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In some other vaguely related news:

There is an actual ethnic cleansing going on in Sudan as people are fleeing from a paramilitary group that is going around and murdering all non-Arab people.

The UN refugee agency says "an unimaginable" humanitarian crisis is unfolding in Sudan. Nearly six million people have been forced from their homes since the war began. Six Million!

There are going to be massive on-campus protests? Right? Right?

 
In some other vaguely related news:

There is an actual ethnic cleansing going on in Sudan as people are fleeing a paramilitary group that is going around and murdering all non-Arab people.

The UN refugee agency says "an unimaginable" humanitarian crisis is unfolding in Sudan. Nearly six million people have been forced from their homes since the war began. Six Million!

There are going to be massive on-campus protests? Right? Right?

Six million you say?

Where have I heard that number before?
 
In some other vaguely related news:

There is an actual ethnic cleansing going on in Sudan as people are fleeing from a paramilitary group that is going around and murdering all non-Arab people.

The UN refugee agency says "an unimaginable" humanitarian crisis is unfolding in Sudan. Nearly six million people have been forced from their homes since the war began. Six Million!

There are going to be massive on-campus protests? Right? Right?

The fact that so many Israelis have European blood at this point in history is a HUGE part of why this Anglocentric world has latched on to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Those six million dead in Sudan sadly have the wrong colored skin for the West to be gung ho about supporting them.
 
the very very large majority of Palestinians aren't massacring civilians and would just like to live a normal life, what do you mean they need to do better.
I said "millions don't do this". But yeah, those that do, need to not.

Leftists what has been happening in the middle east for so many decades now and it's that when you start throwing bombs and really treating people like shit you'll get soo many more terrorists, this is just kind of proven.

Terrorism isn't a rational response to whatever you're imagining here. It's a direct outcome of religious beliefs. If you don't believe that, just listen to what jihadists actually say. Are they too simple to understand their own motivations? You get Islamic terrorism literally everywhere there is Islam, regardless of the conditions. Even after being welcomed into Europe over the last decade, there were multiple high casualty jihadist attacks there. These people literally fled their repressive countries like Syria where over 100,000 Muslims have been killed and the radicals among them started attacking their host nations. India have no great record of bombing Muslims or "treating them like shit" but have experienced awful Islamic massacres. Over the past half century, there have been over 50,000 Islamic terrorist attacks, mainly in Muslim majority countries. How do you explain that?

It does not distort causality, what distorts causality is saying "these people are crap (Islam?), they need to do better".
The people are not crap and if that's what you heard me saying, let me clear that up. Their religious ideas and the way they incentivise and reward violence and murder is crap and have been like that ever since Mohammed himself massacred and beheaded Jews and others who wouldn't willingly convert. It's a death cult and is the reason nearly every Muslim country are underdeveloped hellholes that the population flee as soon as they can.
 
The fact that so many Israelis have European blood at this point in history is a HUGE part of why this Anglocentric world has latched on to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Those six million dead in Sudan sadly have the wrong colored skin for the West to be gung ho about supporting them.
Likewise the only reason masses of westerners join mass protests against Israel, and not say Sudan or Syria or Saudi Arabia or Hamas, is because these people hate the Jews in particular. They dont care about Palestinians. It's antisemitism and the protestors and apologists here should know precisely the answer to the question of what you'd have done had you been in Germany during the Holocaust.
 
The fact that so many Israelis have European blood at this point in history is a HUGE part of why this Anglocentric world has latched on to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Indeed, and Israel is actively trying to immerse themselves into European culture. They constantly put out both state sponsored and individual social media that is like "look how western our culture and lives are".

Those six million dead in Sudan sadly have the wrong colored skin for the West to be gung ho about supporting them.
Really sad and true. There is constant bloodshed, chaos, mass deaths and disease in Africa literally every single day in every country, but nobody in the western world is even aware of it, and tragically when stories like this do pop up on western news feeds people just glance over it.

Its almost if the only time they care is when one of the diseases like ebola has a chance of leaving Africa and effecting the more white areas of the world...
 
Likewise the only reason masses of westerners join mass protests against Israel, and not say Sudan or Syria or Saudi Arabia or Hamas, is because these people hate the Jews in particular. They dont care about Palestinians. It's antisemitism and the protestors and apologists here should know precisely the answer to the question of what you'd have done had you been in Germany during the Holocaust.
To an extent, indeed. I didn't explicitly say this, but it was part of my thoughts. The kneejerk reactionaries that are against the Anglocentricness of Earth have also latched on due to the hyperfixation on that sort of thing.

Going back to the Indigenous American analogy from a few pages back, however. Part of why it took so long for white men to NOT see Indigenous Americans as "savages" is because of the fact that extremist Natives did indiscriminately attack white people, regardless of whether they were a direct cause of Native plight or not. And likewise, people were quick to discount the black Civil Rights movement in America, because of the attention that the violent fringe of the movement was receiving. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater here. Palestinians IN GENERAL definitely have been unfairly discriminated against for a long time now.


"I don't favor violence. If we could bring about recognition and respect of our people by peaceful means, well and good. Everybody would like to reach his objectives peacefully. But I'm also a realist. The only people in this country who are asked to be nonviolent are black people.". - Malcom X

"If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad. If it is wrong to be violent defending black women and black children and black babies and black men, then it is wrong for America to draft us and make us violent abroad in defense of her. And if it is right for America to draft us, and teach us how to be violent in defense of her, then it is right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own people right here in this country." - Malcom X

"I myself would go for nonviolence if it was consistent, if everybody was going to be nonviolent all the time. I'd say, okay, let's get with it, we'll all be nonviolent. But I don't go along with any kind of nonviolence unless everybody's going to be nonviolent. If they make the Ku Klux Klan nonviolent, I'll be nonviolent. If they make the White Citizens Council nonviolent, I'll be nonviolent. But as long as you've got somebody else not being nonviolent, I don't want anybody coming to me talking any nonviolent talk." - Malcom X

"I don't mean go out and get violent; but at the same time you should never be nonviolent unless you run into some nonviolence. I'm nonviolent with those who are nonviolent with me. But when you drop that violence on me, then you've made me go insane, and I'm not responsible for what I do." - Malcom X

"They call me 'a teacher, a fomenter of violence.' I would say point blank, 'That is a lie. I'm not for wanton violence, I'm for justice.'" - Malcom X

Edit -- clearly I don't ultimately believe in Malcom X's words here, since I truly believe in those nonviolent decrees I posted above from the Sermon on the Mount. Just trying to demonstrate, tho, how someone could easily slip into this mindset. Malcom X was a brilliant man.
 
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i think you mean Iraq/Syria not Iran.

But yes, they are using people as human shields, then use collateral damage as propaganda that "jews bomb civilians"
Yea...anyone who uses the human shield act (especially children) has got to be the lowest form of pond scum on the planet. I don't preach religion, but whatever you dole out here on our planet is what you'll get in hell. Three times as bad. 24 hours a day, 365 a year and eternity.
 
Very informative video about the history and political legitimacy of Hamas. I thought they were a rogue terrorist group, I didn't realize they are the actual political leaders. Hamas was duly elected by the Gazan citizens in 2006 with 44% of the vote (Fatah got 41%), but have not held another election since then. Hamas politically controls Gaza, while Fatah controls the West Bank.

Gazans were coincidentally polled a week before the recent attack, and 33% of Gazans support Hamas as leaders, 44% do not trust Hamas, 23% are unsure of Hamas.

 
So does the health ministry who include them in their body counts as civilians.

Not one ounce of regret for the dead Israelis , not one ounce of criticism for Hamas...

pathetic
Just like there hasn't been an ounce of regret for a single dead Palestinian child over the past 80 years?

 
Terrorism isn't a rational response to whatever you're imagining here. It's a direct outcome of religious beliefs. If you don't believe that, just listen to what jihadists actually say. Are they too simple to understand their own motivations? You get Islamic terrorism literally everywhere there is Islam, regardless of the conditions. Even after being welcomed into Europe over the last decade, there were multiple high casualty jihadist attacks there. These people literally fled their repressive countries like Syria where over 100,000 Muslims have been killed and the radicals among them started attacking their host nations. India have no great record of bombing Muslims or "treating them like shit" but have experienced awful Islamic massacres. Over the past half century, there have been over 50,000 Islamic terrorist attacks, mainly in Muslim majority countries. How do you explain that?
I'm not saying that Islam doesn't have gigantic issues, obviously not ideal, but there are like 1 billion muslims, so it's reality and you make it work. It's like everyone should have a free license to kill, no strings attached. Not how things work.

I get where you're coming from and I agree to some extent, but people are dying needlessly and I don't distinguish based on faith. It's pretty proven that Israel does not care about the humanitarian circumstances at all. UN, WHO, multiple European prime ministers, so many screaming for a ceasefire. Even the US, has been putting immense pressure on Israel for just a couple of humanitarian pauses, it took ages and nothing..

The people are not crap and if that's what you heard me saying, let me clear that up. Their religious ideas and the way they incentivise and reward violence and murder is crap and have been like that ever since Mohammed himself massacred and beheaded Jews and others who wouldn't willingly convert. It's a death cult and is the reason nearly every Muslim country are underdeveloped hellholes that the population flee as soon as they can.
Ok, fine. But it is what is man, and when you bomb and kill, you get 10x more terrorists, whether you like it or not. All these kids now, no jobs, no prospects, houses gone.. can't go anywhere. It will happen, so you find solutions.

You make it sound like there's no other way, kill them all or oppress them so badly they can't do shit. Bleak stuff mate.
 
Likewise the only reason masses of westerners join mass protests against Israel, and not say Sudan or Syria or Saudi Arabia or Hamas, is because these people hate the Jews in particular. They dont care about Palestinians. It's antisemitism and the protestors and apologists here should know precisely the answer to the question of what you'd have done had you been in Germany during the Holocaust.
I've never heard anyone I know say anything bad about Jews in a serious manner, literally never. I don't know where you live but so many just see a tragedy in the making which is very in & constantly covered by media, no antisemitism.

My idiot liberal prime minister, probably eying a nice spot in the EU, or even NATO someday:

Is he an antisemitist? No of course not. Many share his view, and that's why they join.
 
My idiot liberal prime minister, probably eying a nice spot in the EU, or even NATO someday:
Tribe Red killer unloads 100 rounds into a crowd of civilians from Tribe Blue, but misses many shots and only kills 2 people.

As a response, the Tribe Blue killer unloads an equal 100 rounds into a crowd of Tribe Red, but is a good marksman and kills 20 people.

Disproportional? Or just better at killing people?
 
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