coronaviruses are respiratory pathogens with the same transmission vector and same degree of transmissibility.

Or are you going to ignore the point, like you ignored my repeated question in that other thread about Jill Dando and your 'GBNews' assertion you made against me?

 

[PtahTek]

Just checking in still around after 3 jabs.
Wondering if something is coming down the road surely I will notice it.
Rat inda cage

Peace

 

[Juicewrldfan]

Maybe, and this is just a theory. but COVID is real and vaccines reduce mortality.

So people who refuse vaccines die in increased numbers - thus inability to understand science or just being pig-headed is JUST Darwinian theory in action. The less able to adapt die.

I don't see ANY meta-analysis (and their are many) in which unvaccinated people had better outcomes (when adjusted for age, preexisting health condition and so on).

Maybe it's an actual virus and was man-made to kill 'goats'?

All I know is Argentina was the ONLY nation to go with chloroquinone... and is also the nation with the highest per capita death toll in spite of NO vaccines being used.

I guess my concern isn’t whether they help fight off the infection. They very much so do. But my concern is the overall safety of them long term. I don’t know much but I heard something about it mutating out RNA or something idk.

 

[AlsoTapered]

I'll say it again. What is your credible explanation for WHY the influenza rate went to below <1% for the entire planet between early 2020 and late 2021, while taking into account that both influenza and coronaviruses are respiratory pathogens with the same transmission vector and same degree of transmissibility.

Hitchen's razor again.

If YOU assert a fact, YOU have to provide the evidence, not someone else. Popular magazines aimed at the general public are considered low quality evidence. Find the citations the magazine used. Read all of those citations. Provide us with those citations so we can also read them.

I note that when presented with evidence provided by others, you don't address said data. Never emotionally invest in a belief. The foundation of science is skepticism. Something has to be proven to be true and that requires a very large weight of evidence. Over my lifetime science has changed beyond all recognition with a few quite fundamental facts I was taught at university now proven to be incorrect. But that's how science works. It's constantly being supplanted by better science. It is imperfect but represents our best efforts to arrive at the truth (I am aware that the word is subject to various epistemological interpretations but I'm not about to seek for a less emotive synonym).