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War is messy and sadly kids get killed. I wish the world could just get along.
Not on this scale.
And if it was just a simple case of they were caught up in war then why when areas are cleared of hammas and literally everyone is dead or have fled why are they destroying all buildings and infrastructure?
They are intentionally causing a humanitarian disaster which will only affect the citizens.

Even America didn’t do that in Iraq or Afghanistan.

The whole world is corrupt and these things just prove it
 
@Soso78 The world is corrupt but one religion in particular needs to get out of the stone ages. I don't understand why people support people who wish them death . Maybe if you were gay or a woman you would see terrorist like Hamas for what they truly are. They don't want peace. They want to kill people for loving someone of the same sex. They want women to have no human rights. I don't see Jewish people throwing people off buildings or stoning women to death. They are terrorist who use their own people, women and children included as human shields. IDF don't do that

No one in war is doing good things but these terrorist do some pretty nasty sht to their own people. Israel has tried for decades to live peacefully aside them but they don't want that, they want Jew's dead.
 
@Soso78 The world is corrupt but one religion in particular needs to get out of the stone ages. I don't understand why people support people who wish them death . Maybe if you were gay or a woman you would see terrorist like Hamas for what they truly are. They don't want peace. They want to kill people for loving someone of the same sex. They want women to have no human rights. I don't see Jewish people throwing people off buildings or stoning women to death. They are terrorist who use their own people, women and children included as human shields. IDF don't do that

No one in war is doing good things but these terrorist do some pretty nasty sht to their own people. Israel has tried for decades to live peacefully aside them but they don't want that, they want Jew's dead.
I see hammas for what they truly are.
I see Israel for what it truly is too
 
people support people who wish them death .
because i believe in the right to free speech.

i also don't wish nonviolent white supremacists to have human rights violations perpetrated against them.

(inb4, i'm not talking about hamas, so nice try on the fallacious stuff)
 
War is messy
i'm not sure you know about it, but after the holocaust we made these certain agreements... that define and set punishments and responsibilities for war crimes.

war doesn't need to include war crimes.

i also don't want war, and i also want international law to be enforced.
 

"ohhh no! a dude threw an empty cup!

oh my goodness, a skinny kid with a fro and a kn94 mask is slowly climbing a fence!"

"holy shit, this is worse than when they beat cops on january 6th when they tried to overturn a duly held election!!!"
 
Related, so I'll post it here. If they aren't stopped I don't see how it doesn't cause inflation from cargo ships avoiding that area

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What is the article telling? It just asks me to make damn account. Is there any sensible argumentation as to why calling jewish state genocidal is somehow bad, other than because it is jewish state and OBVIOUSLY no one who has faced genocide is able to do genocide? (while psychology research could easily tell us that violence often makes the victim more prone to violence too)

While we are talking about this, I could further argument for the claim that many people in Israel are committing genocide against palestinian people. I actually investigated the definition of genocide a bit when it was announced that there could not possibly be genocide happening, because gaza has experienced population growth over the years.

Experts don't seem to be agreeing that there is one good strict definition for genocide. It has been repeatedly stated that the word should be used and interpreted taking context and zeitgeist into account.

Over these 176 pages I have referred multiple sources that imply many people of Israel are deliberately making lives of palestinians extra difficult and often killing them also without context of immediate self-defence. Hate speech and condescending attitude towards palestinians has also been expressed multiple times, both by civilians and politicians. This could be perceived as destroying culture. From this perspective also, I consider it completely reasonable and meaningful to consider genocide is being committed against palestinians.
 
France Rejects Genocide Accusations Against Israel in Gaza
“To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold,” France’s foreign minister said on Wednesday.
France on Wednesday became the latest Western country to reject accusations that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinian civilians in Gaza, a charge that was recently brought before a United Nations court in The Hague.
Stéphane Séjourné, France’s newly appointed foreign minister, told lawmakers in France’s lower house of Parliament that “the rule of law applies to all, and systematic strikes in Gaza must cease.”
But, Mr. Séjourné added, “words have meaning.”
“To accuse the Jewish state of genocide is to cross a moral threshold,” he said. “The notion of genocide cannot be exploited for political ends. This has always been our position.”
Israel is facing the charge of genocide at the International Court of Justice, where South Africa has brought a case arguing that Israel “means to create conditions of death” in Gaza and demanding that the court order an emergency suspension of the military campaign there. The Israeli authorities deny the accusation.
South Africa has won praise at home and from other countries for challenging what they see as a Western-led global order that is biased toward Israel.
The United States has called the case meritless, and several European countries have rejected it too. Germany, which intervened in the case as a third party in Israel’s favor, said that there is “no basis whatsoever” to South Africa’s claim. Israel was founded in the aftermath of the Nazi-led genocide of European Jewry, and Germany has rooted much of its post-Holocaust identity in the idea of supporting the Jewish state.
President Emmanuel Macron of France did not mention South Africa’s case during a wide-ranging news conference on Tuesday, but he said that “all lives are equal” and that many in France were “shaken” by the plight of civilians in Gaza.
“The priority is the cease-fire,” said Mr. Macron, blaming Hamas for using civilian as “shields” and saying Israel had the right to defend itself. But he argued that Israel should follow humanitarian law by prioritizing “targeted operations” over broad bombardments.
“And I say this because it is also in Israel’s long-term security interests,” he said. “Continuing operations the way they are currently being carried out is to take a risk — including in the long-term, given the impact it is having in the whole region — for the very security of Israel.”
France, home to some of Europe’s largest Jewish and Muslim communities, has seen fierce debates over the conflict in Gaza, including within its top diplomatic ranks. In November, a dozen French ambassadors in Middle East and North Africa countries expressed unease over Macron’s perceived pro-Israeli stance.
Mr. Séjourné’s comments on Wednesday came in response to a question from Danièle Obono, a lawmaker for the leftist France Unbowed party who argued that “if it wants to be consistent with its values, France must urgently follow South Africa’s lead.”
“History is watching us, and it won’t be kind to those who knew and did nothing,” she said.
Mr. Séjourné shot back that “we don’t need any lessons from your party,” as France Unbowed has faced intense criticism for refusing to call Hamas a terrorist group. “That’s the scandal, Ms. Obono,” he said.
Aurelien Breeden is a reporter for The Times in Paris, covering news from France. More about Aurelien Breeden
 
very interesting.

"Arab nations develop plan to end Israel-Hamas war and create Palestinian state

Arab states are working on an initiative to secure a ceasefire and the release of hostages in Gaza as part of a broader plan that could offer Israel a normalisation of relations if it agrees to “irreversible” steps towards the creation of a Palestinian state.

A senior Arab official said they hoped to present the plan — which could include the prize of Saudi Arabia formalising ties with Israel — within a few weeks in an effort to end the Israel-Hamas war and prevent a wider conflict erupting in the Middle East.

Arab officials have discussed the plan with the US and European governments. It would include western nations agreeing to formally recognise a Palestinian state, or supporting the Palestinians being granted full membership of the UN.

“The real issue is you need hope for Palestinians, it can’t just be economic benefits or removal of symbols of occupation,” the senior official said.

The initiative comes as Israel faces mounting international pressure to end its offensive in besieged Gaza, with the US stepping up diplomatic efforts to prevent a broader conflagration and pushing for a longer-term resolution to the protracted Israeli-Palestinian conflict.US secretary of state Antony Blinken on Wednesday described the war in Gaza as “gut-wrenching”, adding that what was needed was a Palestinian state “that gives people what they want and works with Israel to be effective”.
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alasdair
 
very interesting.

"Arab nations develop plan to end Israel-Hamas war and create Palestinian state

Arab states are working on an initiative to secure a ceasefire and the release of hostages in Gaza as part of a broader plan that could offer Israel a normalisation of relations if it agrees to “irreversible” steps towards the creation of a Palestinian state.

A senior Arab official said they hoped to present the plan — which could include the prize of Saudi Arabia formalising ties with Israel — within a few weeks in an effort to end the Israel-Hamas war and prevent a wider conflict erupting in the Middle East.

Arab officials have discussed the plan with the US and European governments. It would include western nations agreeing to formally recognise a Palestinian state, or supporting the Palestinians being granted full membership of the UN.

“The real issue is you need hope for Palestinians, it can’t just be economic benefits or removal of symbols of occupation,” the senior official said.

The initiative comes as Israel faces mounting international pressure to end its offensive in besieged Gaza, with the US stepping up diplomatic efforts to prevent a broader conflagration and pushing for a longer-term resolution to the protracted Israeli-Palestinian conflict.US secretary of state Antony Blinken on Wednesday described the war in Gaza as “gut-wrenching”, adding that what was needed was a Palestinian state “that gives people what they want and works with Israel to be effective”.
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alasdair

It is all quite crazy watching it play out in real time. I would have never of thought this deal was possible. I doubt Israel will be too keen to accept it. But imagine they do? Surely that brings severe consequences for British/US interests? Then if they don't, will the same Arab nations who offered this deal be displeased? And what will the consequences of that be?

Also... loosley related to this thread, but I saw on the news 1hr ago Russia has just entered the Red Sea, in support of the Houthi rebels.

Seems like tension worldwide is the highest it's ever been, in my lifetime anyway.
 
Watch it end up with Israel getting Gaza and Europe and the U.S. getting millions of Palestinians that'll bring their religious/blood fueds with them
 
Watch it end up with Israel getting Gaza and Europe and the U.S. getting millions of Palestinians that'll bring their religious/blood fueds with them

That seems almost like what we are hoping for. Like i'm personally not for killing off any entire race of people. But i do believe our cultures are vastly different and bringing all these people to the West will likely cause mayhem with the complete clash of cultures. It's a no win situation really alot of what's going on at the minute.
 
Oh, are posts are getting deleted. Good thing I've got screenshots.

When Tyranny calls, take it down.

And I know that's what scares them most.
 
Oh, are posts are getting deleted. Good thing I've got screenshots.

When Tyranny calls, take it down.

And I know that's what scares them most.

Screenshot away. They were deleted because they are completely off topic to the subject of the conflict in Israel. There are guidelines here that are meant to be pretty strict. I would encourage anyone interested to read them.
 
When u back the murder of thousands of civilians I think it fair to expect retaliation.
Precisely why Israel are doing what they are doing. It's strategic retaliation again a terrorist death cult. Not sure how people can sit with the cognitive dissonance of charitably excusing Islamic terrorists while denying Israels/the Jews right to defend themselves, but with some people it's just flat out bigotry against Jews.
 
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