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Mjäll said:
Religion is not okay.
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i agree, but i also agree they have the right to be religious... just so long as it doesn't incur against MY rights or human rights in general.

and i hope you aren't accusing me of saying hamas is right. cause i have never said that, nor do i think that.

palestinians aren't one and the same with hamas, just like israel are not the worldwide representatives of all jews.

this might have a lot to do with religion (zionism is radioactive sludge), but to be clear: it is a heavily militarized state against a marginalized people. religion aside.
 
Imagine your last moments on earth plummeting to the ground, pushed off a tall building by a thug in the name of God. All because you're gay,
 
nepalnt21 said:
i agree, but i also agree they have the right to be religious... just so long as it doesn't incur against MY rights or human rights in general.

and i hope you aren't accusing me of saying hamas is right. cause i have never said that, nor do i think that.

palestinians aren't one and the same with hamas, just like israel are not the worldwide representatives of all jews.

this might have a lot to do with religion (zionism is radioactive sludge), but to be clear: it is a heavily militarized state against a marginalized people. religion aside.
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Yeah sure they have that right but we're being naive across the board regarding the dangers of religion. One of the instances where this becomes evident is when many secular westerners takes to siding with either team in this conflict. It's a clear symptom of not understanding the gravity of religious misery and its petrifying effect on human thought and emotion.

No why would i think that you're siding with Hamas?

I do understand the marginalized people angle. I've argued it myself. But would never side with Palestine. I just agree about the other team being wrong... ;)
 
Mjäll said:
The obvious truth is that none of the sides in this dumb religious conflict is right, and it's deeply saddening that so few western people have retained the intellectual clarity to recognize such things.
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I don't really get what you're saying. I don't think religion is really motivating Israel in the slightest. They are, and have been for 75 years, fighting a war for survival. Despite what many apologists say, Hamas IS a religious organisation- their "ethics" are derived almost solely from Islam, the basis of their undying hatred for the Jews is derived from Islam, the way they governed Gaza was derived from Islam. Israel, while being known as the world's only Jewish state, is basically secular. It is a westernised political and social structure.

I understand that you don't want to take sides, and certainly, both sides here can be criticised. But that doesn't mean that both sides are equally wrong. Waging war against a group that attacks you is murky territory because war forces even the most noble to compromise their ethics, but I would argue that NOT waging war against an existential threat like Hamas is its own form of immorality.
 
I think as times gone on there is just no good outcome here. Only more death to come.

Houthis attacking American and British ships. Then we retaliate. But if we don't do anything access to the Red Sea is lost, then we likely experience large droughts of goods coming from the East, in Europe and the Americas. Yet if we do retaliate it likely ends in all out war...

Seems likely there will be no winners here.
 
When u back the murder of thousands of civilians I think it fair to expect retaliation.
 
Soso78 said:
When u back the murder of thousands of civilians I think it fair to expect retaliation.
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I've already expressed sentiments thoughout this thread that I don't think it's right what Israel is doing. I also don't agree with Hamas either. I feel sympathy for the regular people who don't support either, and have suffered from the violence, on either side.

Where are you from? If it's anywhere in the West, then what I've said there will be relevant to you.

It's not as simple as just picking a side you morally agree with. Both have committed wrong doings. And either one winning will have big implications on the balance of power between East and West.
 
I’m from uk and have no problem with Jewish people or Muslims.
If it was hammas and idf being killed I couldn’t care less the more the better imo.
Don’t think anyone would be that bothered. But when civilians are being killed on mass and whole civilian areas being flattened it’s just not right regardless of anything else.
 
Soso78 said:
Are Jews gay friendly? Or same as Muslims?
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No religion is 100% accepting across the board but most of them have stopped killing us.
There is no doubt that Judaism and Christianity are far more tolerant than Islam.
That's partly why you see growing right wing support for Palestine in the West.
 
mal3volent said:
No religion is 100% accepting across the board but most of them have stopped killing us.
There is no doubt that Judaism and Christianity are far more tolerant than Islam.
That's partly why you see growing right wing support for Palestine in the West.
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Ye loads of vicars noncing choir boys so they prob ok with it.
There’s gay and there’s gay, for example, George Michael… sound
Sam smith… wtf 🤣
Think I’d throw that cunt off a roof myself
 
Soso78 said:
Ye loads of vicars noncing choir boys so they prob ok with it.
There’s gay and there’s gay, for example, George Michael… sound
Sam smith… wtf 🤣
Think I’d throw that cunt off a roof myself
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Pedophilia is rampant across all religions and society in general. You won't hear me arguing with you there. However, only one religion's prophet married a 7 year old and raped her when she was 9.
 
mal3volent said:
Pedophilia is rampant across all religions and society in general. You won't hear me arguing with you there. However, only one religion's prophet married a 7 year old and raped her when she was 9.
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Islam is going to take over the world eventually.
Huge parts of the uk are basically Muslim only areas. I got branded racist on here discussing it in the past. It’s just fact. If things carry on the way they are the west is fucked
 
Soso78 said:
Are Jews gay friendly? Or same as Muslims?
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A gay jewish couple live a few doors down from me. Like most religions there's people who hate gay folk for no good reason but only 1 that actually kill them.
Why are you supporting people who want you dead for not joining their backwards way of thinking?
 
Jen said:
A gay jewish couple live a few doors down from me. Like most religions there's people who hate gay folk for no good reason but only 1 that actually kill them.
Why are you supporting people who want you dead for not joining their backwards way of thinking?
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Because kids shouldn’t be getting killed no matter what.
I don’t support Islam at all. I see all religions as being retarded. The more religious the more retarded.
It’s strange that they are against homosexuality but it’s well known they nonce little boys.
 
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